Grenade launchers, machine guns, C-4, weapons cache stuns agents

[expvideo]

Except in WA.

Civilian possession of machineguns and destructive devices are prohibited in WA.

Only NFA firearms you can own in WA are any-other weapons and noise suppressors.
However, you can not legally install a noise suppressor onto a firearm in WA (you can own them, but can't use them).

Again, it is not illegal to attach a suppressor. It is only illegal to shoot through a suppressor. The wording of the law says that it is illegal to use a device or contrivance to muffle the report of a firearm. That means that you can't shoot bullets through it., Attaching it isn't muffling anything. If it was illegal to attach it, the law would say that it is illegal to use any device capable of muffling the report of a firearm. If it was worded like that, then "use" could be interpretted to mean "attach". But since you have to "use" it "to muffle the report", that means that it is only illegal if you suppress the noise of a gunshot (AKA, fire a bullet through it).

If you don't believe me, please call Discount Gun Sales (one of the leading retailers of suppressors in the Puget Sound area) at 206-417-1625. They will tell you the same thing. You can buy, own and even attach a suppressor, but firing rounds through it is illegal. That is all that is illegal.

 

[Dr. Fresh]

I love how they think 500 rounds per minute is a "high rate of fire." That's pretty low for a full-auto.

Also, doesn't the Sten gun fire at more like 900 rpm?

 

[Treo]

I can't believe that some of you guys are siding with him on this one. That is just nuts.

I guess I'm just a nut then. In the words of Texas State Legislator Suzanna Gratia Hupp ( who is totally hot BTW) the purpose of the second amendment isn't to protect us from bad guys it's to protect us from the Government.

 

[woodfiend]

Shouldn't be an issue at all. He didn't hurt anyone.

Umm. How would you feel if your next door neighbor had 60 grenades, 6 blocks of C4, and 37 machine guns? The machine guns were a little alarming to me, but WHO IN THE WORLD needs high explosives of that design? Come on! What the heck would you do with that? I think we need to start trusting our big brother and accept that he could have been a terrorist.

 

[Bullnettles]

I dunno about you, but do you realized how easy cutting timber would be with that much C4? I forget the word for it, but I would be willing to bet you could take down 1000 trees in a click of a button . As for the guy, yes he broke the law, but some of you are seeing the law as the end-all. Laws are sometimes wrong and ever-changing. The only part I see wrong with the whole thing is that these were potentially stolen, which does bug me. The rest of it in competent hands is no more harmful than gasoline. Yes, it can be very bad if in the wrong hands, but if people use them responsibly, like gas is everyday, what's the big deal. OKC wasn't done with C4. If bad people want to do something, sadly they will find a way.

 

[RedAlert]

Let's not forget that any responsible person will not make public statements until they are assured that they are in full possession of all the facts.

The newspaper article, I'm sure is based on first observations, and perhaps by persons who are not experts. I suspect that is the reason that the agent made statements that are in the vein of "Looks like" "Appears to be" etc so they don't serve as fuel for the court system.

That is why the statement seem so "wishy washy" to us.

I do agree, that there is no personal reason a member of the general public needs grenades nor C4 explosives. I'm know there are rational needs for professionals to have such components, but we expect them to be in magazines in protected training compounds; not your local storage shed.

What if, kids or thieves broke in and stole the items. For sure if they died during the use of them I'd not cry. But, I'd sure feel sorry for innocent people who became "Collateral Damage."

For these reasons we have laws of usage, ownership, and possession.

 

[Zoogster]

The machine guns were a little alarming to me, but WHO IN THE WORLD needs high explosives of that design? Come on! What the heck would you do with that? I think we need to start trusting our big brother and accept that he could have been a terrorist.

Even the article does not reach that conclusion and they like to sensationalize things for publicity, and those seeking prosecutions (like the ATF spokeperson is working towards) like to sensationalize for convictions.
Yet even the conclusion they reach is it was some 65 year old man merely stockpiling illegal weapons for a SHTF scenario, which they refer to as "Armageddon".

So it most likely was not someone intent on causing harm.


As for why someone picturing a SHTF scenario would have such things:
You really think average small arms are going to do much to tanks or armored vehicles? Even the explosives themselves would not be very harmful unless used to create shaped charges.
However distribution of information about construction of something someone might use for any illegal purpose is a violation of the Feinstein Amendment created by Diane FeinStein in 1997 (the staunch anti-gunner also responsible for a lot of other bills like the AWB, the same one who sat beside Obama and organized his inauguration.) So one cannot really go into any detail there (what is the First Amendment?).
The insurgents in Iraq though have had a lot more success with IEDs and RPGs (which have numerous different warhead types, some much more effective) against modern forces than engaging with rifles. It is not a far stretch to assume similar requirments would exist in some SHTF scenarios.

 

[DRYHUMOR]

You just never know what might turn up at those storage shed auctions...

I think I'll start going to them.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

The only problem I see here is if he stole that stuff.

Woody

 

[Treo]

Umm. How would you feel if your next door neighbor had 60 grenades, 6 blocks of C4, and 37 machine guns

Jealous

 

[woodfiend]

Okay, yeah he was going to blow down 1000 trees simultaneously. Except that he had silencers, machine guns, and grenades. That makes sense guys.

That should cause alarm to any sane person. He wasn't going to have fun with it, he was going to kill people, in any end, that's what it would have been for. Face it. That's what his arsenal was for. Period. Killing people. And, he got it illegally. He's going to jail for an extremely long time. End of conversation.

 

[Bullnettles]

I was being facetious about the trees, calm down man. As for the killing of people, that's what guns were invented for, it's a fact. Which people is a good question here.

 

[sturmgewehr667]

Umm. How would you feel if your next door neighbor had 60 grenades, 6 blocks of C4, and 37 machine guns

i would feel happy knowing that my neighbor exorcising his rights, legal or not. he is bold enough not to comply with the oppressive laws made by the anti gun fascists.

 

[Halo is for Kids]

Wonder what they didn't find???

 

[Wyo_F-A]

in Washington State. Machine guns are a no-no even with a stamp.
Sliencers with papers are OK as long as you don't put them on a gun.

this leaves me scratching my head.

"yes you may own that wonderful piece of equipment, but don't use it for its intended purpose"

i can definitely say that my neighbors in the county prefer my late night range sessions 'muffled'.

 

[SamG.]

Quote:
Umm. How would you feel if your next door neighbor had 60 grenades, 6 blocks of C4, and 37 machine guns


i would feel happy knowing that my neighbor exorcising his rights, legal or not. he is bold enough not to comply with the oppressive laws made by the anti gun fascists.

You people are on the 3rd level of stupidity (there are only three levels)

 

[Wyo_F-A]

i would feel happy knowing that my neighbor exorcising his rights, legal or not. he is bold enough not to comply with the oppressive laws made by the anti gun fascists.

+1

 

[wyocarp]

I too wish I could find a storage unit like that to purchase. I'm so fed up with this country.

 

[SamG.]

you people make me laugh

 

[Titan6]

That should cause alarm to any sane person. He wasn't going to have fun with it, he was going to kill people, in any end, that's what it would have been for. Face it. That's what his arsenal was for. Period. Killing people.

Yeah umm we haven't had any hardcore antis here for a while.

Welcome aboard!

 

[divemedic]

I don't understand why anyone would be any more nervous about a neighbor owning 100 machine guns then they would about a neighbor owning a single crossbow or a sword. Heck, even a hammer.

How many ties do we tell the anti's that guns don't kill, people kill. Then we go and prove it by being just as hoplophobic. If a person wants to kill you, you are just as dead if shot by his daddy's break open 20 gauge as you are if he shoots you with a bazooka.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Umm. How would you feel if your next door neighbor had 60 grenades, 6 blocks of C4, and 37 machine guns

I'll chime up against the majority here. I have no problem with machineguns, they should be perfectly legal for any law abiding person to possess, but the destructive devices area whole 'nother ballgame. I wouldn't want some yahoo storing explosives in a shed by where I live.

Another thing to realize, is that the pacific northwest has a high concentration of white supremacists, so it would be reasonable to assume that this man could possibly be affiliated and up to no good.

 

[Titan6]

Another thing to realize, is that the pacific northwest has a high concentration of white supremacists, so it would be reasonable to assume that this man could possibly be affiliated and up to no good.

But of course.

I always make the jump from illegal guns to White Supremacist whenever I watch Cops on TV. It is only natural. Anyone else want to jump in and help out the cause a little more? Anymore help like the last few comments and I might just turn my guns over to the police tonight.

 

[Gungnir]

Interesting story, and near me too.

My thoughts, it's a news report. I'll delay my judgment on whether what he did or had was illegal, until after he is tried and acquitted or found guilty. I thought innocent until proven guilty was a cornerstone of justice, not innocent until sensationalized by the media.

Of course if they might invoke the Patriot act, which would suspend my judgment on this situation indefinitely.

I'm sure that we'll find out what happened in the coming weeks, speculation on these things is never helpful.

 

[SamG.]

Quote:
Umm. How would you feel if your next door neighbor had 60 grenades, 6 blocks of C4, and 37 machine guns


i would feel happy knowing that my neighbor exorcising his rights, legal or not. he is bold enough not to comply with the oppressive laws made by the anti gun fascists.

Having high explosives is not your "right" There is nothing in the constitution having anything to do with C4. It protects your right to keep and bear arms, not explosives. You people are straight from survivalistboards....