Gun Myths and Legends

[blackwalnut]

I am sure that all of you have heard that if you dont vote the school levy in (and raise your taxes still higher!) that your kids wont have football! Hey what about an education?

One teacher told me that archery was too expensive to have as part of the physical education program but football and soccer were important to the development of the students.

I have not been on the highroad since early September and I can see after reading some of the so-called gun myths that there is still plenty of bashing going on especially with 1911 experts bashing everything else. Take your chill pills and get real. This is why I dont visit the Highroad much anymore.

 

[whalerman]

Hey Blackwalnut, I'm a Glock guy, but I understand the 1911 guys. Don't worry about it. Welcome back. Hang around. Maybe you need to take that chill pill.

 

[DasFriek]

Did the .45acp round as the best handgun round ever finally get decided that its no myth?

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Did the .45acp round as the best handgun round ever finally get decided that its no myth?

Nope. And doing so might prove difficult as it's not. =)

 

[parsimonious_instead]

Coastie: Do an internet search for Tony Stein. (Marine, Iwo Jima, 1945). He used such a converted weapon to destroy quite a few Japanese pillboxes and gave excellent covering fire to his fellow Marines.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Do an internet search for Tony Stein. (Marine, Iwo Jima, 1945). He used such a converted weapon to destroy quite a few Japanese pillboxes and gave excellent covering fire to his fellow Marines.

Didn't he do all this while barefoot? (I saw it on the History Channel)Recipient of the CMOH for it.

 

[dirtymike1]

Not a gun myth but...

There is no such thing as the Congressional Medal of Honor. He do however have a Medal of Honor that awarded by the President in the name of Congress.

 

[hardworker]

another myth:

cheap ammo

 

[ChCx2744]

^ That's a myth AND an oxymoron haha

 

[CoastieShep]

Thanks parsimonious. Remember seeing it, just couldn't remember the name or place.

 

[Roan]

I once had a fellow soldier (about 4 years ago) tell me that no one had ever survived a direct hit from a Mauser in WWII, no matter where it hit.

 

[cmat]

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

 

[kayak-man]

Some of my other favorite myths:

The AR needs to be cleaned to run well
The AR is exceptionaly reliable, and just needs to be lubed
(Hey, only one can be true, right?)

The GLOCK is the best hand gun ever.
The 1911 is the greatest pistol in the world.

Hi Points are junk

 

[jlrhiner]

I think that MG that was used by that Marine on Iwo was taken from a Navy bomber and they had done a field conversion on it. Something like sights from a BAR, stock from an M1 that kind of thing. The big difference was the cyclic rate of fire, which was something like 1200 rpm.

 

[FROGO207]

How about---females don't know how to shoot accurately. I saw that one blown out O the water about 5 min later by my then GF who was a retired LEO. LMAO when the guy that stated the above missed 9 out of 15 with his wonder pistol to her chewing the bull out of said target using his pistol afterwards.

 

[CeilingCat]

haha I handed my mom a M1 Carbine and she proceeded to shame both my dad and I in the first few clips. Didn't do too bad with the m94 either.

I would have said "diving into water to escape gunfire". But Mythbusters showed .50 and almost all high velocity rounds breaking up shortly after hitting water.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

When a manufacturer advertises a gun finish as being "finger print proof" he is not talking about CSI not being able to lift prints from the gun after you use it in a crime. Finger prints contain salts and acids that rust steel and iron; a gun finish that is finger print proof is one that won't rust from finger prints. Guns are hard to lift finger prints from, period.

A federal prosecutor who blogs about TV shows posted this:

Allison Leottaon, "The Top 5 Things TV Crime Shows Get Wrong", http://allisonleotta.com/blog/ 9 Dec 2010

1. You won’t get fingerprints off that gun. Sorry, not gonna catch the killer that way. Usable prints are notoriously tough to get, and guns are the worst surface to get them from. .... When I use a fingerprint expert, it’s usually to educate the jury on why there aren’t prints on the gun. ....

The other four ponts aren't necessarily about guns; her blog analyses each episode of Law'n'Order SVU based on her experience as a sex crimes prosecutor.

 

[ChronoCube]

Expanding/fragmenting ammo is prohibited by the Geneva Convention.

(It's actually the Hague Convention.)

 

[Nar]

"Putting a laser or scope on a gun makes it impossible to miss your target"

 

[Steve Marshall]

How about how vastly underpowered the .308 is compared to 30-06? In truth, the average 150-ish grain bullet is faster in the .308 at 2750 fps versus 2700 fps for the
30-06.

 

[therewolf]

My old-time favorite:

"A body shot from a .45ACP will pick you up in the air, flip you around 360 degrees, then you'll fall to the ground dead, and all your hair,(white by then)
teeth and eyes will fall out. And your ears will fall off. AND your descendants will all get cancer..."

 

[ironhead7544]

"Bullets from an M16 tumble." This one probably came from the early guns in RVN. There was no chrome lining to protect the throat and they wore out quickly when fired on full auto. I worked in a weapons shop when I was in the Army 69-72. When rifles with the old barrels came in they showed clear sdieways holes in paper at 25 yards.

"In RVN, they could use our ammo in their guns but we couldnt use theirs."

"The 357 Magnum will penetrate an engine block." With the right ammo a 357 might penetrate some engines thin water jacket but you might have to take the motor out of the car to do it. And then hit it in just the right spot.

 

[therewolf]

Yanno, that whole engine block thing assumes a cast iron Detroit V8 from the big three.

It also assumes nominally jacketed slugs.

You take a four cylinder cast aluminum engine with a large caliber steel bullet, and it will cut through that block like crap through a goose.

In general terms, though, I would have to agree that to disable a car, the fastest surefire way would be to hole the radiator. Coolant pressure goes
to zero, engine overheats. Every time.

 

[jollyroger]

Allison Leottaon, "The Top 5 Things TV Crime Shows Get Wrong", http://allisonleotta.com/blog/ 9 Dec 2010

1. You won’t get fingerprints off that gun. Sorry, not gonna catch the killer that way. Usable prints are notoriously tough to get, and guns are the worst surface to get them from. .... When I use a fingerprint expert, it’s usually to educate the jury on why there aren’t prints on the gun. ....

Not to disparage the good prosecutor, but you CAN get latent prints off a gun. The determining factor is the surface: a polished surface will hold a latent print, while a parkerized surface or rough-texured metal or plastic will not. I've gotten usable latents off a S&W 4506 slide, a beretta 950, several bryco's, etc.: fuming with super glue and sometimes just using powder and lifts. Even if the gun is parkerized, the mags are often smooth steel and will hold a print. Just sayin.

 

[Cokeman]

My old-time favorite:

"A body shot from a .45ACP will pick you up in the air, flip you around 360 degrees, then you'll fall to the ground dead, and all your hair,(white by then)
teeth and eyes will fall out. And your ears will fall off. AND your descendants will all get cancer..."

I thought you had to smash through a window and fall to the street below and then fall to the ground dead.