bwsmith2850
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Who can forget 'Glocks will go through metal detectors undetected?'
Magazines should not be fully loaded so the springs don't wear out.
Magazines should not be fully loaded so the springs don't wear out.
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The Mossberg 500/590's aluminum receiver will wear out, whereas the 870's receiver will last forever. Funny they don't say the same about other aluminum receiver shotguns.
A friend said he could get my SAA to "double fire". I don't know what that means but I am guessing getting the hammer to rebound all the way after firing. Never did let him try that.
A friend said he could get my SAA to "double fire". I don't know what that means but I am guessing getting the hammer to rebound all the way after firing. Never did let him try that.
cougar1717
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Here's a few...
(Enter caliber here) is the minimum handgun caliber for bear defense.
Bear mace is totally ineffective. To defend yourself from bears you must have a gun.
The 10mm is equivalent to the 41mag because the bullet diameter is roughly the same.
260 Rem/ 6.5x55/ (enter other calibers) are the best calibers ever. Do not ever say anything about these calibers being oddball or express difficulty in finding ammo.
I can shoot (enter group size - must be 1 moa or less at any distance if posting on the internet) ALL DAY if I do my part. You must also post photos of your groups at 25 yards.
(Enter caliber here) is the minimum handgun caliber for bear defense.
Bear mace is totally ineffective. To defend yourself from bears you must have a gun.
The 10mm is equivalent to the 41mag because the bullet diameter is roughly the same.
260 Rem/ 6.5x55/ (enter other calibers) are the best calibers ever. Do not ever say anything about these calibers being oddball or express difficulty in finding ammo.
I can shoot (enter group size - must be 1 moa or less at any distance if posting on the internet) ALL DAY if I do my part. You must also post photos of your groups at 25 yards.
russ69
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Bluing is used for a couple of very good reasons, first and foremost is cost, it's a relatively cheap process. The second is that there is no dimensional change to the parts after bluing. There are a bunch of better finishes out there, look at any military rifle, but the cost of the finishes can get to be little too much for best pricing.
Thanx, Russ
unspellable
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Moldy Oldy:
A 32 Special can't hit the side of a barn once the bore has a little wear.
(There's a suggestion this myth got started back before WWII when Winchester got rid of a bunch of 8 mm bullets they had laying around by laoding them in 32 Specials. The 8 mm is undersized for the 32 Special. Maybe true, maybe not.)
A 32 Special can't hit the side of a barn once the bore has a little wear.
(There's a suggestion this myth got started back before WWII when Winchester got rid of a bunch of 8 mm bullets they had laying around by laoding them in 32 Specials. The 8 mm is undersized for the 32 Special. Maybe true, maybe not.)
Fat Boy
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A family member, now departed from this vale of tears for a better life once told me he believed a fully-choked 12 gauge round would stop an elephant...he was my elder, so I didn't try to correct him.
As for the comment about revolvers and the AARP, I would like to say...wait, what was the question??
As for the comment about revolvers and the AARP, I would like to say...wait, what was the question??
parsimonious_instead
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Says Dimis:
>.223 cant kill only wound (same for 5.56)
I've heard "a .223 was designed to wound, and not to kill, because
wounded combatants are a drain on the enemy's resources" many,
many times. Absolute bunk, there are hundreds of thousands of enemy
troops felled by this supposedly inadequate round.
All inexpencive guns are junk
Most probably are.
its always a magazine problem not a shooter problem
"blame the shooter first" is a healthy and crucial mentality to instill.
inexpencive guns are not good for HD
Expensive ones aren't necessarily better, but the important thing is reliability and familiarity, regardless of cost.
.50AE and the Desert Eagle are useless all the way around
Useless? No. Somewhat unwieldy for home defense and dreadfully
unwieldy for combat? Almost certainly. Expensive and punishing
to practice enough to use with skill? Almost certainly.
The Taurus Judge is junk
I just heard an interesting bit about the Taurus Judge on a gun podcast, that made me tilt toward this one not being a myth.
.22 is a poor training aid
What the heck? That one really surprises me. Even those YouTube yahoos that film their newbie shooter girlfriends and pals firing overpowered guns probably knew darn well they should have started them with .22s.
>.223 cant kill only wound (same for 5.56)
I've heard "a .223 was designed to wound, and not to kill, because
wounded combatants are a drain on the enemy's resources" many,
many times. Absolute bunk, there are hundreds of thousands of enemy
troops felled by this supposedly inadequate round.
All inexpencive guns are junk
Most probably are.
its always a magazine problem not a shooter problem
"blame the shooter first" is a healthy and crucial mentality to instill.
inexpencive guns are not good for HD
Expensive ones aren't necessarily better, but the important thing is reliability and familiarity, regardless of cost.
.50AE and the Desert Eagle are useless all the way around
Useless? No. Somewhat unwieldy for home defense and dreadfully
unwieldy for combat? Almost certainly. Expensive and punishing
to practice enough to use with skill? Almost certainly.
The Taurus Judge is junk
I just heard an interesting bit about the Taurus Judge on a gun podcast, that made me tilt toward this one not being a myth.
.22 is a poor training aid
What the heck? That one really surprises me. Even those YouTube yahoos that film their newbie shooter girlfriends and pals firing overpowered guns probably knew darn well they should have started them with .22s.
CoastieShep
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I'm in the USCG and had an officer tell me this one.
We don't shoot to kill, we shoot to wound.
We use the sig .40 hp's.
He's the kind of guy that is always right, no matter how wrong he is.
We don't shoot to kill, we shoot to wound.
We use the sig .40 hp's.
He's the kind of guy that is always right, no matter how wrong he is.
essayons21
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I know the type... I think they must teach that in OCS.
Just make sure if you ever have to, shoot to wound multiple times in CoM.
stuckinsocal
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If you want a rifle, get an AR.
If you want a defensive rifle, get an AR.
If you want a target rifle, get an AR.
If you want hunting rifle, get an AR.
In short, that the seemingly automatic answer for any rifle question is to get an AR; great gun, but certainly not the end-all, be-all of rifles.
If you want a defensive rifle, get an AR.
If you want a target rifle, get an AR.
If you want hunting rifle, get an AR.
In short, that the seemingly automatic answer for any rifle question is to get an AR; great gun, but certainly not the end-all, be-all of rifles.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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That's not really a "myth". It's just a suggestion. An AR can fill all of the roles well. An M4gery can be a great defensive rifle. A 20" AR can be a great target rifle. An AR10 can be a great hunting rifle. It's personal preference. I don't really see where the "myth or legend" comes into play.
hill.country
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More gun myths...
This.
Some more myths I've heard people actually say [in one form or another]...
"You don't need to aim a shotgun." [CHL applicant actually said]
"Caliber is more important than shot placement." Usually followed by "and only the only good choice is <X>". Likewise "A .22's never seriously hurt or killed anyone." [Another CHL applicant]
"You don't need to clean your guns unless you drop them or something."
"Bumping or dropping a [modern] firearm will [always] cause it to fire." (And way too many movies use this as a plot device too!)
"A pistol is [always] the best choice for home defense."
"Locking a gun away (and often separate from it's ammunition) improves your home security."
"The more it costs the better the gun."
"Brand "X" guns never jam or mis-feed." Usually followed with "and every other brand is junk".
"Nobody needs more than 10 rounds." or worse still "Nobody lawful needs a gun anymore". *sigh*
This.
Some more myths I've heard people actually say [in one form or another]...
"You don't need to aim a shotgun." [CHL applicant actually said]
"Caliber is more important than shot placement." Usually followed by "and only the only good choice is <X>". Likewise "A .22's never seriously hurt or killed anyone." [Another CHL applicant]
"You don't need to clean your guns unless you drop them or something."
"Bumping or dropping a [modern] firearm will [always] cause it to fire." (And way too many movies use this as a plot device too!)
"A pistol is [always] the best choice for home defense."
"Locking a gun away (and often separate from it's ammunition) improves your home security."
"The more it costs the better the gun."
"Brand "X" guns never jam or mis-feed." Usually followed with "and every other brand is junk".
"Nobody needs more than 10 rounds." or worse still "Nobody lawful needs a gun anymore". *sigh*
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CajunBass
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Had a co-worker tell me that the other day. He said he believed a 12 ga. slug would be better than a .458 for elephant. Oh? Really? Interesting...
Arkansas Paul
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I fit into this catagory as well.
Here's my myths. Two of them dealing with the same thing but opposite extremes.
Anybody that uses a 7mm Magnum or bigger for whitetails is crazy. Ammo is $50 a box and it'll ruin so much meat you won't have anything but hooves and horns to pack home.
and...
That .270 or .243 isn't a good whitetail round. You need a .338 Lapua or a .300 Rem Ultra Mag. They drop em in their tracks no matter what.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people there are on both sides of this.
Carl N. Brown
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all liberals hate guns, all conservatives love guns
I remember in the 1960s that support for gun control was used by doctrinaire "liberals" as a litmus test for (true) liberalism. If you just asked what they meant by gun control or asked how gun control was supposed to affect criminal behavior, that put you beyond the pale no matter how otherwise liberal your politics might be. If liberals or Democrats are automatically assumed anti-gun rights and pro-gun bans, it is because their doctrinaire spokespeople have been hammering the theme for decades.
I remember in the 1960s that support for gun control was used by doctrinaire "liberals" as a litmus test for (true) liberalism. If you just asked what they meant by gun control or asked how gun control was supposed to affect criminal behavior, that put you beyond the pale no matter how otherwise liberal your politics might be. If liberals or Democrats are automatically assumed anti-gun rights and pro-gun bans, it is because their doctrinaire spokespeople have been hammering the theme for decades.
hill.country
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"a handgun is only useful to fight your way to a rifle" [overheard this variation at the range]
"you don't need to practice with a shotgun" [CHL class rumors]
"anyone wanting to carry a gun is either a wannabe cop or is looking for a chance to shoot someone"
And while I've never heard it said, I think a lot of people believe that:
"you're sure to be home if/when you need a gun for defense" and "I'll just _drive_ home to my guns and supplies if there's an emergency" [both of which I find questionable for most people]
Likewise how some people separate gun from magazine/ammo and/or lock away their firarms and expect that they'll be able to get both, perhaps opening a combination safe in the dark (sans electricity) in less time than an intruder can find their bedroom.
or how about... "I have enough practice"... and then three my wife believes:
"I have enough guns", "I have enough ammo", and "this safe is big enough" ;-)
"you don't need to practice with a shotgun" [CHL class rumors]
"anyone wanting to carry a gun is either a wannabe cop or is looking for a chance to shoot someone"
And while I've never heard it said, I think a lot of people believe that:
"you're sure to be home if/when you need a gun for defense" and "I'll just _drive_ home to my guns and supplies if there's an emergency" [both of which I find questionable for most people]
Likewise how some people separate gun from magazine/ammo and/or lock away their firarms and expect that they'll be able to get both, perhaps opening a combination safe in the dark (sans electricity) in less time than an intruder can find their bedroom.
or how about... "I have enough practice"... and then three my wife believes:
"I have enough guns", "I have enough ammo", and "this safe is big enough" ;-)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
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I would say that there is no such thing as enough practice. But you could conceivably have enough ammo. And certainly enough guns. Even one gun could be enough if you spend the rest of your money on training and ammo for the training. And if you're the type of person who has 20,000 rounds for whatever his pistol(s) is chambered in, whether it's enough depends on how much you shoot.
hill.country
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Agreed.
And the "wink" at the end of that line was deliberate - even if my wife thinks all three of those items are true. ;-)
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Forgive me Staff...
THE Ultimate Extreme Shotgun, and ammo set up, is a 12 gauge, with 3 1/2 inch 000 buckshot.
In fact...
It will take any dangerous game while on Safari!
Its twue, I read it on the Intraw3bz, on a forum called The Highroad.
If you don't believe me, ask H&H Hunter and Correia and some others around here.
*did-i-win-anything*
THE Ultimate Extreme Shotgun, and ammo set up, is a 12 gauge, with 3 1/2 inch 000 buckshot.
In fact...
It will take any dangerous game while on Safari!
Its twue, I read it on the Intraw3bz, on a forum called The Highroad.
If you don't believe me, ask H&H Hunter and Correia and some others around here.
*did-i-win-anything*
Wispa
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New to me too. I have to say some are true because my Glock and AK accomplish what's written.
Carter
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My parents think that.
One's I've heard/read:
"The 9mm won't save you" Seems pretty popular on Youtube advertisements.
"Guns accidentally go off"
"9mm isn't an effective SD round, but .380 to the chest is man killer"
"An AK is an inferier/archaic weapon"
"30 round magazines are high capacity"
"A semi automatic rifle is an assault rifle"
"A .50BMG rifle will take down airliners in the sky"
"Police (in general) are good shots"
"Every handgun makes a cocking sound when its pulled from the holster"
"Newer rifle designs aren't better than the AR." Gonna catch some flak for that one...
"The 1911/.45 is a real man's choice."
"Newer(ish) calibers aren't worth anything because other calibers can already do what they were designed to do (.357 sig)."
Joe Demko
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Guys who run gunshops actually know what they are talking about.
Admittedly, sometimes true.
Admittedly, sometimes true.
My favorite has the be the .22 bullet bouncing around in the body. I usually follow up to this "fact" asking why my .45 ACP round nose round doesn't do the same thing and it weighs at least 5x more.
This usually results in a physics lesson from someone that thinks at small hunk of lead will bounce around, off the bones of course, a human body like a pinball machine. The funny part is letting them keep talking and asking questions. They usually come around and "get" that their reasoning is silly for believing what they was sure was a fact.
This usually results in a physics lesson from someone that thinks at small hunk of lead will bounce around, off the bones of course, a human body like a pinball machine. The funny part is letting them keep talking and asking questions. They usually come around and "get" that their reasoning is silly for believing what they was sure was a fact.
Higher velocity rounds are always best for hunting.
Real men who know what they're doing always shoot (insert brand here).
The gun just went off.
My cousins friends brother-in-law knows all about guns and he said......
Every thing I own is perfect. Everything you own is junk.
Real men who know what they're doing always shoot (insert brand here).
The gun just went off.
My cousins friends brother-in-law knows all about guns and he said......
Every thing I own is perfect. Everything you own is junk.
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