Myths about CMP
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I don't like that collectors have picked over the cmp over the years effectively depleting this source for personal benefit. If I were king (I know, I know this is where my wife would tell me to shut up) the limit would be something along the lines of one rifle per man per lifetime with the the cmp taking shot out rifles back for rearsenal for a small nominal fee. If the armorer determined the rifle was done you could order another. I wouldnt care as much if there were a slug of new rifles coming in for the new generation, but there aren't. The m16s and m14s will not come through.
Tim the student
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The only one I've heard is how hard it is to meet the requirements for purchase. I've seen it on this very site.
USSR
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You obviously don't understand the role of the CMP. The CMP is not here to ensure that everybody gets a rifle. The CMP is here to sell rifles (a LOT of rifles) and use the money made thru said sales to fund marksmanship training and competition in the U.S.
Don
The CMP is continually grading/releasing rifles. When you go to the CMP store, the rifles you have to choose from are a tiny fraction of what the CMP actually has. And they have many, MANy rifles that haven't even been graded yet. It's not like everything the CMP possesses right now, and will have for sale now and in the future, has been 'picked over'.
Back in the days when the program was under the DCM, there was a "one rifle per lifetime" restriction.
I'd guess when they started getting returns from other countries, the rifle were not moving fast enough for the inventory on hand.
Besides, we would not want "Captain Crunch" to get any more.
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tahunua001
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I know it's irritating to have someone else go through and pick out all the good ones but I can't say that without admitting that if I lived anywhere near anniston I would be there in person leafing through M1s looking for a collectors grade disguised as a service grade.
Ignition Override
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What is interesting to me is how many middle-aged, experienced gun owners down south (often passing through Atlanta GA) have never heard of the CMP, even when pronouncing the entire name.
Even a young gun owner at an Anniston gas station was unaware of it.
Maybe we should not advertise it.
Even a young gun owner at an Anniston gas station was unaware of it.
Maybe we should not advertise it.
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ApacheCoTodd
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All news to me. Reminds me of the CORE headquarters which we set up in our team room in the Army. Center Of Rumor Emissions.
Reloadron
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There was a time under the old DCM (Director of Civilian Marksmanship) program which was pre-CMP when you needed to shoot two matches at a CMP affiliated club to demonstrate proficiency with the rifle. The rifles were provided but after an introduction you had to shoot.
Today's requirements are much easier to meet. While prices have increased over the years that was to be expected. For those who choose not to meet the CMP requirements there is the option of gun show. However, if you get a CMP rifle you have service and support after the sale. The same might not hold true from a buy at a gun show, especially a private sale.
Regardless of rumors about CMP requirements and rifles you will not go wrong with a CMP rifle. The CMP website pretty well covers the CMP in depth. Nothing is left to the imagination and for those with lingering questions a simple phone call will bring answers and results. Also, no I never heard any of the rumors mentioned in the original post of this thread.
Ron
InkEd
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How about this one.....
If you order a Garand from the CMP, you will be as old as your grandpa that orginally carried one in WWII before it actually arrives at your door.
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If you order a Garand from the CMP, you will be as old as your grandpa that orginally carried one in WWII before it actually arrives at your door.
LOL
Obviously, you did not order a rifle in the 2010 to 2012 time frame. Deliveries were three weeks or so including the snail mail time.
Even some of the special stuff like 6 million serial number Garands were received quickly.
It is just since the end of 2012, CMP got buried in orders. The same thing happened after the 2008 elections. My second Garand ordered in April, 2009 was not received until September, 2009.
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Right.
To order my first Garand, i had to shoot in matches to qualify, in part, for the purchase. Several years later, I found the requirements had been relaxed, or expanded, and it was much easier to qualify to purchase a Garand.
The match requirement got me into Service Rifle competition. While I never got above Marksman classification, I enjoyed shooting the matches, first with my Garand and then a match prepared AR-15.
I have enjoyed learning about and collecting Garands over the past few years. I look at Garands for sale at gun shows and my CMP Garands are in better condition and cost less than those for sale at gun shows. CMP and their folks are great.
elwoodm
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the wait is rough i ordered mine at the beginning of the year and got it in april. it was worth the wait got some of the last SA service grade with the best chamber and muzzle rating. shoots like a dream.
I ordered my second one early this year: HRA Service Grade Special. Took about three months. I wanted a nice spare My first was an SA Service Grade; it took about one month, last summer. Very nice. I shoot it; when I refinish the SGS stock and clean all the cosmoline out of the metal, I will be shooting it too. I wanted to have a spare. I don't plan to get any more (I know, I know, lots of folks have said that and been proven wrong). I don't collect, I shoot what I have.
Order the rifle. Embrace the anticipation It gets there when it gets there. Same with ammo.
My first was an SA Service Grade; it took about one month, last summer. Very nice. I shoot it; when I refinish the SGS stock and clean all the cosmoline out of the metal, I will be shooting it too. I wanted to have a spare. I don't plan to get any more (I know, I know, lots of folks have said that and been proven wrong). I don't collect, I shoot what I have.Order the rifle. Embrace the anticipation
It gets there when it gets there. Same with ammo.Tim the student
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Yes. However, I was referring to current conditions of purchase. People read the bare bones requirements, and it stops them cold. They don't understand that you can join clubs online, and that many of them probably already have met the marksmanship requirement from hunter's safety, military service or the like.
They just see "Must be a member of a CMP affiliated org" and "Marksmanship Activity" and stop reading right there. I've even participated in a thread here in which it was simply too much for a guy to join a club online. I remember another one where it was just too much for a guy to go to a notary. Might have been the same guy actually, now that I think about it. I think he even lived in town, not 200 miles from the closest civilization.
Incredible, really - but whatever. It leaves another rifle for those who are willing to meet those small (IMO) requirements. That reminds me, I really should get an M1 for my baby boy!
bigdogpete
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USSR,
I understand the purpose of the CMP and what it does but I don't claim to be an expert. I have purchased rifles and ammo from CMP. I have read people going back and forth about limiting rifles sales to 1 or 2 or 3 per year. Even more lately with the International Harvesters coming.
I haven't been buying from CMP very long. Well, I didn't think I had been, time flies. I guess for 10 years according to invoices.
Enough babble, here is my question. Since CMP is not concerned about the number of people getting a Garand. Why have a 12 Garand limit per year, then?
I have heard many people us pretty much the same language as your post but I have not been given a good answer for the 12 gun limit and now a limit on the amount of ammo.
If anyone else knows the answer to my question, please chime in.
USSR
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I suspect it is so that they don't end up simply becoming a wholesaler for some large retail operation. The prices that the CMP charges are WELL below retail prices.
Don
Deer_Freak
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In the 70's you could buy M1's in any pawn shop for $100. I wasn't interested at $100 and I certainly not interested in buying a pig in a poke for $600. I would rather put the money towards an AR 10 or a BAR.
Reloadron
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Part of the benefit of buying a M1 Garand from the CMP is that likely 98% of the time you will get a good, solid functional rifle and not the proverbial pig in a poke. On the off chance (stuff happens) you get a faulty rifle, the CMP is right there with service and support. With the exception of one member here they all seem to have been satisfied with their CMP purchases. The one unsatisfied member I recall had the main complaint the rifle looked like it was dragged behind a truck several miles.
Very, very understandable. I have mentioned many times in Garand related threads the M1 Garand is not everyone's choice in a rifle. Owning a rifle, any rifle is a matter of personal choice. Beauty is in fact in the eye of the beholder. I have seen pictures of rifles in this forum that I would define as butt ugly but hey, just my opinion based on what I happen to like. My AR types are plain Jane flavors built for accuracy and not tacticool varieties.
For the Garand Group and those who enjoy these rifles their odds of getting a good rifle are much better with the CMP than a gun show unless they are very Garand savvy. For those with no interest in a M1 Garand they obviously aren't going to buy one. It's a love it or hate it type rifle, just like many other rifles.
Just My Take
Ron
bigdogpete
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Good point.
USSR
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Well, find yourself some software that converts 1970's dollars into the equivalent of today's dollars; you will be surprised.
Hey, I bought the equivalent of a current CMP Service Grade M1 Garand from the DCM in the mid-80's for $165. The pawn shop M1's for $100 in the 70's you are referring to were Blue Sky imports from Korea; worn out rifles with shot out barrels, reparkarized to make them LOOK nice. You don't get a "pig in a poke" with the CMP. You get exactly what their grade description states or better, or they will make it good by you.Don
This is based on ignorance.
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