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I like that "discharge barrel" idea. It should help make sure the muzzle is pointed in the right direction. Is it something like a 30 galllon barrel with sand in it? I may put one of those in my place substituting a metal trashcan.
 
Baretta Scare

On the first day I was to shoot my Baretta Model 94F I was on my local range and decided to put the gun on safety after chambering a round. As I moved the safety to safe, the hammer fell and nothing, the baretta rolls the firing pin out of the way when on safe. IT scared the hell out of me and I unloaded the gun and went to my car to see what else this wonderful gun does that I don't know about. I think it took me longer to get my pulse rate down than to read the manual. Ain't technology wonderful
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How is it negligent if the hammer slips while you are pointing the gun in a safe direction?
If the hammer slips, and the gun discharges, it is a negligent discharge because you ignored the sage advice offered to you not to lower the hammer of a SAA or 1911 on a live round. You chose to do it anyway. As my old Master Chief used to say, you were instructed, but you failed to learn. That makes it negligence.

An accident is an unexpected occurance that is not forseeable. Thus, because the lowering of a hammer onto a live round is forseeable as having the potential for a discharge if the hammer is unexpectedly released, you cannot call the resulting discharge accidental.

Not killing anyone makes the occurance more tolerable, but it is no less negligent.

I hope this helps, it is meant to be a helpful explanation, not a condemnation.
 
That summed things up pretty well, Xavier.


The only stupid hammer-dropping I've ever done was to hold my thumb against the firing pin on an unloaded 1911, and then (intentionally) pulling the trigger. The thought process at the time (yes yes, I know) was to see if it could be used to drop the hammer without actually dry firing it. Suffice it to say, it took me about a hundredth of a second to gain a newfound appreciation for the strength of the mainspring.
 
I've never had an accidental discharge but i did have to shoot a mattress one time. That ole S&W Military & Police stopped that mattress with one shot. I was impressed. I thought it was really good shootin' for a ten year old. Dad wasn't impressed to much though. It was his mattress.
 
........not to lower the hammer of a SAA or 1911 on a live round

Technically, the Stampede is not a SAA; it has a transfer bar and is safe to be carried with all six chambers loaded. However, unlike the Ruger SA's, the Stampede must be at half-cock to rotate the cylinder, so once loaded one must lower the hammer.

I like that "discharge barrel" idea. It should help make sure the muzzle is pointed in the right direction. Is it something like a 30 galllon barrel with sand in it? I may put one of those in my place substituting a metal trashcan.

Mine is a 25 gallon oil drum (held GL-4 before the sand). I have it in a stand, agled at about 50 degrees. I filled it with a little over 2 80 lb bags of fine concrete sand. I also have a nylen webbed strap looped across the center; in the event of a jammed gun with a live cartridge, I can slip the muzzle between the straps to keep it pointed directly into the barrel. The only round I don't trust it to stop is the .50 BMG, but that rifle is never loaded in the house.
 
Becoming complacent and overconfident with tried-and-true procedure rather than proceeding with all precautions will lead to absent-mindedness and mistakes. I have to constantly remind myself to triple-check myself at work with all aspects of operating CNC machinery. We do smaller runs rather than manufacturing quantities so we see a large assortment of job/parts come through and each gives prime opportunities for mistakes.

One misplaced digit in coding or a simple offset can set off an alarm if you're lucky, or cause many tens of thousands of dollars in damage to machinery and machine downtime/repairs if safety check procedures are truncated and abridged in practice. I've seen others at work crash machines and it's because people try multi-tasking which divides their attention, trying to rush things through, or become too complacent and make assumptions. Logging 50-60 hours a week on stuff like that for 48 weeks out of the year, you're going to eventually going to slip up given a long enough time statistically, but being cautious and having safety checks minimizes the chances of such if you follow them religiously.

I think it's even more important with firearms because your life can be at stake. Take your time and avoid distractions. As with anything, if you fiddle with guns long enough, you'll have an "accident/negligent discharge" eventually due to events within or outside your control, wether you're a casual weekend shooter or some super elite ex-military guy with tons of trigger time. However by taking all necessary precautions possible, you'll greatly reduce the chances of those...perhaps even to the point where you won't see one in your lifetime.
 
I've accidentally discharged guns on 4 different occasions, but NEVER came even close to wounding/killing someone or even damaging my own or someone else's property. The reason being is because I've NEVER pointed a gun at anything or in any direction where I wasn't perfectly content with what the consequences would be if it were to go off.
 
I have had one ND. It was totally negligent and stupid. I was hunting with a 7 mm. The magazine release was ribbed like the trigger and placed immediately to the front of the trigger guard. I thought I had my finger on the release but it was on the trigger. The result...a very big unexpected boom. Bad Design? Maybe, but not a valid excuse, because simply focusing on what I was doing would have prevented a very dangerous mistake. Thankfully, in spite of my stupidity, I was living up to my father's injucntions about muzzle direction. No harm done to a human (except my ego was horribly bruised).

In the end it just shows that we can never be too careful. Redundent safety practices are essential.

I really like the sand barrel idea. Could prevent the need for that dry wall repair with toothpaste.:)
 
Was the guy talking on a cell phone when he was thumbing down the hammer on his 1911 with a hot chamber?
 
First he is about 60 and has carried a gun most of his life. He maintains and handles his guns regularly. I notice that he isn't carefull enough as to where the gun is pointed and say so when he handles in a shop I am in. He just says he has handled guns all his life and hasn't shot anyone yet.

I know a guy just like that. Everytime we are in a gunstore looking at their toys he sweeps everything and everyone with the muzzle. When you say something or push the muzzle away from your direction he say "relax, its not loaded. I've neeb handling guns since before you were born."

Unintentional discharges are separated into two genres, negligent and accidental.

An equipment failure produces an accidental discharge.
If there was no equipment failure, it is, by definition, negligent (caused by the operator).

This is actually a textbook definition for the legal difference beween the two unintentional torts of neligence (where there is fault) and strict liability (product defect w/out fault). And Xavier is correct, reasonable foreseeability is one aspect that makes an accident negligent. Another is that the accident itself results is the proximate actual cause of harm to a person or peoperty. If the guy had damaged property or harmed someone in the discharge presented here he would definitely be negligently liable.
 
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