Got POWDER? !!!

[Ugly Sauce]

With my '62 and 15 grains, the ball really goes down, I'm not positive that it's compressing the powder. The bullet does, but man the ball goes deep, and it seems to run out of rammer before I really feel it compressing the powder. ?? However, still shoots fine.

Keep in mind the 4fg does not "bulk up" as much as the coarser grains. With a .44 20 grains is already a conservative load, I'd think I'd just go with 20 grains. You'll get a little more zip and boom, but not that much more, compared to the 3fg. Or in other words, 20 grains of 4fg will take up less space than 20 grains of 3fg, by weight. By volume, 20 grains of 4fg will be heavier than 20 grains of 3fg, by volume. Did that make sense?

But, as long as your rammer will ram the ball all the way down on the powder, no problem. And maybe if it doesn't, that's no problem either, I don't know. !!!

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Agree with Ugly Sauce, that pistol that came apart most likely was a train wreck to begin with. I shoot 4f in my revolvers as well with no problems. I will say that a chamber full on a ROA under a conical bullet will get ones attention. Border line uncomfortable to shoot.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

that pistol that came apart most likely was a train wreck to begin with

I would add that if it chain-fired, that might take the barrel off. However you look at it, it would have been a very rare "incident". If you really think about it, it seems impossible that any charge of 4fg could shear the wedge, (on pictures of wrecked revolvers I've seen, the barrel stays on but the cylinder explodes, as when loaded with smokeless powder) even with a chain fire, or pull the arbor out of the frame, even if the gun was in poor shape. It almost seems more likely that the wedge wasn't pushed in. ?? I don't really know how loose an arbor can get. ?

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Them Canadians have funny names for their towns! I can’t find “Almost to Canada” in the atlas. In what Province is it located?

LOL

Kevin

"Almost British Columbia" I believe.

 

[earlthegoat2]

3fg is a pretty good do everything powder. My .58's and .62 could live on it. Works okay in the Brown Bess, although that's more of a 2fg at least gun, and I like 1fg best in it. But, I have shot it with 3fg and it works. But, it all works better than 1fg in the pistols. !!! So 13 pounds of 3fg is not a bad thing. Is it Goex or Swiss?

Its main use is for my .58 cap lock. I may use it in my inline this year too just so I don’t have to pay up for 777.

 

[Dave Markowitz]

Nice stash.

Buffalo Arms is good people. I bought my Cimarron 1873 Sporting Rifle and 1860 Henry from them.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

I would add that if it chain-fired, that might take the barrel off. However you look at it, it would have been a very rare "incident". If you really think about it, it seems impossible that any charge of 4fg could shear the wedge, (on pictures of wrecked revolvers I've seen, the barrel stays on but the cylinder explodes, as when loaded with smokeless powder) even with a chain fire, or pull the arbor out of the frame, even if the gun was in poor shape. It almost seems more likely that the wedge wasn't pushed in. ?? I don't really know how loose an arbor can get. ?

I seen a few arbors flopping around a lot, I am sure 45dragoon has as well. Haven't seen one that couldn't be fixed as of yet with the exception of a brasser that someone had tried to braze the arbor into the frame. I turned that job down.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

So...possible that one could get loose enough to come off with a chain-fire?

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

If it was loaded stiff enough I can picture a loose one going down range. Especially a floppy one on a brasser.

 

[dickydalton]

I saw a video of a barrel leaving the gun with no chainfire!

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I saw a video of a barrel leaving the gun with no chainfire!

Dang, that would be insulting if someone shot me, and then the barrel came along and smacked me too. I'd be angry. I wonder how often that happens?

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Nice stash.

Buffalo Arms is good people. I bought my Cimarron 1873 Sporting Rifle and 1860 Henry from them.

No wonder they stay locked up and hidden with that sort of inventory on hand. !!! I guess the owner is quite a hunter, there were lots of impressive game heads and mounts on the walls, one very giant huge ginormous buffalo head and cape, biggest buff I'd ever seen.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Its main use is for my .58 cap lock. I may use it in my inline this year too just so I don’t have to pay up for 777.

My .58's seem to prefer it, even though one would "think" that 2fg would be better, especially in a long barrel. With 2fg in my 1861 Springfield, I sometimes "seem" to get a barely perceivable hardly-can-tell delay in ignition with 2fg. Could be my imagination. ?

 

[earlthegoat2]

My .58's seem to prefer it, even though one would "think" that 2fg would be better, especially in a long barrel. With 2fg in my 1861 Springfield, I sometimes "seem" to get a barely perceivable hardly-can-tell delay in ignition with 2fg. Could be my imagination. ?

There might be a small amount of increased recoil as the ball may accelerate faster with the finer powder. That is only speculation.

 

[Mike OTDP]

With my '62 and 15 grains, the ball really goes down, I'm not positive that it's compressing the powder.

Use a filler on top of the powder. Cream of Wheat works quite well. You want the ball seated just under the front of the cylinder for maximum accuracy.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Use a filler on top of the powder. Cream of Wheat works quite well. You want the ball seated just under the front of the cylinder for maximum accuracy.

True. However, that's not a practical reload for me in the field. Or mountains in my case. However, my 1862 is "fairly" accurate. !!

15 yards.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Yes it is, it impressed me when I shot it.

 

[Dave Markowitz]

Good shooting with that Pocket Police.

You can make up paper cartridges with a filler. I've made them with a light charge of BP, then some cornmeal, then the ball. That would make using a filler in the field practical.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

I like using paper cartridges myself, I am not a fan of blowing food down range, but that's just me.

 

[Smokepole14]

Ugly sauce, how does the schuetzen compare to the goex and Swiss? Is it hotter or cleaner? Never shot it before.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Ugly sauce, how does the schuetzen compare to the goex and Swiss? Is it hotter or cleaner? Never shot it before.

I've never shot it either, this will be my first rodeo with Scheutzen. My first trial will be with Bessie, and that won't be for a week or so. But again, a big musket really doesn't show much difference between powders, other than the amount of fouling. Or that is my experience. Sometime soon I will try the 4fg Scheutzen in my New Model Army Remington of Navy caliber. The 1860 I've gone back to 3fg mostly, and the 1862 I'm going back to 3fg just because it bulks up better/fills the chamber better with small game loads.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Good shooting with that Pocket Police.

You can make up paper cartridges with a filler. I've made them with a light charge of BP, then some cornmeal, then the ball. That would make using a filler in the field practical.

That's funny, same thought crossed my mind, and I have a bunch of empty paper cartridge hulls made up for .36". I may try that. I was also thinking of trying 1fg just for grins, as that will really bulk up well for a small game load. 20 grains of 1fg, by weight, would probably be very equal to 15 grains 3fg, velocity wise. However, might be very dirty burning. Worth a try. Or, perhaps 2fg Swiss, 2fg Swiss shoots well and clean in my Remington.

 

[Smokepole14]

I've never shot it either, this will be my first rodeo with Scheutzen. My first trial will be with Bessie, and that won't be for a week or so. But again, a big musket really doesn't show much difference between powders, other than the amount of fouling. Or that is my experience. Sometime soon I will try the 4fg Scheutzen in my New Model Army Remington of Navy caliber. The 1860 I've gone back to 3fg mostly, and the 1862 I'm going back to 3fg just because it bulks up better/fills the chamber better with small game loads.

let me know how it does in your 62 pocket. All I’ve ever shot out of mine is pyrodex and goex.

 

[The old gunsmith]

Ugly sauce, how does the schuetzen compare to the goex and Swiss? Is it hotter or cleaner? Never shot it before.

Schuetzen is the same powder as Graff's house brand. Overall, it is cleaner burning and has a softer fouling than Goex. It is not as clean as Swiss. As far as velocity goes, Goex produces the lowest velocity and Swiss produces the highest. Schuetzen falls somewhere in the middle. Overall, Schuetzen is a good powder. Actually, it is made by the same company that makes Swiss.