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Great Lube! What is it?

I posted this over on "The firing line" but wanted to share the thread with folks here as well.

Recently bought a used SIG 229 (9mm version). It had obviously had a good number of rounds through it and although it shows no indication of actual abuse, it wasn't exactly the best cleaned/maintained gun I've ever handled.

But I'll tell you this. I REALLY want to know what lube the previous owner used. The outside of the barrel, inside of the slide, and the rails, all felt unbelievably slick though there was no indication of wet-lube or grease still present.

I detail cleaned the gun with my usual mix of hot water and simple green and it definitely stripped all the fouling and crud and such off the parts...and the barrel and so on still felt greasy slick like cooking oil on wax paper!

I've used a few different lubes including hoppes and Breakfree CLP and I've just never felt anything like this. Does anyone have any idea what might have been used because it makes the lubricating properties of Breakfree look absolutely pathetic!

The suggestion was made to contact the shop I purchased it from and they asked the former owner.

The answer was Militec-1 (along with advice to check the instructions for proper use on the Militec-1 web sight).

HOLY COW do I ever need to get some of this stuff!
 
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Ordered from the Militec website.

Sent for the Militec 1 "Bonus pak" which is supposed to have a 4oz Bottle of MILITEC-1, an Needle Applicator Tip, and a 1.5oz tube of the grease.

When it gets here I'll strip down a few guns (especially my CZ-52) and treat 'em then I'll do a write-up and let you all know the results.
 
Just a heads up that Militec did poorly on corrosion tests, so I wouldn't depend on it for protection--just lube. That being said, I have used it on several firearms. When treated properly (I baked the parts at about 200 degrees in a toaster oven) it comes out just like the original poster mentioned. It holds up through several cleanings, then you have to redo it. It helps reliability on my Kel-tec for sure.
 
I've been using Militec for the past few years because CLP tends to gunk up easily, especially in the AR in dusty environments.

But yes, as someone already mentioned, Militec is not a preservative nor a cleaner. It is only designed for lubrication.
 
The Militec-1 package arrived this evening. Wow, talk about speedy delivery! I was going to go to the range this evening but we had a nasty storm blow up here in the NoVA area and since I couldn't even see across the street I figured it was a wise idea to stay home and stay safe.

So I pulled out a bunch of my semi-autos and had a degreasing and militec-1 lube party. Used a hair dryer (or an old toaster oven) to bring the parts up to temperature for the "curing" part.

I can tell you at least one thing right off the bat. This stuff (Militec lube and grease) has already made a significant difference in my CZ-52. The slide, while still not easy (hey, it's got a 16.5 lb Wolff spring in it for crying out loud) is now probably 20% easier to rack. In fact my wife was able (barely) to rack it this evening and she's never been able to before. I also put the lube on all of the related trigger and firing pin parts and although the trigger is still mil-surp heavy it is definitely better than before. The SIG that got me started on this whole thing slides like ice on wet glass.

Another interesting thing is that I treated the outside of the magazines for both the SIG and the CZ-52. Both seemed to have a sort of a parkerized finish on them with the CZ magazines being far rougher than the SIG. Now they aren't exactly slippery, but feel more like wax paper. That is to say they feel like they have some sort of lubrication on them even though dry now. It makes the CZ mags MUCH easier to pull back out of the gun.

I'm not saying that this stuff is the "be all/end all" of gun care but my initial impression is really good! I'll keep posting over time as I torture this stuff and see what it'll do.

Ze
 
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Militec-1 Testing ROUND ONE

Took three guns to the range this evening. Ruger 22/45, Kel-Tec P-3AT, and a CZ-52.

All three guns had been degreased, treated with Militec-1, and heated in an old toaster oven to "cure" the parts. I also used the tiniest dab of Militec-1 grease on the rails of the P-3AT and the CZ-52. After the initial treatment all three guns were noticeably more slick in operation but especially the CZ-52.

Ruger 22/45 (150 rounds fired).
I'm absolutely dieing to put a better trigger in this pistol, regardless of that the gun functioned flawlessly and smoothly. A simple run through with a boresnake left it clean enough for my tastes afterwards. Breakfree has always required me swabbing out the chamber but it didn't seem nearly as gooked up after this shooting session.

P-3AT (50 rounds fired)
Similar deal. The gun functioned flawlessly and seemed far less dirty than it has always been after a shooting session where Breakfree was used. An interesting thing I noticed is that the barrel and slide seem even more slippery than they did before. Possibly the heat of firing caused the Militec-1 to "cure" even further? I don't know for certain what the cause is but the barrel (and the slide where it was heated by the hot barrel) now have that same "greasy wax paper" feel that the SIG has (which is what started this whole adventure.)

CZ-52 (100 rounds fired)
Um, WOW! After 60ish rounds the CZ was getting pretty hot so I took a break. If the extra heat caused more "curing" for the P-3AT then the effect went double for the CZ-52! The barrel, locking rollers, recoil spring (which wraps around the barrel), and all of the friction surfaces in the slide now feel like "greasy waxed paper" even though they are essentially dry of lubricant. At this point it is the slickest operating CZ-52 I've ever felt, it even seems to have improved the trigger somewhat (though this may just be my enthusiasm speaking). The CZ was also an absolute breeze to clean up (I shoot corrosive surplus so a water cleanup is a must) and even after the parts still felt slick/greasy smooth.

At this point all of these guns have been fired, cleaned up, and left "dry" (I added no more lubricant). Working the mechanisms they all still feel freshly oiled. This Militec-1 stuff is amazing so far!

Will post more as the testing continues.

Ze
 
I actually ordered it direct from Militec-1 from their "Civilian Store"
I ordered the "bonus pack" that had the lube and the grease.
You should definitely follow the instructions on the web page HERE (much better than the instructions on the bottle)

And yes, I think it probably would work just fine on a shotgun though I haven't tried it on mine yet. So far I've only tried it on some pistols not any long guns.
 
Militec-1 Testing Round Two!

Another range trip last night. Guns were run "dry", that is no additional lubrication has been added since they were cleaned after the last shooting session.

P-3AT (21 rounds)
Parts still felt slick and everything functioned 100%. Cleanup was minimal and easy with no gunky buildup. For whatever reason the P-3AT barrel doesn't seem to have "cured" as much as the other guns and in a side by side "fingernail" test it doesn't seem quite as slick as the others, but it's still far more lubricated than it ever was before and no wet lube to run out and stain clothes, etc. The slides and hammer however are every bit as slick as any of the other guns I've treated. This makes me wonder just what Kel-Tec is using for their barrels?!?

CZ-52 (50 rounds)
Parts still felt slick and everything functioned 100%. As with the other Militec-1 treated guns, cleanup is far easier than it was before I began using this product. Hosing the barrel and slide out with Windex and hot water (I shoot corrosive ammo in this pistol) had no effect that I could see as far as reducing the slick feeling that the Militec-1 leaves on the parts. Militec grease seems to be clinging to the rails just fine even after the bath.

New Player... Taurus Millennium Pro PT-140 (50 rounds)
Wiped the gun as dry as I could get it before going shooting. It performed absolutely flawlessly and like the others cleanup just seemed much easier with dramatically less gunk in the chamber, on the rails, and around the firing pin. Like the CZ-52, the Taurus seemed to "cure" even more with the heat of firing causing the entire barrel assembly to gain the same "oiled wax paper" feel that I have talked about on the other firearms. My Taurus is a 2'nd gen (DAO) trigger and applying Militec-1 to both the trigger and striker sides of the "sear" (and of course heat treating them) has turned a "decent" trigger into one with a really sweet clean break.
 
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I was posting this over at "The firing line" and received a challenge by the maker of "Weapon Shield". In short he was willing to supply me with a free sample if I would run a side-by-side test of Weapon Shield vs Militec-1. Here's the first installment.

CPO SIG 229 in .40 S&W

This pistol was taken to the range about two weeks ago where I fired just shy of 200 rounds of dirty, nasty, lead truncated cone, ammunition through it. The pistol functioned flawlessly and was extremely accurate. It was then worn for CCW during my entire move (dirt, sweat, and all). In the end it was about as dirty and nasty as I’ve ever let a sidearm get.

For this entire test the only chemical used on the firearm was “Weapon Shield”.

I started by field stripping the firearm down and then swabbing the inside of the barrel with Weapon Shield CLP. I then let the barrel sit for 20 minutes while I cleaned the rest of the gun. The frame cleanup went very quickly with Weapon Shield easily removing any and all gunk from the rails and other parts. One note is that Weapon Shield greatly reduced the stiff, gritty, feel of my magazine release button.

Cleaning the slide was, of course, more involved. Weapon Shield was doing such a nice job of removing fouling and gunk that I decided to go the extra mile and actually disassemble the firing pin and extractor. Again Weapon Shield (on several Q-Tips) did a first rate job of removing all gunk from the parts and the recessed areas, especially the firing pin channel.

By now about 20 minutes had passed so I took a bronze brush and scrubbed the barrel (which had some lead fouling from the LTC ammunition). I then ran a patch through which came out BLACK with lots of lead flakes. Visual inspection of the barrel showed a little more lead but I would estimate an 85% removal on the first go. As you may imagine I was pretty impressed at that. I swabbed the barrel with Weapon Shield again and set it aside while I reassembled the slide.

About 5 minutes later I brush-scrubbed the barrel again and ran more patches through it and visual inspection showed the barrel to be clean and shiny and ready to go. I don’t know if Weapon Shield is supposed to be a lead remover, but in this case it certainly seemed to make the job easier.

Now one of the issues I have with my SIG pistols is rust in the grip screw slots (on the side that faces my body). So far I’ve had good luck with Birchwood Casey “Barricade” spray to greatly reduce this issue, but not much else has helped at all. Since this pistol was going to be a testbed I hadn’t treated the screws and sure enough there was a hint of surface rust in the slots. Weapon Shield and a Q-Tip removed the rust. Time will tell if Weapon Shield also succeeds in preventing rust in this troublesome area.

This firearm is an extremely smooth operating one so right now it’s a little difficult for me to tell by feel if Weapon Shield has had an effect on this aspect. The magazine release button was certainly smoothed out and is much easier to operate now. The barrel, guide rod, and rails all seem very slick and well lubricated. I also noted that the viscosity seemed very good. Thin enough to work into just about anyplace you put it, thick enough to avoid running all over the place. Testing and time will tell if the lube stays put or not. Odor is fine and passed the wife test as well as my own chemically sensitive nose.

Next stage will be a series of 100 round range trips with only a barrel swab-out. At 500 rounds I will report back on how Weapon Shield is holding up as well as detailing how the 500 round detail cleanup goes.
 
This afternoon I pulled the "Weapon Shield" treated SIG out of the safe. Weapon Shield stayed put, there were no "run lines" where the lube was creeping out of the firearm so viscosity looks good for now.

Militec-1 also seems to be staying put where I put it.
 
One Year Update

A year ago I started this quest/review of lubricants and cleaners for firearms. I thought it might be useful to some folks to find out where we stand "longer term" thus I'm posting this update...

In the past year I've settled into a routine of using the following chemicals.

1) Outers foaming bore cleaner (to remove copper fouling).
2) Gunzilla (for heavy powder fouling and especially to help remove the plastic snot from my shotgun barrels).
3) WeaponShield to lube and protect.

Militec 1, unfortunately, fell by the wayside as time went on because it simply did not seem to do a very good job of protecting my guns from my rust-promoting body chemistry. Others have had no issue with this so it may just be something specific to me which wouldn't surprise me at all <sigh>.

In spite of my "rusting" body chemistry and spending an extended period inside gun sleeves/cases/socks while we moved (twice) and got settled into the new place, all of my firearms are still spotlessly clean and completely corrosion free.

The grip screws of my carry SIG 229 continue to be the "canary-in-the-coal-mine" indicator of corrosion (what IS the deal with those damned screws?) but the worst they've gotten is just a faint hint of corrosion and a quick rub with Weaponshield on a q-tip and the problem is gone for another month or so (longer if I remember to wipe 'em down once in a while).

Wear n' tear on all my firearms seems to be well under control with no indication of lubrication failure and all of my firearms continue to operate smoothly.

All three of the chemicals in question also function with just a bare minimum amount used per cleaning so I also feel that I'm getting very good value for my money from all of the products

So one year later we have three easy to use (and easy on the nose) chemicals, a stable of happy firearms, and one satisfied gun owner.
 
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