Gun climate/culture in mountain states...

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We don't have all good guys here.
There's Jackson, a suburb of California.
Cheyenne and Laramie, suburbs of Denver.
But other than that it's all pretty nice,
I know just about everyone in this valley I live in except for a few new outsiders and I can tell you there are way more guns than people. :D
 
Considering a move to:

Colorado
Wyoming
New Mexico
Idaho

What is the overall "gun culture" of each state? I know they're all gun friendly, but to what degree and any idiosyncrasies that would suprise me?
What are the areas of the state to avoid?


IMO as a rule in Colorado, Front Range with the large population centers, not so good, Western Slope very pro gun.
 
I moved from SoCal to metro Denver in 1977. I was so impressed with the lifestyle and circumstances, I bought in and converted to Coloradoism.

Since then, we've been flooded with Reds and it has been so disappointing to see the little kindnesses and generosities, once the norm of everyday people, devolve into their "What's In It For Me?" entitlement psychosis and racism.

For you young ones, there is nothing 'blue' about leftists, they've been Red since at least the 19th century.

If I ever have the means, I'm checking out for points where people love Liberty more than spending time conniving to separate me from the fruits of my labor for pet "If-It-Feels-Good,-Do-It-I-Know-Better-Than-You" redistribution schemes.
 
@ BigE, I'm in Moscow. Coeur d'Alene is gun friendly as far as l know. Its really the university people and some local govt in Moscow who are vocally anti gun.
Those darned Vandals...

Colorado was also on my short list too live in too. Just like every state you have higher densities of groups of people. People criticize CA as so anti, but where I'm from in the SJ Valley you will find a lot of pro gun and conservatives. (Except for the union people and laborers) since we are all farmers and country folk.

Not to hijack the thread but I've considered Wisconsin as a state as they seem to be more gun friendly than MN. I also like beer, cheese and the Packers so guns arent always my top priority...
 
I lived in Albuquerque 10+ years and it isn't as bad as the other posters might have you think (some exaggeration maybe? or paranoia?).

I plan on going back to ABQ. Definitely conceal carry though, and remember no castle doctrine law. Very friendly gun laws, class III included, and lots of open land to shoot on (just watch for ATVers driving over your backstops!).
 
Holy crap, I thought we had rattlers here in New Mexico. I've killed 2 on my property already this year and I only kill the ones close to the house. If I ran up on that bunch out where I shoot, I'd need more ammo, and I carry a LOT!! :what:
 
I don't live there, but I spend a lot of time in WY.

I can say that it is one of the most gun friendly places in the country.

I got pulled over outside of Casper in January (speeding..... It's really easy to speed there because there are many many miles of nothing between places...... unless you look closely. Then there is lots to see as I'm sure the residents would agree.). I was in the middle of no where. The cop asked me for my registration, and I realized mt SP101 was sitting on top of my owner's manual in the center counsole, which is where my registration is. I told the cop right away that I was armed and that I would need to move my gun to get to the registration. (This was poor planning, I know.) He thanked me for telling him and just asked me to do it slowly. I asked him if he wanted to see my cc permit and he just smiled and laughed and said "No thanks! This is Wyoming! You don't need a permit here." I said "Oh that's right, I forgot where I was for a second." He laughed at that in understanding. The western sage brush country lets the mind wander while you are driving across it. It's therapeautic.

I got a $68 ticket (no biggie) and went on my way.

The people are either really friendly in Wyoming, or they leave you alone. I'd wager also that in a public place, more law abiding citizens are armed than not in many places in Wyoming. I'd move to various locations in Wyoming in a heart beat if I were married. But I'm not, so I won't. There is a real deficite of women in Wyoming. Of course there is here too. Maybe that's why I spend all my money on guns.
 
We don't have all good guys here.
There's Jackson, a suburb of California.
Cheyenne and Laramie, suburbs of Denver.
But other than that it's all pretty nice,
I know just about everyone in this valley I live in except for a few new outsiders and I can tell you there are way more guns than people.

LOL! This is true. I love that you can go to Wyoming and see 4 digit license plates on cars. I'm waiting to see #1.
 
I live and work in the Denver metro area. I have previously lived and worked in Pueblo and Fort Collins, and have worked in Cheyenne.

Wyoming definitely has a more small town feel to the state, but you'll have to find work if you end up going that direction (oil and gas industry is booming in some areas up there). Colorado is still a pretty darn gun friendly state. Sure, we've had a lot of CA influence lately, but they still haven't been able to attack core issues with gun ownership.

For example:

1) CCW permits work statewide.
2) Few places are restricted from concealed carry, and signs on businesses don't carry the force of law to prevent concealed carry.
3) Carrying a handgun concealed in your car does not require a permit. It is considered an extension of your home.
4) You can pretty much get any type of gun you want in this state (including NFA items).
 
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I lived in Albuquerque, NM for four years until 2010. Then I moved to Prescott AZ. ABQ is a fairly nice place to live. Nice sized town. Big but not huge.

You definitely want to get a carry ticket there. PM me if you want a reference for the very best CHL class. In most towns, you can stay out of the "bad" parts of town and be safe. In ABQ, the criminals come to you. I didn't have any incidents while living there but got educated watching the evening news.

The police there are pretty pro-active regarding gangs. But like all PDs, their job is really to arrest suspects AFTER they have committed a crime... Not to provide personal security for my family and me.

If you move to ABQ, keep your gun where you can draw it while driving. Take your keys in your hand and lock your car while filling up. Look around before unlocking and getting back in. Buy a very small and bright flash light to carry with you if you have to approach your car in a parking lot at night. Use it.

If you get rear-ended, especially a light one and especially, especially if the car in front of you also backs up, stay in the car and call the non-emergency cop number. Do not get out of your car until the cops show up. Keep the windows rolled up. Get a picture with your cell phone if you are approached.

While in your home, keep your gun on your coffee table while watching TV. Gangs have been known to break down doors. Even dressed like cops. There is a real good chance real cops would not do this if you are a straight arrow. I was always prepered to come up shooting if anyone had broken my door down.

NM is a state where you will be sued in civil court if you are involved in a shooting SD situation... Even if the cops do not charge you. It is also considered a "Gold Mine" state by the lawyers. You will probably shoot a Hispanic. You will probably have a Hispanic judge and certainly a Hispanic jury. The judges in NM are elected. And they are only interested in getting reelected. The "victim's" family, all 35 of them, will be sitting in the peanut gallery during the trial. The awards are humongous. I got a $1M umbrella policy while I lived there. It ran about $240 a year with USAA.

NM has the kind of legal environment where a person is not considered an alcoholic until they have double-digit DUI convictions. Pretty tough standard. The judges just turn them loose. I don't know why the cops even bother with DUIs. But they do. I guess it helps their crime statistics.

My experience with ABQ was a very good one. But be prepared to defend yourself. It can be a very dangerous place. And it's only four hours from ABQ to Mexico if you only drive five over the speed limit. Of course, there are no wet backs in NM acording to their state legislature. Sorry, I meant illegal aliens.
You paint a pretty poor picture of Albuquerque for someone who says they had a "good experience" there. I've lived and worked in the Albuquerque area as a LEO since 1988 and in NM since 1977. The problems you speak of are pretty much confined to the South Valley and 5 Points areas. Yes there is a gang problem but both APD and BCSO are proactive. Statistically it's safer than Phoenix where I live now.
 
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You paint a pretty poor picture of Albuquerque for someone who says they had a "good experience" there. I've lived and worked in the Albuquerque area as a LEO since 1988 and in NM since 1977. The problems you speak of are pretty much confined to the South Valley and 5 Points areas. Yes there is a gang problem but both APD and BCSO are proactive. Isn't that Zip in NE ABQ?
 
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You paint a pretty poor picture of Albuquerque for someone who says they had a "good experience" there.


There was a reason such a small city was featured on COPS TV show extensively.... I graduated HS there (Del Norte HS) and UNM many moons ago...
Illegal Road Blocks, Crime, High Unemployment... No thanks.

Some of my family still lives in NM so I do visit and hunt. but will never move back...
 
I moved to Montana from Colorado about 11 years ago. When I came to visit my inlaws I was so struck by the shear beauty and size, not to mention the millions of acres of public land that surrounds me, I went back to work and told my boss that I am retiring and moving to Montana. Montana has everything Colorado has (and more of it) except the 14ers. It takes a day to drive across the state, yet there are less than a million residents. Gun laws are very friendly. You don't need a CWP to carry concealed except in incorporated cities. Then, in your vehicle a gun in the glovebox is fine anywhere. A CWP is easily obtained, otherwise. Firearms and hunting is deeply engrained in the culture and it is (tongue-in-cheek) expected that if you have a truck there is a gun in it somewhere. Hunting and outdoor recreation are also a billion dollar industry and keeps many people employed and many communities solvent. I have the opportunity to work in Glacier Park for part of my summers, and when I am hiking it is becoming less unusual to see open carry on the trails. When I hike in the Nat'l forests, I used to hike in grizzly country. Now, it is grizzly and wolf country. And I gotta say, that can be a rush.
 
I've considered Wisconsin as a state as they seem to be more gun friendly than MN. I also like beer, cheese and the Packers so guns arent always my top priority...

Wisconsin is nice. I lived there for 25 years, but gun friendliness is only now growing. In the past, if you weren't a hunter, people gave you a funny look if you even talked about guns in a public place.

Compared to WY, it's like living in England as far as liberty goes. 15 years ago, I would say it's like Nazi Germany compared to Wyoming.

If you are seriously considering a move, look at Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, and you forgot western South Dakota. It's very gun friendly in SD as well. $10 and an application for a background check gets you a CC permit. No class, no crooked looks, no nothing. Just freedom.

Colorado is ......... too much for me. The younger generations there are a breed apart, and I frankly would not move anywhere on the east side of the Rockies unless it was for love, or a really really good job. Gun freedom is ok, but with all the people, the fun of living in a western state is removed. I mean no insult to your state Coloradoans, it just isn't for me.
 
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Colorado is ......... too much for me. The younger generations there are a breed apart, and I frankly would not move anywhere on the east side of the Rockies unless it was for love, or a really really good job. Gun freedom is ok, but with all the people, the fun of living in a western state is removed. I mean no insult to your state Coloradoans, it just isn't for me.

Sigh. Yeah, we are getting a bit crowded down here, I must admit. We are also importing some people who's views are not consistent with our interests. On the other hand, people who are looking to move to the Rockies usually choose Colorado for a reason, and jobs are usually that reason (in my experience).

I moved here from a more crowded state, so it was still a very nice improvement for me to arrive here. Nevertheless, I traveled extensively through Colorado when I was a kid, and again in the H.S. and college years. I moved here about a decade ago, simply because it was the one Rocky Mountain region state where I had good job prospects. Things have definitely changed here though, I'm sorry to admit.

The gun culture is still fairly good, but we are starting to run into some of the same problems that many people do in other populated areas, with idealogical conflicts between shooters and non-shooters, new residents not liking the sound of a shooting range nearby, and concerns that some ranges may not be safe due to the growing population in the area (that wasn't as much of a problem back when people had more room to spread out).

Colorado has definitely become more crowded on my side of the divide, and the weekend mountain traffic on I-70 can be enough to make you want to do anything except head up there. It's unfortunate to see this crowding, to be sure, but I think it is driven largely by jobs. We've often talked about trying to move to a more remote location, but even my local government job would take about a 50% pay cut to do so. We're now looking at the possibility of eventually trying to pick up some nice land in a more remote area, on which we could someday build a retirement cabin.

I still love it here in Colorado, but I loved it more with less people!
 
I know the Western Slope doesn't rule the state of Colorado, but I have to say the people I lived amongst for several years there were fine people, loved to shoot, and I miss it and them dearly. Unfortunately, the Eastern Slopers muck up the laws and freedoms in that state. It breaks my heart all the way to Ohio.
 
I know the Western Slope doesn't rule the state of Colorado, but I have to say the people I lived amongst for several years there were fine people, loved to shoot, and I miss it and them dearly. Unfortunately, the Eastern Slopers muck up the laws and freedoms in that state. It breaks my heart all the way to Ohio.
I live in south central Colorado, Fremont County, The east slope from Ft Collins to Castle Rock and maybe as far south as the the Air Force Academy sucks. Too busy chasing the almighty dollar and sticking their noses in other peoples business. So far Colorado Springs and south is still pretty good about guns. The western slope except for the fashionable ski folks is still pretty good but I can feel the times are changing there also. Too damn many people and that always messes things up.
 
Dr. B, where in North Idaho are you? I was considering a move to Cour d'Alene in the future. So I just want to be careful to avoid the anti's.

Idaho CCW training really isn't that hard to get. I was able to use my Hunter's Safety card from CA when I lived there. There are also other ways to cover the training requirement.

Dang, ABQ sounds really bad. :uhoh: I was considering it on my short list of places to move to.
I live in CDA, that's Coeur D Alene for short and it is still very gun friendly even though politically, the Kootenai County has gone blue from so many folks moving up here from CA. We need more pro gun folks to balance out all of the anti's who have moved up here in the last 2 decades.
 
There was a reason such a small city was featured on COPS TV show extensively.... I graduated HS there (Del Norte HS) and UNM many moons ago...
Illegal Road Blocks, Crime, High Unemployment... No thanks.

Some of my family still lives in NM so I do visit and hunt. but will never move back...
I don't know where you get your figures that NM has high unemployment, as of June it was 6.5%, lower than the national average and lower than AZ, CO, and your state, TX. The crime doesn't seem near as bad as IL where I came from. Try driving through the West and South sides of Chicago unarmed. If I carried my Sig 220 in my car console there as I do in NM, it would be a felony.

Half of NM is National Forest and BLM land, so open to shooting. Very mild winters, unlike the more northern mountain states, and without the awful humidity of TX. Denver traffic is as bad as Chicago was.

This Kiplinger list has Albuquerque at #2 for places to live:

http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/2009/07/2009-best-city-abluquerque.html

IMHO some bad talk about Albuquerque is from whitebread Americans who aren't comfortable with the Hispanic aspect of it. The thing is, hundreds of thousands of hispanics here are descendants of the Spanish who got here before the Pilgrims stepped on that rock.

BTW, I've been here 5 years and have never heard of an 'illegal road block'.
 
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I'm in Idaho. North Idaho, in one of the pockets of liberals. Our mayor thought she could ban guns entirely in the city a while back, but was quickly corrected. The state is very gun friendly though. I'm comfortable and enjoying some freedoms here. Always got to be vigilant though, no matter where you live.

Sounds like Sandpoint.

Friend of mine lives in Bonners Ferry, works in Sandpoint.

Me, I'm way down south in Coeur d'Alene.

:D

 
I've lived in Colorado's Front Range for a decade, most of the time in a little town far enough away from Boulder that you can't smell the granola. Seems to me things are actually improving gunwise. We've had some epic battles with the U.S. Forest Service on shooting on public land, be we seem to have reached an uneasy truce (essentially, we'll support closing areas that are clearly dangerous if they leave the demonstrably safe areas alone). I've even OC'ed in Boulder when we were filming down there and nobody's head exploded.

Funny story...we were filming the new opening to SHOOTING GALLERY, which had me riding my Producer's Beemer with my yellow AR strapped on my back, near Evergreen, CO. It involved about a thousand takes. Somewhere in the middle of the filming, a Sheriff's Department truck came by. He slammed on the brakes, pulled over beside us and called it in. What's gonna happen, my Producer asked? In an open carry state where hunting is a major industry, I said...nothing. After a minute the Sheriff's Deputy waved, told us to have a good day, and motored on.

Denver's a lost cause, though.

Michael B
 
IMHO some bad talk about Albuquerque is from whitebread Americans who aren't comfortable with the Hispanic aspect of it. The thing is, hundreds of thousands of hispanics here are descendants of the Spanish who got here before the Pilgrims stepped on that rock.

BTW, I've been here 5 years and have never heard of an 'illegal road block'.

Paul I was born and raised in NM. I moved to TX in 92-93 because no work. (Analyst in the O&G industry). Most of my family still lives there along with lifelong friends. Half my family is Mexican so your assumption is quite inaccurate.

Sure it's much better than TX for hunting and open land to do as you wish. However, CO, AZ, UT also have the same attributes.

BTW: sooner or later you will find out what I'm talking about with the DWI roadblocks.
 
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