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If you want to move to a conservative state, try Oklahoma. They do things right up there. There are parts of Texas that definitely lean to the left.
Gov. Abbott signs Constitutional Carry into law in Texas
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If you want to move to a conservative state, try Oklahoma. They do things right up there. There are parts of Texas that definitely lean to the left.
CapnMac
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For 30.05: "Pursuant to Section 30.05, Penal Code (criminal trespass), a person may not enter this property with a firearm."
Seems pretty clear to me.
30.06 uses a lot more words to say Concealed carry prohibited.
30.07 uses a lot more words to say Open carry prohibited.
If I remember the news report correctly, to day was Signing Day in Austin. Everything takes effect 1 September 2021.
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Yesterday at the Alamo.
Armybrat
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I see WLP weaseled his way to the signing table. To me, the GOA ladies did much more to help Texas than the guy who wore a $6,000 suit to the photo-op signing.
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I will renew my LTC for the convenience of reciprocity and purchasing firearms from an FFL.
If you go dig into the sub sections of the bill at the end of the 30.05 it implies license holders or exempt from 30.05
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And then defence against prosecution is mentioned so it is not that clear at all
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Super for Texas.
This might already be the law in Tennessee (?).
This might already be the law in Tennessee (?).
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That sort of thing is mentioned quite often in Texas concealed carry legalese. It would seem that is Texas' way of saying "It's legal, but a local authority may not know the law. In which case you might find yourself in court to prove that it was legal." Cha-ching.
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Then it should say unlicensed carry is prohibited. Then it would be perfectly clear.
Armybrat
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Lawyers.
True and maybe it will be clarified before 9/1. Just another reason I stay concealed. Until then I will stay on the positive side and go with TSRA, GOA and TLS interpretation of the 30.05 section...
Some amount of long gun freedom has been lost, so, I do not see passage of HB 1927 as a net gain. I remember the days, before I was an LEO, and before Texas had a carry license system, when the only firearms that I could generally tote, were long guns. My usual choice, at the time, was a collapsible-stock carbine, toted in would now be called “bag gun” mode. I reckoned that the stock made it a better option that the more-popular choice, of the time, a pistol-grip-only shotgun.
Let’s remember that Texas folks who are still under 21 are still in that situation; able to carry long guns, but not handguns. Their right will become infringed, on September First. Until this year, Texas law has been amazingly long-gun-friendly, with some gaps that might astonish the anti-gun crowd. (Keep in mind, that anything which is not prohibited, is permitted. From that viewpoint, discreet long gun carry has been very permissible, in Texas.)
Edited to add: An incomplete remedy, for those age 21 and over, would be to expand the Carry License language to include long guns.
To be clear, I have never liked to see folks openly-carrying long guns, AT people.
Let’s remember that Texas folks who are still under 21 are still in that situation; able to carry long guns, but not handguns. Their right will become infringed, on September First. Until this year, Texas law has been amazingly long-gun-friendly, with some gaps that might astonish the anti-gun crowd. (Keep in mind, that anything which is not prohibited, is permitted. From that viewpoint, discreet long gun carry has been very permissible, in Texas.)
Edited to add: An incomplete remedy, for those age 21 and over, would be to expand the Carry License language to include long guns.
To be clear, I have never liked to see folks openly-carrying long guns, AT people.
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30.06 and 30.07 still apply. I'm down here right now and pretty much everywhere the family wants to go has one, or both, signs clearly displayed. Unlike CO, where I live, the sings carry the weight of law here. My pistol has spent more time on my night stand that my hip.
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I was intrigued by how some of the news outlets (a few that I saw online) were covering this on the run-up.
No mention was made that it was commonly known as Constitutional Carry and already in effect in many states.
Instead (no surprise) they opted to report it with a scare-the-public spin and tacitly suggest that such wild legislation was unique to Texas.
"Journalism is the production and distribution of reports on current events based on facts and supported with proof or evidence." ... so, this was something else. More Agenda-based than Truth-based.
No mention was made that it was commonly known as Constitutional Carry and already in effect in many states.
Instead (no surprise) they opted to report it with a scare-the-public spin and tacitly suggest that such wild legislation was unique to Texas.
"Journalism is the production and distribution of reports on current events based on facts and supported with proof or evidence." ... so, this was something else. More Agenda-based than Truth-based.
They probably added in the long guns thanks to those who thought they would display their right. Those few who dressed in camo with their AR15 strapped across their chest and paraded around Wally World and the likes just because they could.
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And those same type idiots who barged in on a Democrat state representative’s office fully armed to intimidate him during the Open Carry legislative hearings several years ago. Some people just can’t help themselves with such stupid behavior, and wind up giving us all an even worse image in the eyes of the average citizen, not to mention the media that love to smear us anyway they can.
Guys like “Mutt & Jeff” here who strutted around this Austin Chipotle restaurant “to educate” the diners about our right to openly carry.
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Texas is a BIG state, Robert. You must be around Austin, or maybe one of the other metropolitan areas. More 30.07's in S. TX than 30.06 and not all that restrictive here IME (That, or we travel in different circles
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"Journalism is the production and distribution of reports on current events based on facts and supported with proof or evidence." ... so, this was something else. More Agenda-based than Truth-based.
Wow! That must be from some really old dictionary lol!
Wow! That must be from some really old dictionary lol!
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Most of them don't but I think enough of us called or emailed to get their attention. Abbott is coming up for re-election next year so he is acting like a conservative for now.
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Rexster: Mutt and Jeff with their rifles inside the Chipotle remind me of a late 1960s (or 70-71) photo——-
Remember photos of the Black Panthers with visible rifles somewhere like Oakland CA? Possibly carrying M-1 Carbines?
Remember photos of the Black Panthers with visible rifles somewhere like Oakland CA? Possibly carrying M-1 Carbines?
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Laws are squirrely things and written in a way convenient for lawyers, whereby many similar things are grouped together, rather than as separated, discrete, groupings.
So, part of the signage requirement is the burden on those emplacing the signs. These things need defining. So, Karen at the Taco Stand freaks because a dude stops in to get some salsa on the way home.
So, law says Karen can't "trespass" fellow customers.
The Manager on Duty can't "trespass" customers because Karen is freaking.
What the law is allowing is that the Owner (or "obvious" designated agent) has a defense against prosecution if the signs are all in place (every entrance), or if the Owner (or obv. rep.) verbally notified every single customer and staff.
The "force of law" gets interesting as it's a Class C Misdemeanor (circa $225 ticket) except for when it's a Class B (which involves knowingly carrying into known prohibited places). But, all that hinges upon whether people owning and/or operating a posted property actually call in the cops.
We will see in a couple months.
So, part of the signage requirement is the burden on those emplacing the signs. These things need defining. So, Karen at the Taco Stand freaks because a dude stops in to get some salsa on the way home.
So, law says Karen can't "trespass" fellow customers.
The Manager on Duty can't "trespass" customers because Karen is freaking.
What the law is allowing is that the Owner (or "obvious" designated agent) has a defense against prosecution if the signs are all in place (every entrance), or if the Owner (or obv. rep.) verbally notified every single customer and staff.
The "force of law" gets interesting as it's a Class C Misdemeanor (circa $225 ticket) except for when it's a Class B (which involves knowingly carrying into known prohibited places). But, all that hinges upon whether people owning and/or operating a posted property actually call in the cops.
We will see in a couple months.
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Mutt and Jeff look freaking ridiculous. More like Laurel and Hardy...they need to switch derbies, er, I mean rifles!
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As stated previously Gov. Abbott signed six more related bills that go in to effect 9/1/21.A little more detailed explanation here. SB 2622 is an eye opener.
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Texas House Bill 1927 authorizes Constitutional Carry in Texas, meaning law-abiding Texans can legally carry a handgun without a license to carry. This makes Texas the 21st constitutional carry state. The other 20 states are Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
Texas House Bill 957 repeals the criminal offense of possessing, manufacturing, transporting or repairing a firearm silencer. It also ensures that any firearm suppressor manufactured in Texas, and that remains in Texas, will not be subject to federal law or federal regulation.
Texas House Bill 2622 makes Texas a Second Amendment Sanctuary State by protecting Texans from new federal gun control regulations.
Texas Senate Bill 20 allows guests to store firearms in their hotel rooms.
Texas Senate Bill 19 prohibits any governmental entity from contracting with any business that discriminates against firearm and ammunition businesses or organizations.
Texas Senate Bill 550 removes the shoulder or belt holster requirements, allowing Texans to carry firearms in whatever kind of holster they choose.
Texas House Bill 1500 prevents any government entity from prohibiting the sale or transportation of firearms or ammunition during a declared disaster or emergency.
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Texas House Bill 1927 authorizes Constitutional Carry in Texas, meaning law-abiding Texans can legally carry a handgun without a license to carry. This makes Texas the 21st constitutional carry state. The other 20 states are Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
Texas House Bill 957 repeals the criminal offense of possessing, manufacturing, transporting or repairing a firearm silencer. It also ensures that any firearm suppressor manufactured in Texas, and that remains in Texas, will not be subject to federal law or federal regulation.
Texas House Bill 2622 makes Texas a Second Amendment Sanctuary State by protecting Texans from new federal gun control regulations.
Texas Senate Bill 20 allows guests to store firearms in their hotel rooms.
Texas Senate Bill 19 prohibits any governmental entity from contracting with any business that discriminates against firearm and ammunition businesses or organizations.
Texas Senate Bill 550 removes the shoulder or belt holster requirements, allowing Texans to carry firearms in whatever kind of holster they choose.
Texas House Bill 1500 prevents any government entity from prohibiting the sale or transportation of firearms or ammunition during a declared disaster or emergency.
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