i was just wondering about different pistol's grip angles. we all know the 1911 has a 45 degree grip angle, but it seems to me the europeans like a more vertical angle. take for instance the TT-33 and john browning's pre-1911 models, which all seem to have the same, almost vertical grip angle. more modern european guns, like the beretta 92 and cz 75 seem to be in between the vertical and 45 degree grip angles. what do you guys think?