Gun owner checked in school lockdown

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http://www.indystar.com/articles/9/230020-7909-102.html

Center Grove lifts school restrictions after police probe


By Diana Penner
[email protected]
March 18, 2005


GREENWOOD, Ind. -- Center Grove schoolchildren will be able to go outside for recess again today.

School officials Thursday lifted a lockdown of nine Center Grove schools after law enforcement officials determined there was no threat connected to reports of an unidentified man with a gun in the woods near West Grove Elementary on Tuesday.

"My feeling is, they can't really overreact," said Sam Gorall, whose home is on a cul-de-sac separated from the school by the woods where the man was reportedly seen.

His son is a first-grader at West Grove and was outside with other children Tuesday when one of them saw the man. His son saw the man, too, but not a gun, said Gorall, who also has a 13-year-old stepson at the middle school.

The trick for parents, he said, is conveying concern to children without panicking them.

"We told them the whole thing probably is nothing. It probably wasn't a big deal. There's a possibility he didn't even have a gun," Gorall said. "But if you see somebody like that, go the other way."

All schools in the district were battened down Wednesday and Thursday. West Grove was placed on lockdown starting Tuesday.

Law enforcement officials said a man who lives near the school had recently purchased about $6,000 in firearms, apparently all legally. He was deemed not to be a threat and cooperated with law enforcement by letting the weapons be moved to the home of a relative.

Police did not release his name.

Most residents seemed to support the district's conservative approach.

Around the corner and down the street from Gorall's house, three mothers discussed the episode as their younger children cavorted outside on play equipment in their back yards.

"You've got to check it out, in this day and age," said Kerri Edwards, who has a 4-year-old.

Wakefield subdivision neighbors Christina Harper, who has a stepson at the middle school and a second at Center Grove High School, and Kristi Leiter, with a second-grader and a younger child not yet in school, also supported the cautious approach.

Law enforcement officials checked out the man who made the recent gun purchases after receiving a tip. They went to his home to interview him, said Johnson County Sheriff's Col. Doug Cox. The man lives near the school and owns camouflage clothing but denied being in the woods, Cox said.

Cox said the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is double-checking the man's purchase records.

He said police were mindful of the fatal shooting of an Indianapolis police officer in August by a mentally unstable man who had legally bought several assault-style weapons.

"Even if he wasn't at the school, we want to take a close look at him," Cox said

The man, a gun enthusiast, surrendered several guns to his sister for safekeeping and has cooperated with sheriff's investigators, said Maj. Steve Byerly.

"He understands community concerns raised by his recent gun purchases."

Parents picking up their children about 11:30 a.m. Thursday at West Grove Elementary said they were not afraid for their children's safety but supported the lockdown.

"I'm pleased," said Laura Johnson, 35, as she picked up daughter Skylar, 5, in front of the school. "It shows they care about our children."

Star reporters Paul Bird, Bill Booher, Jon Murray and John Tuohy contributed to this story.


Its for the children...
 
all other views valid but:

Highland Ranger ,congrats on you buying power, but please do not call those of us who must scrimp and save even for the $500-750 purchase trolls, we are not trolls just poor. :neener:
 
Of course. This "person of interest" did nothing illegal, and apparently the "man in the woods with a rifle" was over-blown. He did of course spend a lot of money by some standards on firearms, and apparently had a massive collection consisting of "several" guns. So even though they say,

>> He was deemed not to be a threat and cooperated with law enforcement by letting the weapons be moved to the home of a relative. <<

They continue to insist that:

>> The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is double-checking the man's purchase records. "Even if he wasn't at the school, we want to take a close look at him," Cox said. <<

Why? Because:

>> He said police were mindful of the fatal shooting of an Indianapolis police officer in August by a mentally unstable man who had legally bought several assault-style weapons. <<

So I conclude that any gun owners' rights to due process and Constitutional safeguards can be ignored if the sheeple are worried and a "mentally unstable" person somewhere (anywhere) bought several assault-style weapons and shot a police officer, even though there is no connection between the two incidents.

Tis' time to really think about this ... :scrutiny:
 
I wonder how it would have played out if the man, who had done nothing wrong, told the Police to pound sand.


The only thing worse than: ITS FOR THE CHILDREN is ITS FOR OFFICER SAFETY. :cuss: :banghead:
 
I'd *love* to know how many other guns the guy has in his house after letting his "new" weapons be moved to his sisters house. :neener:

"They made me store my new custom AR-15 and Remington 700 at my sister's house, but left the other 125 firearms in my collection sitting in my living room," Ms. Tamara, a local gun enthusiast told this reporter. While leaving an arsenal in Ms. Tamara's house, which happens to be within 300 miles of an elementary school, Chief Barbara Boxer said they did take custody of all camoflage clothing found in the house. "It seems as though all of Ms. Tamara's guns are currently legal to own and there is nothing we can do about them at the moment. So we took the next best action and separated the camoflage clothing from the arsenal," Chief Boxer explained.
 
Nine Center Grove schools continued a lockdown today as the Johnson County sheriff's department and federal agents investigated a man who recently purchased $5,000 in firearms.

Dang, I've doubled that in 1 day!

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unless ATF is looking for a specific person it is just plain difficult to do. if the ATF had to keep every 4473 they would need something about the size of the Pentagon to hold all the yellow sheets from the last 20 years.

Every FFL is required to keep every 4473 filled out INDEFINATELY. If they go out of buisness, they are to be surrendered to the ATF entirely, and ARE entered into a database. They've got your pentagon sized room.
 
Let's see.
2xBarrett 468 would fullfill the requirements for this story.

5k could be anything from 50 SKS's to one .50BMG. The guy probably got his refund or found a good deal for a few rifles, and went for it.

And like the second report said, it was reported by kids, the guy in the woods might not even of had a gun.

Heck, they came to my house, they'd find 2 military arms, a sniper rifle, and 6k rounds of ammo.
 
Highland Ranger ,congrats on you buying power, but please do not call those of us who must scrimp and save even for the $500-750 purchase trolls, we are not trolls just poor.

Not why I called him a troll, read my post again.

To summarize, the original poster implied this guy was a nutcase who slipped through the system BECAUSE of his purchases: no one buys $5000 worth of guns at a time.

So if you can afford $5000 worth of guns you're a nutcase.

Wrong.

The trolling part comes in when someone posts, on a very pro 2a, pro-constitution board that the police were nice guys for not taking his guns and allowing him to give them to his sister.

Like I said, read it again.

And poor is not being able to afford anything . . . . see "africa" on the internet.
 
Who on here does NOT own some camoflage clothing? Raise your hands.

I guess I should expect the BATFE to knock on the door any minute now. I purchased a gun this afternoon. Granted, it wasn't $5,000 worth of a gun ... but I was wearing a camoflage field jacket!

Honest, Agent Schmuckatelli, I didn't know I couldn't touch guns while wearing camo clothing. I'm innercent, I tell ya!
 
Everyhting makes your butt look big...especially that frilly number you had on today

Besides you hang around the schools wearing a raincoat anyway :) :neener:

WildaskhimaboutthestringsuspendersAlaska
 
Acted in OUR best interest

Lets face it. Even though there are a lot of people that own guns in this great land of ours, a lot of them are democratic fence sitters. Big stories about guns push them over the fence all the time. I know some. This fella that was questioned and investigated acted in a way that disarmed the media. Imagine what would have happened had he told the PD to take a flying leap at the moon. The media then would have had all the "AMMO" needed to take this to the next level. "Wack Job refuses to cooperate with PD". This equals "He must be guilty" in a lot of minds.

We also don't know if the PD or He suggested to move the guns. The article says "surrendered", but we all know that the media loves trigger words. Hell, that is what makes books worth reading and news entertaining.

Yes, it seems a law suit could be filed. IMNSHO, this man did right. He diffused the situation and got the media and PD off his ass that much more quickly.
 
This guy wasn't just checked because he bought some guns. I'm willing to bet there is something else behind any suspicion that is floating around him.
I agree totally. I don't see any responsible police officer/investigator going to that level just on reasonable suspcion. It's my belief that there was something there, something that wasn't mentioned in the article that we know NOTHING about, to cause law enforcement to have probable cause to take the actions that they did. This, even in the most liberal, socialistic, over-administrative departments.

Since we can't prove it, and can't charge you we'll ask that a realtive drive your car till you can prove you didn't do it.
I'm sorry, but these are lethal weapons we're speaking about here, not cars. (That's NOT saying a motor vehicle cannot be used as a lethal weapon, so let's not start that rant either.) I don't find that to be a necessarily valid analogy.

They dont need a warrant to come to your house and ask ya, just need one to enter
Even though most will go to the trouble of obtaining a warrant VERY QUICKLY, if a law enforcement official has enough probable cause, he can do it without a warrant. And as long as you're willing to allow the officer into your home, you just cancelled his need for a warrant; meaning you have waived your right to request a warrant by allowing him access to your residence. And from what I've read, yeah, he cooperated by allowing relatives to keep his firearms until the matter was clear. Even though he didn't need to do it (and he would have been well within his legal rights to refuse), he agreed to comply in order to assist police in clearing their investigation smoothly and quickly. That's a noble individual in my opinion, and I wish there were more people like him. I'm starting to greatly dislike the growing majority of people in these forums who tend to believe that law enforcement is consistently working against them. You pay them, they work for you. That's how law enforcement/public service employees operate (in most cases).

Who on here does NOT own some camoflage clothing? Raise your hands.
I'm raising my hand quite highly here. It would make me look like more of a redneck than I already am. Not to say that I wouldn't invest in some if I started hunting again.

-38SnubFan
 
AND IT DOESN"T TROUBLE YOU

that they can enter your abode without a warrant? Wheres the constitutional rights I keep hearing and seeing so little of? IF they could prove he had done something wrong, great. But we are talking kids here who have great imagination. Any more I think I would let them stand on my porch while I call my lawyer and if he advised to let them search with him present MAYBE.
 
I'm sorry, but these are lethal weapons we're speaking about here, not cars.

Cars far more lethal than guns . . . . not a rant, just the truth. Both objects, both dangerous - the analogy holds.

I don't see any responsible police officer/investigator going to that level just on reasonable suspcion.

Well there's the rub: "responsible". What if they're not?

Most cops are ok, don't want to start the cop bashing. But some are uber-citizens and the thing they like least are plain old citizens like us with guns.

Bottom line: if they had something on this guy they should have charged him. Period.

It's when I read threads like this that I really fear for the future of the country.
 
Who on here does NOT own some camouflage clothing? Raise your hands.
I don't. My Mom has a camo baseball cap that she got at the fair, though. :D

Spiffy'n'Wild, I thought that what made, uh, one's :evil: butt look big was, ummmm, uh, ...

fat?

:neener:


I won't be living next to any schools. Ever.
 
I'm starting to greatly dislike the growing majority of people in these forums who tend to believe that law enforcement is consistently working against them.
Not "consistently," but often enough to offend.
You pay them, they work for you. That's how law enforcement/public service employees operate (in most cases).
Dream on, friend. Most LEOs right here on this forum have clearly and succinctly stated this is not so.

TC
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