Gun "Cache" found in northeast US?

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A belive in the state of Mass you have to register all your firearms, and he did not register them.

How many states are like this? That would suck
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Massachusetts: Firearms and feeding devices for firearms are divided into classes. Depending on the class, a firearm identification card (FID) or class A license or class B license is required to possess, purchase, or carry a firearm, ammunition thereof, or firearm feeding device, or "large capacity feeding device."

http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/compendium.htm

He is being arrested as he did not have a FID card, though as metioned, the shotgun might be illeagal :fire:
 
Blatent yellow journalism. I would be ashamed to have this vomit printed in my local paper. If they want to report the facts that is fine but when they start spinning (and man you'd need a tachometer to keep track of the rpm's in this article) they lose all credibility with me. In fact there are so many examples of spin in this article that I have a hard time simply believing the accuracy of any of the other "facts" presented.

Examples of needless spin...

-amassed an arsenal
-massive cache of guns, knives and ammo ("massive cache" is used 3 or 4 times)
-an inert bomb (Um, if it's inert it's not a bomb, just a hunk of metal).
-more than 1,000 live rounds of ammunition (adding live makes them sound especially dangerous, like they have a will of their own).
-Eldridge, a mason, sold the property to Webster (had to get that "evil secret society" angle in there)

And the crowning glory...
About a month before, she received a restraining order against Webster. It was that order that sparked the eventual discovery of the gun stockpile
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Ah so the latest wife and the guy were trading restraining orders and then, by some miracle, the whole issue of the guns came up. Imagine that.

So basically the only actual facts we know are that this guy had firearms but did not have the license that is apparently required in his state. The rest of the "information" is made suspect by the blatant spin and sensationalism.
 
Another spin in the article "live"ammunition.

As opposed to what? Spent cartridges aren't ammunition and I've never heard of dead ammunition.

Suprise, suprise, the press didn't use: Deadly live ammunition
 
I'm unclear on what Massachusetts laws Webster is supposed to have violated. Certainly, collecting/accumulating a bunch of guns isn't illegal--as long as they are obtained properly. The press and LE are spinning the details bigtime.

OTOH, based on his history, Webster seems like he just might be an accident-waiting-to-happen kind of guy.
 
Zip7 is right. He still had guns after he was under a restraining order.
There's also the fact that Mass. is very anti-gun to begin with, thus the media hysteria.
 
I wonder how this will play out post-Heller. He had guns at his home. I can see the restraining order= we take your guns getting struck down. The FID might go away too after the next round.
 
He had a M1a and a couple Ar's I wouldnt mind having...:rolleyes: maby they should sell guns (of the non-evidence type) at police auctions with all the rest of the crap they sell. It would get a bunch of gun owners in the door to look at all the other stuff up for auction
 
A good lawyer will have him set up for life. I hope he gets his guns back.

What if along with the house he got the contents and they where actually bought by the disceased.
 
If 50 guns and 1000 rounds is a 'massive cache ', then I would be in deep doo-doo. Thank God I do not live there!
 
British commander Major Pitcairn ordered the Americans on the Lexington Common ` to lay down their arms and retreat`. The American Revolution against tyrannical British govenment commenced. Lexington Common is in Massachusetts. Now this. Massachusetts has returned it`s loyalty to tyrannical government. I`m looking forward to lawsuits against Massachesetts` antigun laws.
 
"Why do the socialists always take over the best vacation spots?"

Because if they lived elsewhere, they might have to get jobs.

I was pondering a trip to the local gun shop tomorrow to pick up 1,000 rounds of .30 caliber. Wonder if I'll get flagged as an "amasser"? Wait, maybe not, I live in Texas.
 
The massive cache of guns, knives and ammo — a .50-caliber handgun and .50-caliber sniper rifle, sawed-off shotguns, high-powered assault rifles, an inert bomb, throwing knives, bayonets and more than 1,000 live rounds, according to police and prosecutors — was seized when Barnstable police raided his house at 3640 Falmouth Road on Tuesday after arresting him at his parents' home on Wakeby Road earlier in the day.
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Ho-hum. Assuming the shotgun barrels were 18.000000001 inches and the LOA was 26.000000001 inches, I don't see a problem with them.

After all, a shotgun only becomes really, really, really dangerous if the barrel is 18.00000000 inches and it's LOA is 26.00000000 inches.

At room temperature, of course. Fire a few rounds through it to warm it up and it'll be legal again.


Webster's motive for building up such a massive cache was still under investigation, Barnstable Detective Sgt. John Murphy said.
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"Hey. Mr. Webster, what's your motive for having all that hardware?"

"Motive? I need a motive?"

The whole article sounds as if it were written by a gossip columnist.
 
A belive in the state of Mass you have to register all your firearms, and he did not register them.

How many states are like this? That would suck
Massachusetts: Firearms and feeding devices for firearms are divided into classes. Depending on the class, a firearm identification card (FID) or class A license or class B license is required to possess, purchase, or carry a firearm, ammunition thereof, or firearm feeding device, or "large capacity feeding device."

http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/compendium.htm

He is being arrested as he did not have a FID card, though as metioned, the shotgun might be illeagal
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correct
MA you need an FID for non "high cap" long guns
and LTC class B for non high cap long and handguns
and or an LTC Class A for hicap long and hand

we dont have a straight forward registration. we have a defacto registration through the FA-10 forms. which are "report of sale" forms

while MA does suck. big time. we recently voted to stick it to the gov and the house has passed a bill dropping the license fee from 100 to 40$ ( the gov tried to up it to 200) so thats good

many of you are quick to dump on the state when its clear,

Article said:
Webster does not have a firearms license in Massachusetts or any other state, prosecutor Matthew Kelley said in court.
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seems like while he had no ill intent, and wasn't morally wrong. legally speaking he is wrong.
 
O.K. there's a lot of confusion here about what MA laws he has broken.

In MA you need at least an FID card to own ANY guns or ammunition at all. So he's broken the law there. There are also Firearms Licenses of varying levels that allow hi-caps, handguns, and CCW. This guy apparently had no license of any kind. That makes all of the guns and ammo illegal for him to possess.

Legally, the number of guns and amount of ammo here are irrelevant. That's just the media making a big deal out of it. You can own as many guns as you can afford as long as you have a license. There are limits to ammunition that can be owned without a permit, but that's actually a fire code, not a legal code. 1K rounds isn't even close to that restriction.

I live in MA, and have a Class A non-restricted license. That means I can own rifles, shotguns, handguns, and hi-cap mags. I also have a Machine Gun License, which allows me to buy and own machine guns in MA. The AWB is still in effect in MA, so any hi-caps must be Pre-94, and newer handguns that are non on the approved list cannot be sold by dealers. They are still legal to own tough, if you buy them privately.

edit: Hoppy590 posted while I was typing. to add one more thing, if you move into MA with guns that you already own, they do NOT need to be registered. Any guns purchased while a resident of MA DO need to be registered. You still need a license to own any guns in MA, even if they are not registered. Stupid, yes.
 
50 guns and 1000 rounds huh? 20 rounds per gun is sad, there should have been a fundraiser to buy him more ammo.

I believe what happened to him could happen to any of you in any state, no? If you get a restrainining order against you, you generally have to turn in your guns (at least temporarily). That's what happened to him - this was compounded by the fact that he was too dumb to get a license. How can you own 50 guns, live in MA, and not realize you need a license to possess them?

I wonder if he ever had a license, or if his simply expired and he didn't realize it. There used to even be a lifetime license in MA (which I believe Romney did away with). With the way the article is written with anti-gun sentiment, I'm sure they would intentionally leave that information out. For all we know it could have been a simple oversight as not realizing that licensing requirements had changed.

The only thing that's really ugly is the "journalism" displayed. They point out all the "scary" stuff in his "cache", .50 cal this and that, inert bomb (who cares, it's a paperweight), when in fact none of that stuff is illegal in MA. The exception being the sawed-off if it was below legal length and he didn't do it legally.

Dope
 
You need a firearms license to own ammo in MA too. You need it to even get pepper spray. Even ammo components are illegal without a license.

Dope
 
in 1988 she filed for a temporary restraining order
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He had knocked out two of her teeth and was ordered to pay her dental bills, according to court documents.
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About a month before, she received a restraining order against Webster.
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The article never stated whether he was charged with any degree of domestic violence but I have to think he wasn't charged or convicted -
Before this month, Webster had no criminal record in Massachusetts
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Maybe the restraining orders were enough in his state to ban him from owning weapons (?) or maybe it was the sawed-off shotgun (nothing illegal about that unless he sawed the barrel to less than 16".
 
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