hilltopper55
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Greetings, What would you buy and put away before the next Clinton/Obama gun ban?
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Chipperman
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This question is asked at least once a day. Do a search.
Buy what you want and can afford.
People stocking up on stripped AR receivers could be in for a rude shock if/when a ban comes, depending on how it is worded.
Buy what you want and can afford.
People stocking up on stripped AR receivers could be in for a rude shock if/when a ban comes, depending on how it is worded.
Saiga 12
NukemJim
PS Upon further thought and reading about this "bullet ID" legislation that is having some success in state legislatures (they are working on in in IL and after the NIU shooting I am extremely concerned
) I would also acquire reloading gear and molds for making cast lead bullets along with a largest quantity of primers that I could afford. I strongly believe that these bills will not affect crime stats above the existing "noise" level and will only affect legal gun owners, but I thing we are likely to get them in IL 
NukemJim
NukemJim
PS Upon further thought and reading about this "bullet ID" legislation that is having some success in state legislatures (they are working on in in IL and after the NIU shooting I am extremely concerned
) I would also acquire reloading gear and molds for making cast lead bullets along with a largest quantity of primers that I could afford. I strongly believe that these bills will not affect crime stats above the existing "noise" level and will only affect legal gun owners, but I thing we are likely to get them in IL NukemJim
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Winchester 73
member
Greetings,
Since there isn't going to be one the question is moot.
Hokkmike
Member
I am not so confident as you, my friend.
Winchester 73
member
"Trust me." Indiana Jones 1936
threefeathers
member
I'm putting away high cap mags, colapsable stocks for AR's and am getting one more gas piston, probably a Sig 556 this time.
Bazooka Joe71
Member
Good question, I haven't given it much thought.
But seriously, do what chipperman said, buy what you want and what you can afford...If you can afford it, buy the whole rifle, we have no idea if it will be legal to build.
And of course truckloads of hi cap mags and ammo.
OMGWTFBBQ
Member
I'm not sure it won't get passed at all, but even if we do fail to kill it outright, I doubt we'll see it passed in it's current form, or even as as strong of a ban as the '94 AWB. I think we're in a better position today than we were 14 years ago with respect to public opinion, though the Bush administration's incompetence, whether simply perceived or not, has and will continue to bite us in the butt and will likely give the antis a fair shake at getting something passed. Hopefully we can win over some of the Democrats from more rural districts and states to oppose it(Both ND and MT are represented in the senate by Democrats), and kill it outright.
We also have Parker in the works, so things could really change between now and then.
Winchester 73
member
A very insightful,cogent analysis.
Thank you,OMGWTFBBQ.Another great handle.
We worried about Ed Kennedy and his proposed ban back in, what, '81? I dutifully went out and purchased an 8-inch Redhawk. --never regretted that. I think it's still the best "one-gun battery" and gave one to Son #1 for Christmas.
Certainly, citizens must maintain vigilance against those who would usurp our natural rights. Please don't panic.
I have always pushed my purchases to the limit of my wife's budget.
I continue to do so to this very moment. The fun part is, you get to shoot up the inventory as you rotate stock!
Certainly, citizens must maintain vigilance against those who would usurp our natural rights. Please don't panic.
I have always pushed my purchases to the limit of my wife's budget.
I continue to do so to this very moment. The fun part is, you get to shoot up the inventory as you rotate stock!Buy some of the "at risks" items now so that you have some skin in the game when it comes to voting.
Assuming you have some firearms experience already:
Buy at least one semi-auto pistol, a few mags that hold more than 10 rounds. A Glock, Springfield XD, CZ 75, or S&W M&P are good defaults. Then buy at least one AR15 or AK47 stye rifle with several 30-round mags.
Finally, buy 1,000 rounds of pistol and rifle ammo. Go out and have some fun with them at the range. Take a couple of friends and introduce them to the responsible use and fun of shooting gun ban "at risk" firearms.
Now, you might take it more personally when Congress, the supreme court, state legislature, or the President starts blabbering on about more gun laws or another assault weapons ban. And if you ever need a gun for self defense then you have two of the finest types ready at hand. Plus, they are likely never to be any less expensive so you have some investments that may appreciate.
Assuming you have some firearms experience already:
Buy at least one semi-auto pistol, a few mags that hold more than 10 rounds. A Glock, Springfield XD, CZ 75, or S&W M&P are good defaults. Then buy at least one AR15 or AK47 stye rifle with several 30-round mags.
Finally, buy 1,000 rounds of pistol and rifle ammo. Go out and have some fun with them at the range. Take a couple of friends and introduce them to the responsible use and fun of shooting gun ban "at risk" firearms.
Now, you might take it more personally when Congress, the supreme court, state legislature, or the President starts blabbering on about more gun laws or another assault weapons ban. And if you ever need a gun for self defense then you have two of the finest types ready at hand. Plus, they are likely never to be any less expensive so you have some investments that may appreciate.
Gunnerpalace
Member
Sorry to Hey-jack what did I miss? (before my time)
PointOneSeven
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I'm set for weapons. I'd be more concerned about feeding the guns I already have.
Winchester 73
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Gunnerpalace,this is what you missed.Aren't you lucky?
http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KennedyE.htm
THE HANDGUN CRIME CONTROL ACT OF 1981
by Senator Edward M. Kennedy*
On March 31, 1981, in a hotel ballroom, the President of the United States spoke to the members of the Building Trades. In that speech the President warned of the "violent crime that has surged¾making neighborhood streets unsafe and families fearful in their homes."[1] President Reagan then went out from that meeting to be shot on the unsafe streets of our Nation's Capital. A two second fusillade of bullets from a cheap handgun sent a too familiar fear into every home across the land.
Before the latest flash of gunfire fades from our conscience into the darker pages of our history, we must ask ourselves why we abide the continuing carnage of the gun and the bullet, the murderer and the assassin. This time, along with our fears and our tears and our shared feelings, must come a new sense of public purpose, a new national commitment to deal with a public question that has haunted us for nearly two decades¾the question of handgun control.
With the introduction of the Handgun Crime Control Act of 1981,[2] we launch a new effort in our Congress to end the arms race in our neighborhoods and streets that nearly took the President's life,[3] and that each year takes the lives of at least ten thousand [Page 2] Americans[4] and wounds or threatens hundreds of thousands more.[5] By this time tomorrow, twenty-nine more Americans will have died in handgun murders, and hundreds more will have been assaulted in handgun crimes.[6] Every day the relentless toll climbs higher.
Inaction is inexcusable.[7] It is time for Congress to stand up to the gun lobby and face up to its responsibility to deal with the epidemic of handgun violence that plagues the Nation.[8]
The Handgun Crime Control Act of 1981 is narrowly and carefully drafted to achieve its goal. The reasonable steps it seeks will not impair the legitimate rights of hunters and sportsmen, or prevent law-abiding citizens from acquiring guns for self-defense.[9] [Page 3]
This legislation offers the best and perhaps the only hope to end the arms race on our city streets and reduce the unacceptable rate of handgun crime that brings sudden death to thousands of innocent Americans every year.
While it is true that this legislation is opposed by a powerful special interest group whose treasury seems to be overflowing,[10] our most serious opponent remains the ill-informed citizen. Confusion about the ramifications of gun control legislation is rampant. Legislators, perhaps, are most guilty of adding to this confusion by repeating the often misleading political rhetoric espoused by the powerful and wealthy lobbies opposing gun control. In all candor, however, this is not an easy issue for any officeholder or candidate.
For example, in 1980, in the Presidential primaries, I constantly met union members¾men and women whose interests I have sought to represent throughout my career in public life¾who opposed me because they thought I favored confiscation of hunting rifles, long guns, and sporting pistols. It was not true. But it was believed because the gun lobby had repeated it many times. Other Senators and Representatives faced a similar assault in 1980. The political action committees opposing gun control spent over two million dollars for their candidates, while those on the other side had less than a tenth as much to contribute.[11] That is why we have failed to control the plague of handguns, even though seven out of ten Americans have favored such control ever since 1972.[12]Surprisingly, a majority of gun owners have joined the ranks of those supporting gun control legislation similar to that passed in my home [Page 4] state, Massachusetts.[13]
With the ramifications of gun control legislation so misunderstood, it is appropriate at this juncture that I outline what the legislation I am proprosing will and will not do:
It will ban the manufacture, sale and importation of Saturday night specials.[14]
It will require a twenty-one day waiting day period before the purchase of any other handgun,[15] so that dealers may contact law enforcement authorities and verify the purchaser's eligibility to own a handgun. Current law[16] prohibits sales to felons, persons with a history of mental illness, drug addicts, and persons under twenty-one, but there is no effective method to verify a purchaser's eligibility.
It will prohibit gun sales by pawnshops,[17] that is, any store which receives personal property as security for the repayment of money.
It will impose a mandatory minimum jail sentence of up to five years for using or carrying a handgun during the commission of a felony.[18]
It will require manufacturers to keep records of all handgun [Page 5] transfers,[19] so that law enforcement officers may trace handguns used in crimes.
It will require the theft or loss of a handgun to be reported to the authorities.[20] A fine would be imposed for failure to report the theft or loss of a handgun later used in a felony.[21]
It will prohibit dealers from selling more than two handguns to one person in a year.[22]
It will transfer the law enforcement functions from the Treasury Department to the Justice Department.[23]
As a result of enacting this legislation, no hunter would be denied the right to own hunting rifles or sporting pistols. It is unequivocally untrue that this piece of legislation would authorize the confiscation of hunting rifles and sporting pistols. No law-abiding citizen would lose the right to own a handgun with which he could protect his home or family. While many families rely upon the handgun for protection within the family abode, few, if any, families rely upon the Saturday night special for their safety. On the other hand, many criminals rely upon those guns as a source of instant and inexpensive firepower.[24]
Over fifty million handguns are now in circulation in this country.[25] This lethal number grows by two million annually.[26] By the [Page 6] year 2000, there will be eighty-eight million handguns in America.[27] Our Nation is armed to the teeth at home. Our society is now becoming an arsenal of criminal anarchy.[28]
In the past year alone, we have seen a thirteen percent rise in violent crime, the greatest increase in a dozen years.[29] The magnitude of handgun violence is often difficult to visualize. During the peak years of the Vietman war, approximately forty-five thousand United States soldiers died. Yet in the same period, approximately fifty thousand persons were murdered in the United States by handguns.[30] I recognize that handgun control is hardly the whole answer to lawlessness; that is why I have advocated other measures [Page 7] over many years.[31]
The bill we are introducing today is a moderate bill. It is a sensible bill and one all Americans should be able to support. All Americans, including sportsmen and hunters, should be able to support a ban on Saturday night specials and cheap handguns.[32] Saturday night specials are not accurate beyond a range of ten or fifteen feet. They are meant to maim or kill another human being. These inexpensive and poorly manufactured guns are now readily available because of a loophole in the law that allows their lethal parts to be imported from abroad, and then assembled and sold in this country.[33] One of those weapons almost killed our President.[34] [Page 8]
All Americans, including all liberals, should be able to support a mandatory minimum prison sentence for any felon who commits a crime with a handgun. And all Americans, including the National Rifle Association, should be able to support a waiting period for the purchase of handguns to prevent them from falling into the hands of criminals and psychopaths.[35] If the bill containing those provisions¾the bill I have fought for over the years¾had been in effect at that time, the alleged attacker of President Reagan could not have bought his gun and shot the President.[36]
There may be other solutions. I am willing to compromise on the provisions of this particular legislation. But I do not comprehend why anyone would oppose the central idea of this Act. The question is not whether we will disarm honest citizens, as some gun lobbyists have charged. Rather, the question is whether we will make it harder for those who break the law to arm themselves.[37] Gun control is not an easy issue, but for me it is a fundamental issue. My family has been touched by violence, and too many [Page 9] others have felt the same terrible force. Too many people have died.
Here in Washington, we remember Michael Halberstam.[38] and the shot that echoed across this city.
We all know the toll that has been taken across the Nation. We all know the leaders of our public life and of the human spirit who have been lost or wounded year after year:
My brother, John Kennedy,[39] and my brother, Robert Kennedy;[40]
Medgar Evers,[41] who died so that others could live free;
Martin Luther King,[42] the apostle of nonviolence who became [Page 10] the victim of violence;
George Wallace,[43] who has been paralyzed for nearly nine years;
And George Moscone,[44] the mayor of San Francisco who was killed in his office.
Last year alone, we lost Al Lowenstein,[45] and we almost lost Vernon Jordan.[46]
Recent history marks the death of John Lennon,[47] that gentle soul who challenged us in song to "give peace a chance."
We had two attacks on President Ford[48] and now one attack on [Page 11] President Reagan.[49] It is unacceptable that all these good men have been shot down. They all sought, each in their own way, to make ours a better world. Too often, too soon, their own world came to an end.
It is unacceptable that a man who has been arrested before, who has been apprehended carrying loaded guns through an airport security check, who apparently has psychiatric problems as well as a criminal record¾it is unacceptable that such a man should be able to go into a pawnshop and buy a cheap handgun imported because of a loophole in the law, and then use that gun in an attempt to murder the President of the United States.[50] It is unacceptable that there are states in the American Union today where the accused attacker of President Reagan could buy another Saturday night special.[51] Above all else, it is unacceptable for us to be silent or to do nothing.
At long last, let us pursue peace in our own country.[52] Let us recall the words of Robert Kennedy spoken the day after Martin Luther King's assassination:
The victims of the violence are black and white, rich and poor, young and old, famous and unknown. They are, most important of all, human beings whom other human beings loved and needed. No one, no matter where he lives or what he does, can be certain who next will suffer from some senseless act of bloodshed. And yet it goes on, and on, and on, in this country of ours. Why?[53]
Thirteen years later, that same tragic question must be raised again. Now it is for all of us to answer it. We must resolve that the next generation of Americans will not have to witness the carnage next time and ask¾"Why?"
This article, slightly modified, was taken from a speech delivered on the floor of the United States Senate on April 9, 1981, where Senator Edward M. Kennedy introduced the Handgun Crime Control Act of 1981. Our gratitude is extended to Associate Editor Steve O. Thornton who was responsible for transforming this speech into proper law review form, a task involving many hours of research.
http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KennedyE.htm
THE HANDGUN CRIME CONTROL ACT OF 1981
by Senator Edward M. Kennedy*
On March 31, 1981, in a hotel ballroom, the President of the United States spoke to the members of the Building Trades. In that speech the President warned of the "violent crime that has surged¾making neighborhood streets unsafe and families fearful in their homes."[1] President Reagan then went out from that meeting to be shot on the unsafe streets of our Nation's Capital. A two second fusillade of bullets from a cheap handgun sent a too familiar fear into every home across the land.
Before the latest flash of gunfire fades from our conscience into the darker pages of our history, we must ask ourselves why we abide the continuing carnage of the gun and the bullet, the murderer and the assassin. This time, along with our fears and our tears and our shared feelings, must come a new sense of public purpose, a new national commitment to deal with a public question that has haunted us for nearly two decades¾the question of handgun control.
With the introduction of the Handgun Crime Control Act of 1981,[2] we launch a new effort in our Congress to end the arms race in our neighborhoods and streets that nearly took the President's life,[3] and that each year takes the lives of at least ten thousand [Page 2] Americans[4] and wounds or threatens hundreds of thousands more.[5] By this time tomorrow, twenty-nine more Americans will have died in handgun murders, and hundreds more will have been assaulted in handgun crimes.[6] Every day the relentless toll climbs higher.
Inaction is inexcusable.[7] It is time for Congress to stand up to the gun lobby and face up to its responsibility to deal with the epidemic of handgun violence that plagues the Nation.[8]
The Handgun Crime Control Act of 1981 is narrowly and carefully drafted to achieve its goal. The reasonable steps it seeks will not impair the legitimate rights of hunters and sportsmen, or prevent law-abiding citizens from acquiring guns for self-defense.[9] [Page 3]
This legislation offers the best and perhaps the only hope to end the arms race on our city streets and reduce the unacceptable rate of handgun crime that brings sudden death to thousands of innocent Americans every year.
While it is true that this legislation is opposed by a powerful special interest group whose treasury seems to be overflowing,[10] our most serious opponent remains the ill-informed citizen. Confusion about the ramifications of gun control legislation is rampant. Legislators, perhaps, are most guilty of adding to this confusion by repeating the often misleading political rhetoric espoused by the powerful and wealthy lobbies opposing gun control. In all candor, however, this is not an easy issue for any officeholder or candidate.
For example, in 1980, in the Presidential primaries, I constantly met union members¾men and women whose interests I have sought to represent throughout my career in public life¾who opposed me because they thought I favored confiscation of hunting rifles, long guns, and sporting pistols. It was not true. But it was believed because the gun lobby had repeated it many times. Other Senators and Representatives faced a similar assault in 1980. The political action committees opposing gun control spent over two million dollars for their candidates, while those on the other side had less than a tenth as much to contribute.[11] That is why we have failed to control the plague of handguns, even though seven out of ten Americans have favored such control ever since 1972.[12]Surprisingly, a majority of gun owners have joined the ranks of those supporting gun control legislation similar to that passed in my home [Page 4] state, Massachusetts.[13]
With the ramifications of gun control legislation so misunderstood, it is appropriate at this juncture that I outline what the legislation I am proprosing will and will not do:
It will ban the manufacture, sale and importation of Saturday night specials.[14]
It will require a twenty-one day waiting day period before the purchase of any other handgun,[15] so that dealers may contact law enforcement authorities and verify the purchaser's eligibility to own a handgun. Current law[16] prohibits sales to felons, persons with a history of mental illness, drug addicts, and persons under twenty-one, but there is no effective method to verify a purchaser's eligibility.
It will prohibit gun sales by pawnshops,[17] that is, any store which receives personal property as security for the repayment of money.
It will impose a mandatory minimum jail sentence of up to five years for using or carrying a handgun during the commission of a felony.[18]
It will require manufacturers to keep records of all handgun [Page 5] transfers,[19] so that law enforcement officers may trace handguns used in crimes.
It will require the theft or loss of a handgun to be reported to the authorities.[20] A fine would be imposed for failure to report the theft or loss of a handgun later used in a felony.[21]
It will prohibit dealers from selling more than two handguns to one person in a year.[22]
It will transfer the law enforcement functions from the Treasury Department to the Justice Department.[23]
As a result of enacting this legislation, no hunter would be denied the right to own hunting rifles or sporting pistols. It is unequivocally untrue that this piece of legislation would authorize the confiscation of hunting rifles and sporting pistols. No law-abiding citizen would lose the right to own a handgun with which he could protect his home or family. While many families rely upon the handgun for protection within the family abode, few, if any, families rely upon the Saturday night special for their safety. On the other hand, many criminals rely upon those guns as a source of instant and inexpensive firepower.[24]
Over fifty million handguns are now in circulation in this country.[25] This lethal number grows by two million annually.[26] By the [Page 6] year 2000, there will be eighty-eight million handguns in America.[27] Our Nation is armed to the teeth at home. Our society is now becoming an arsenal of criminal anarchy.[28]
In the past year alone, we have seen a thirteen percent rise in violent crime, the greatest increase in a dozen years.[29] The magnitude of handgun violence is often difficult to visualize. During the peak years of the Vietman war, approximately forty-five thousand United States soldiers died. Yet in the same period, approximately fifty thousand persons were murdered in the United States by handguns.[30] I recognize that handgun control is hardly the whole answer to lawlessness; that is why I have advocated other measures [Page 7] over many years.[31]
The bill we are introducing today is a moderate bill. It is a sensible bill and one all Americans should be able to support. All Americans, including sportsmen and hunters, should be able to support a ban on Saturday night specials and cheap handguns.[32] Saturday night specials are not accurate beyond a range of ten or fifteen feet. They are meant to maim or kill another human being. These inexpensive and poorly manufactured guns are now readily available because of a loophole in the law that allows their lethal parts to be imported from abroad, and then assembled and sold in this country.[33] One of those weapons almost killed our President.[34] [Page 8]
All Americans, including all liberals, should be able to support a mandatory minimum prison sentence for any felon who commits a crime with a handgun. And all Americans, including the National Rifle Association, should be able to support a waiting period for the purchase of handguns to prevent them from falling into the hands of criminals and psychopaths.[35] If the bill containing those provisions¾the bill I have fought for over the years¾had been in effect at that time, the alleged attacker of President Reagan could not have bought his gun and shot the President.[36]
There may be other solutions. I am willing to compromise on the provisions of this particular legislation. But I do not comprehend why anyone would oppose the central idea of this Act. The question is not whether we will disarm honest citizens, as some gun lobbyists have charged. Rather, the question is whether we will make it harder for those who break the law to arm themselves.[37] Gun control is not an easy issue, but for me it is a fundamental issue. My family has been touched by violence, and too many [Page 9] others have felt the same terrible force. Too many people have died.
Here in Washington, we remember Michael Halberstam.[38] and the shot that echoed across this city.
We all know the toll that has been taken across the Nation. We all know the leaders of our public life and of the human spirit who have been lost or wounded year after year:
My brother, John Kennedy,[39] and my brother, Robert Kennedy;[40]
Medgar Evers,[41] who died so that others could live free;
Martin Luther King,[42] the apostle of nonviolence who became [Page 10] the victim of violence;
George Wallace,[43] who has been paralyzed for nearly nine years;
And George Moscone,[44] the mayor of San Francisco who was killed in his office.
Last year alone, we lost Al Lowenstein,[45] and we almost lost Vernon Jordan.[46]
Recent history marks the death of John Lennon,[47] that gentle soul who challenged us in song to "give peace a chance."
We had two attacks on President Ford[48] and now one attack on [Page 11] President Reagan.[49] It is unacceptable that all these good men have been shot down. They all sought, each in their own way, to make ours a better world. Too often, too soon, their own world came to an end.
It is unacceptable that a man who has been arrested before, who has been apprehended carrying loaded guns through an airport security check, who apparently has psychiatric problems as well as a criminal record¾it is unacceptable that such a man should be able to go into a pawnshop and buy a cheap handgun imported because of a loophole in the law, and then use that gun in an attempt to murder the President of the United States.[50] It is unacceptable that there are states in the American Union today where the accused attacker of President Reagan could buy another Saturday night special.[51] Above all else, it is unacceptable for us to be silent or to do nothing.
At long last, let us pursue peace in our own country.[52] Let us recall the words of Robert Kennedy spoken the day after Martin Luther King's assassination:
The victims of the violence are black and white, rich and poor, young and old, famous and unknown. They are, most important of all, human beings whom other human beings loved and needed. No one, no matter where he lives or what he does, can be certain who next will suffer from some senseless act of bloodshed. And yet it goes on, and on, and on, in this country of ours. Why?[53]
Thirteen years later, that same tragic question must be raised again. Now it is for all of us to answer it. We must resolve that the next generation of Americans will not have to witness the carnage next time and ask¾"Why?"
This article, slightly modified, was taken from a speech delivered on the floor of the United States Senate on April 9, 1981, where Senator Edward M. Kennedy introduced the Handgun Crime Control Act of 1981. Our gratitude is extended to Associate Editor Steve O. Thornton who was responsible for transforming this speech into proper law review form, a task involving many hours of research.
Ala Dan
Member in memoriam
Guns and Ammo: any of those black evil rifles (AR-15's/M-16's), a few
AK-47's, FN "Bull Pups" and 5.7 x 28mm pistols, and as many cases of
ammo as my budget could afford~!
AK-47's, FN "Bull Pups" and 5.7 x 28mm pistols, and as many cases of
ammo as my budget could afford~!
doc2rn
Member
Mags and ammo.
Neo-Luddite
Member
Don't put anything away.
Cannonball888
Member
There likely isn't going to be a ban. Every politician knows what happened to the careers of all those who voted in favor of it.
For those newbies who were too young to remember the aftermath of the Clinton AWB:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxBJaAioXE0
For those newbies who were too young to remember the aftermath of the Clinton AWB:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxBJaAioXE0
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