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Has anyone here had any work done on their gun by Grant Cunningham within the last year?

I'm just wondering if he is still working on guns. I know he is still alive because he posts fairly regularly on his blog but it seems that his waiting list hasn't moved much. I put in a work request and was accepted by Mr. Cunningham on September 27, 2007. At that time he gave me a backlog estimate of 9 months. That was 41 months ago.

On April 1, 2009, Mr. Cunningham responded to an inquiry I made about the seemingly long wait by forwarding me my reservation number and a link to his Currently Serving web page. The number he gave me seemed unusually high considering how long I had already been waiting. Since then, his currently serving number seems to move even slower.

I finally broke down and contacted him about the long wait (something he specifically asks customers not to do). I asked him if I had slipped through the cracks or if he had forgotten about me. He responded:

Not intentionally. Stand by - I've got a major problem with my fancy computerized reservation database which I'm trying to figure out.

Well, I've been standing by since February 7th and have not heard back from him.

My question to THR members ... has anyone had any work done by Mr. Cunningham on a gun that they reserved after September 27, 2007? If so, how long was your wait from the time you requested the work until he called for the gun? (PM me with a reply if you wish to remain anonymous)
 
I don't know anything about the situation. I would say that if your last contact with him was about 30 days ago, and he asked you to "stand by" at that time, I'd wait a bit longer before contacting him again about it.

How long? I think another month would be reasonable. If he hasn't contacted you within 60 days of last contact I think a follow up would be justified.

Just my opinion. YMMV.
 
He can be a little slow to respond. Forty one months seems a bit excessive. It sounds like he lost your reservation. I suspect that another polite letter would solve the problem.
 
... It sounds like he lost your reservation. I suspect that another polite letter would solve the problem.

I had that feeling when he sent me the reservation number in 2009. I suspected he might have "forgotten" me and stuck me at the end of the line. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed that he is really that busy. Now ... I don't know anymore.

I will wait a couple more weeks (as previously suggested) before I bother him again.
 
You have more patience than I. There are a lot of very good revolver oriented gunsmiths out there.
 
I think a lot of it depends on what you want him to do.
Is it something he specializes in?
Is it that you just want an example of his work?

If it isn't either of those reasons, you could likely take your business elsewhere...and let someone else move up the list. I don't know Mr. Cunningham, But I have done business with artist of his caliber and this isn't unusual

If it is for the artistic bent of his work, you'll wait.

I've been on the list of a top gunsmith much longer...granted not a revolver...but I really want to own an example of his work
 
I'm in the same boat. I also sent an email, and received the same computer/reservation answer that you did. I'm hoping that my reservation will carry forward to whenever he can get around to it. FWIW...
 
All I know is that he did great work on my K18. It now works! It did take awhile (3 months) since he was looking for parts that are no longer made.
 
He's an artisan and a professional. I read on his blog not long ago that he had a back log almost 2 years long and that he wasn't taking any new requests as a result. Although, I'd suspect Mr. Cunningham is the top of his field much like the Randall family is the top of theirs in the knife making world and the current wait for a Randall is over 60 months.

If it absolutely, must be done by Mr. Cunningham, I might politely send another inquiry. If you'd be content just to have the work done, I'm sure there are other qualified smiths.
 
What can he do that another 'smith can't? I would never wait 41 months just to get some work done on a revolver, there are too many good smiths out there.
 
What can he do that another 'smith can't?

I'm sure there is more, but the first thing that comes to mind is he can correctly tune a Colt Python action...I would doubt there are more than a handful of folks still working that can do that. I know three and am aware of at least a couple who claim they can, who I wouldn't let near one of mine.

It is like S&W actions, just about anyone can polish and change parts/springs on one, but how many can take the DA down to 6lbs with reliable ignition.

Most folks will never see the difference or even understand the difference if they are shown it...for this I'm happy, it shortens the wait for work by the top folks in their fields
 
The longest waiting period of heard of for him was a little over 3 years for 2 colt revolvers. I think it is just him and his wife so it sounds like he mis-placed your reservation. To answer your question 451 Detonics; he can precisely tune a revolver like a Colt Python that has a no room for error. The other gunsmiths qualified to work on Colt double actions are retired or have passed away. I'm sure there are a some other gunsmiths that could do the work but you would be taking a chance. When your talking about a $1000+ revolver that could be ruined most people just wait for Mr. Cunningham.
 
I'm sure there are a some other gunsmiths that could do the work but you would be taking a chance.

Bruce Gray in OR is still doing them, but his backlog isn't short either

Did Reeves Jungkind pass away...he is an original master of the Python action
 
I just sent a pm out where I explained "Why Grant Cunningham."

It comes down to this: I had the opportunity a few years ago (just before I made my reservation) to hold and fire a Python that had been worked on by Mr. Cunningham. Maybe I don't get out much but it certainly was the finest trigger I have ever tried. I don't mean it was light, either. It was just smooth from first touch to let off and the return was like butter. Anyway, I was hooked.

The work is good. I've tried it. I just wish it was balanced with better communication and a more realistic backlog time estimate

**For the record, I am not mad/angry at Mr. Cunningham. His workload is what it is. I'm just a little disappointed at the communication.
 
I don't know what Frank Glenn's waiting time is but I shoot a 686 he built, trigger is right at 6 1/2 and in about 150 Action Pistol matches and 3 Bianchi Cups it never failed to fire. I have been told his Colt work is excellent as well but I don't have first hand experience with it.
 
Sometimes talented artisans and craftsmen do beautiful work but have poor service. If it takes three and a half years to get to your gun, fine, but be up front about it. Milt Sparks, with typically a 5-6-month wait for a holster, manages to do this somehow. And surely it doesn't take that long to give people a progress report every so often.
 
I have all the rspect in the world for him
I understand he also had a medical problem that put him even farther behind and is developing a case of arthritis.
He does excellent work but he may be "winding down"
He is an artist no doubt. but there are others.
 
I have all the rspect in the world for him
I understand he also had a medical problem that put him even farther behind and is developing a case of arthritis.
He does excellent work but he may be "winding down"
He is an artist no doubt. but there are others.

That's what I am afraid of.

I guess I'll have to let go of that goal and start looking around. Thanks to all for the replies, PMs and suggestions.
 
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The core problem is that older gunsmiths that are both knowledgeable and experienced in working on Colt double-action/hand-ejector revolvers that date from 1908 to around 1970 are going out of the picture, while new, younger ones are not moving into it. Add to that new (as opposed to used) parts are often next-to-impossible to find, and "new" is important because those that were hand fitted to another revolver can't always be used in a different one.

These revolvers all had had fitted lockwork, and the best person to work on one is generally considred to be Grant Cunningham. Of course there are others, including the Colt factory, but they're old timers won't last forever either - nor will available parts.

It depends on what you want done to a particular revolver, but if one looks at the entire situation and want's "the best," it might be a good idea to wait on Grant, and hope he will eventually get to your gun.
 
Does not sound too promising..

You may try Reeves Jungkind: He was one of the best firearms instructors I ever had, his work with Colt Revolvers is Legendary. I have not spoken to him in many years, before his Retirement from TxDPS...

Here is the contact info I could find on him...

REEVES C. JUNGKIND
5001 Buckskin Pass
Austin, TX 78745
(512) 442-1094

also found this:

REEVES C. JUNGKIND
Reeves Jungkind
509 E. Granite St., Llano, TX 78643-3055;
(325) 247-1151

But that information is several years old.. I did see on the Colt Python Blog that someone posted that they had sent 2 pistols to him in Oct of 2010... he may still be doing it... note elsewhere that there was a two month turnaround, and charge was $250 for a trigger job.. Reeves is a heck of a guy, If he smiths anything like he teaches, it should be good.

Your other option might be to contact Colts Custom Shop, there used to be a man running it named Don Tedford... I owned a Python that he worked up... was almost to pretty and sweet to shoot... But the dang cylinder turned backwards, had to get rid of it.. wasn't natural... :)
 
I have an old Dick Special that I wanted to have him do some work on and heard that he was taking reservations. I threw my name in the hat and I was notified 4/1/2010 that I made the reservation list. I was told that I would be notified within the week of my reservation number after some computer problems were worked out. I have never heard anything more. He says not to try and contact him, so, I just let it go. I was disappointed since he is a heck of a Colt mechanic from what I hear.
 
Mystery solved ... Just got this in my INBOX:

Hello!

The reason you're receiving this note is because you have a gun on my Waiting List. (If you've received multiple copies, it's because you have more than one gun on the list and I didn't catch the duplicate email.) You may have been on the list for a very short time, or a very long time. In either case, please read on for a status report.

Over the last couple of years my workload has become quite burdensome. To put it bluntly, I've been buried. No matter how much work I finished, it always seemed that I had more to do! I'm not complaining, mind you, but it seemed odd that (literally) the more I did, the further behind I got.

Now I know that most of you have experienced the same thing at your job, but mine was literally true - no matter how many revolvers came in or out, the number on my waiting list seemed to always grow - even after I closed the list to new entries!

I thought it was my imagination, but it turns out there's a reason.

Late last year something odd happened: I got in two guns with the same reservation number. In theory that shouldn't happen, since my terrific little computer program (which I wrote myself - keep that in mind) sends out notices for guns automatically. It does so without my having to compose and read them, so I didn't notice the duplicate. I chalked it up to a data entry error, but it happened again a couple of months ago.

That's when I started noticing something else that didn't seem right: I got emails from some people who said "gee, you got to me faster than I thought!" and others that said "when are you going to get to me?" Since my system calls for guns in order of their reservation number, that shouldn't happen either. I chalked that one up to people's varying perceptions of time.

When I recently got an email from someone I know was on the list for a long time, but had a very recent reservation number, I knew something was amiss. When I checked the list and couldn't find him I started digging through the database. At one point I manually issued a "show all records" command to the database.

OH-HOLY-CRAP! (Pardon my French.) There were two or three times the number of records in the database than the system was reporting to me! That explained why I've been working myself to death lately.

The system, which you'll remember I programmed myself, had been hiding some records from view because of an error I made in the automation routines. (Database experts in the audience will understand when I tell you that I have several search routines that I use on a daily basis. Many of them include a command to omit records from view which don't meet the criteria for whatever display form I'm using. The problem is that I didn't clear those omission flags when I should have! My best friend - a recognized expert on DB programming - just laughed at me when I told him what I'd done. I didn't find it quite so amusing.)

The bottom line is that there were apparently always a large number of records that weren't visible in any of the search result screens that the system uses, which meant that I had a lot more people on the list than I even knew about!

Worse still, the system dynamically assigned reservation numbers based on the records that were shown, which meant a) some numbers got reused, and b) some numbers actually changed - you'd have the one that I emailed you, but the system would assign it to someone else. That explains why I was getting guns in that seemed out of sequence with the dates - because they were.

The long and short of this is that my super system is screwed up beyond repair. Luckily every entry in the database is date-stamped on entry, so I still have a solid record of who's on the list and when they got there. That's why you've gotten this message.

Several things are going to happen to get things back on track. First, the reservation numbers are no longer valid. I've already deleted the reservation number tracker on the website. Instead, every quarter or so I'll be sending out an email to everyone showing that I'm working on reservations from such-and-such a date.

Second, I'm not adding anyone to the list for at least the next year. Hopefully this will give me some time to whittle down the number of guns that are waiting for my attention.

Finally, I'm asking for your help. I'm sure a number of you are tired of waiting for me, and I don't blame you. Here's what I'd like you to do:

- If you wish to be DELETED from the waiting list for any reason, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Do not reply to this email in any manner, shape, or form. If I don't hear from you within 7 days, I'll assume that you're either dead, sold the gun, or just don't want to hire me to do your work. That's perfectly fine, and if you want me to recommend another quality gunsmith who can get to you faster I'll be happy to do so.

- If you wish to remain on my waiting list, simply reply to this email. DO NOT CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE, and do not send any messages - simply hit 'reply' and then 'send'. (If you got multiple copies, please do not make multiple replies - one is sufficient.) The return emails will automatically go into a special inbox folder, and I'll make sure that your spot on the waiting list is not deleted. The emails won't actually be read, so if you need to contact me for some other reason please send a separate email with a different subject line. DO NOT SEND A REPLY TO THIS EMAIL UNLESS YOU WISH TO REMAIN ON THE LIST!

The date that you got onto the list originally will be the date that I'll use to determine your place in line. Please don't ask for an estimate of when I'll get to your gun, because at this point I don't have a clue. I'm not even going to try playing that game until I've gotten a solid handle on the situation, and the only way I can do that is to find out how many people still want me to do their work!

If you choose to stick around, you can expect an occasional email with the aforementioned status update, and as things smooth out I'm hoping to get a decent estimate on time frames.

I wish it to be understood that I acknowledge this situation to be exclusively my fault. I'm the idiot who programmed what was supposed to be time-saving software, and I screwed up. I apologize profusely for unintentionally keeping you 'on the hook' longer than you might have expected, and if you wish that to no longer be the case I'll understand - and, as mentioned, I'll even refer you to someone whose work I respect if you so desire.

Mea culpa.

-=[ Grant Cunningham ]=-
 
I'm going to gamble that I should be close to being called since it has been 41 months and he says he's going forward based on submission dates instead of reservation numbers. I can't be too far out.
 
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