Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Phantom Captain, Mar 12, 2014.
Well, I can't very well argue with that kind of logic, both it is.
Unfortunately there is no "one size fits all" in hand guns so I'll have to shoot it to see if it fits for me. I tend to not like "snappy" pistols that make rapid follow ups difficult and generally the smaller the 9mm the less likely I am to get along with it.
I'm dying to shoot one but until then I'm gonna watch you guys who get them very closely and evaluate video as it comes available to see if the R51 might suit me.
The receiver block is very well lubed on all but the first few out the doors so check closely before shooting. Looks to be a lithium grease . I cleaned it out and re greased with a PRO-GOLD grease with some of that and a lub mix on the rail before shooting. The mag fits very flush to the frame. It would be easy for some to not get the mag seated well so besure and do a thumb press in the center of the mag. I will add some rubber 1911 bumps to my wifes R51 to aid mag seating. It does drop free cleanly when released.
Comparing to a kahr cw9 from the grip to the end of the barrel there the same length. Height is almost the same with a longer grip shorter slide area on the R51, the extra length is all at the rear of the slide area and does not plat into how it holster. More like a smaller pistol. It word well short in my cw9 holster or a short 1911 holster. Width is also the same as most small 9mm's or my cw9.
Photo included with a cw9
200 rounds at 10 yards
It's 180 degrees from the build quality of the R1. I'm really glad I didn't wait to see this thing before ordering a G42.
Oh please, not another .380!!
You must have got hold of a pre-production sample, the one I shot yesterday is nothing like that. Yes to a small amount of take up (creep), zero grit, feels like a great SD trigger. The slide was fairly easy to rack and is not a smooth operation, but that's to be expected, it's not based on a typical semi-auto action. The build quality was excellent-plus on the one I shot, certainly it gives up nothing to the G42 I've handled, especially considering it costs about $75-$100 less than a G42.
From what I can tell, all the folks I've talked to about the R51 who have a visceral dislike for the gun are all based on SHOT show samples they got to handle.
I looked at one in a LGS today. It pivots on a pin.
I love it.
Had no FTF or FTEs. Worked great! The recoil really is light. Doesn't feel snappy or unmanageable to me at all. The trigger is a bit heavier than a SA trigger but far lighter than DA. As hardluk1 said, it's like a striker fired pistol with a shorter pull. The grip safety was barely noticeable to me too. I just made sure that I always had a firm grip and it was good to go. I fired all of them at about 10 feet. Accuracy was very nice and widened out a bit as I got up past the 100 round mark as to be expected.
Recoil was surprisingly light as advertised. Not much jump or snap at all. Probably the lightest recoiling 9mm I've ever shot. After a hundred rounds or so you do start to feel it a bit in the web of your hand and the design of the back of the pistol does press down into the web of your hand by recoil. Nothing too painful by any means. I would compare it to putting a hundred rounds of .380 through the PPK/s. About what's to be expected from a full power 9mm of this size. Recoil seemed, really, almost less than the snappy PPK/s. I'm talking the .380 version here though and not the .32 which is lighter.
The sights are great and the gun points instinctually. I have some pics of my targets that I will put up shortly.
I'm very much loving it. It's definitely going to be my all time regular carry after I get another 300-400 rounds through it.
I put one magazine of HP through it without flaw, but unfortunately, I'm not sure what brand or weight they were as they are rounds I've had sitting around for awhile now. I was mainly shooting Remington 115gr FMJs. A heavier bullet may recoil and snap more but I doubt they would be that much more noticeable.
I know for a fact that my wife will completely love this pistol. She's already completely impressed with how easy it is to rack the slide compared to the PPK/s or the Mak. It's way easier. I know she will completely handle the recoil too. She isn't bothered at all by the .380 PPK/s or the Mak and I think she will think the Remington is even easier and smoother. I'm half afraid she is going to want to steal it from me.
Any other questions?? I'm completely happy with my purchase and this pistol is turning out to be exactly what I wanted and expected. It's really slim and carries completely as comfortable and small as the PPK/s or the Mak. It's actually thinner and more comfortable than the Mak if I had to make a comparison. Really really impressed here.
Next up is a nice IWB holster and I'm definitely going to upgrade with the wood grip panels as soon as they are available. I'm a fan!
This was getting up to the 75-100 round mark. 1st mag on this target aimed at bull. The group on the left was the HP with the 8 as POA, group on the right was 8 as the POA and the bottom group was 9 (actually I think I was aiming at the white line just above the 9) as POA. The group on the top was when I was starting to pull them fast just to see how they followed up. I'm satisfied for sure.
And the 1911 probably has much less spring pressure on it then anything else.
I doubt it will be a problem on the Remington either.
Field strip is awkward but not impossible. Once gutted there's strange looking parts inside. Easy enough to put back together. Read the manual and use your gun-dar, you'll need it.
Compared to it's main competitors (Nano, Shield, LC9) it does feel a bit heavier as seems like it will shoot more comfortably. It pointed nice, it has a longer sight radius than the other guns.
Now the negatives of the samples we got:
Fit and finish was mediocre at best, the slide on one sample hung up noticeably at three areas almost like it was binding and both took far more effort then other three. The gap in grip safety was visible, but I think that had more to do with the length of the grip safety (almost the full length of the grip) and the barrel had several machine marks. IMO it wasn't necessarily poorly finished, considering it's competition is polymer, but it didn't stand out as being any better than it's competition.
I also thought the breakdown was the worse of any of it's class. It's way to easy to lose parts in the hold the slide upside down removal system. It also wasn't intuitive at all.
The grip safety concerns me, it is more of a squeeze safety than a grip safety, in fact it reminded me a lot of the HK P7 squeeze cocker. IMO holding it down was an extra decision over and above just naturally gripping the gun when firing. And if the safety wasn't 100% depressed it didn't activate.
The other issue I had was the trigger, I thought it should have been a little bit longer. All of the guys there agreed that it pinched the finger against the trigger guard uncomfortably, and would probably be uncomfortable shooting (for the record Glocks can do something similar with their trigger safeties).
In summation, its a good gun and may being a bit larger and heavier be the best range/ shooting gun in it's class if these reports hold true. But its not the perfect gun and like every gun in it's class it has some comprimises. I would certainly suggest trying one at a range and handling one a bit before committing.
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