Gun ownership in France -- still active

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Ahhhhhh! Those Winchesters are making my eyes bug out, Frenchbushmaster! :D:D:D
How did you guys get 'em all over there an' how come there are so few here!:scrutiny:????

I will NEVER say anything bad about the French ever ever ever ever again!!!!!

And I take back everything bad I've said to date!!!:eek: (Not that it was a lot!):scrutiny:
 
Wow!
Allot of those tables would put some of our small gun shows to shame.
Thanks for all the info and pics and in teaching me a few new things.
 
Hi,

Our french legislation about western weapon is realy fun.
Except modern Scofield, SAA1873 (uberti, pietta, etc.) you need an authorisation for buy them.
The original version are free sell. I could buy a schofield 44 russian simply with my identity card. It's a collection weapon. No problem. Except I could not buy ammo !?:scrutiny:

All the Winchester, Sharp, trap door, black powder rifle are free sell.
Like the cap primer revolver.

In my next post I will send you some picture of the first AR15DAY in France. Organise buy MaxFr a very active member of AR15France.com my primary shooting forum.

See you, Mick.
 
To make sure that I understand this correctly.

1. In France, the use of a handgun in personal protection, even if your life is in jeopardy will most likely lead to criminal prosecution of the victim?

2. Ammunition must be stored away from firearms?

3. Concealed carry is illegal.?

4. Obviously criminals are aware of this, therefore where is the upside? I don't understand.

5. There is obviously room for MUCH improvement.
 
What are the prices of some of the antiques in France? How much will an origional Shoefield or a Spencer cost in Euros for example?

If I make a trip over there it may be a good idea to bring a few back.
 
40SW :
1 - Absolutly, the law is clear. Auto defense definition is your answer must be egal level of attaque level. If your agressor carry an edge weapon and you shoot him. You are a killer.
Of course sometime the judgement are not so ... strict. You are not a killer, you were at at home and the personn shoot was agressive, etc. etc.
It's clear you will have many problem. Like probably loose your legal possess weapons autorisation.

2 - Yes, it's a recommandation. You are not obliged. But the law say it's better to store the weapon and ammo's in two differents rooms or two different safe.

3 - Concealed carry is completly illegal. Carry a gun is illegal. If you have a police patrol controle, you must explain from where you come from and where you go with your weapon (ex : My house => to my usual shooting range, or an other shooting range for a contest). Alway the gun in a bag or a suit-case. NEVER in holster.

4 - Dont try to understand somethink stupid my friend ;)
The only think clear for criminals working here is that it's an easy job, nobody have gun, nobody are dangerous.

5 - Yes, yes. The problem is that we are in a defensive position.
In our constitution, the citizen could have guns. But it's not an important point because we never have a system like your "minute men" or the switzerland constitution (every citizen become a soldier in case of war).
We have no risk if we dont have any big troubl with authorised weapons. At the first massacre perpetrate like incident in some american campus we will loose our gun. It's sure.
We have dodge a law for ban guns after a problem like this in the NANTERRE townhall. it's clear we have not loose our gun this time but the bullet miss the mark but not far.


NOVUS COLLECTUS :
Exemple of price.
For a modern cap primer uberti or pietta (rem 1858, colt1861, colt1851,etc.)you must pay 250 to 450 euros (~ 470 to 610 $)
For an original semi-automatique Colt 1900 38auto = 4500 to 5000 euros (~6100 to 6800 $)
For a S&W n°3 or Schofield 2500 to 4000 euros (~ 3400 to 5400 $)
For all the modern lever action winchester 1866 / 1873 / 1894 and the Henry rifles (uberti, rossi, etc.) = 1000 to 1500 euros (~ 1300 to 2000 $)

If you want a price for a specifique model, say me witch model. I could found it for compare.:)

Have a nice day.
 
Frenchbushmaster:
That was an excellent and detailed explanation, thank you. It was also very eloquent. It is very surprising to me that a nation like France, with such a rich culture of intellectual thinking , would adopt such policies that are not friendly to the citizen and his/her protection. This defies logic, but politicians don't always pursue logic.
I am not at all surprised that the French members of this discussion board are so constructive in their thinking, this is a common demoninator among individuals in all shooting sports globaly, not to sound arrogant, but the best people I have met, are those in the shooting sports. It seems to bring together a higher caliber of people. Thank you again for your contribution, it was refreshing and shattered alot of our stereotypes, it is easy for us to sometimes make fun of the French, just like French make fun of our "cowboy culture", but we have now real evidence that reality is much different. Intelligent people are intelligent people , and they are found everywhere.
 
Ouch.

Thanks Frenchbushmaster, I think I'll wait until the dollar to Euro exchange rate is the opposite of where it is now.

I bought my steel frame 1858 Pietta a number of years ago for less than $180 and I could by one new today for about $200 to $225 as an example.
 
40SW :
It's a pleasure to explain witch life shooters have here in France.
Same note than you with all the shooters I meet.
It's a great familly with a lot of passion and a global vision of laws and respect.
We are responsables peoples and citizens and we dont say the tool (guns) are the problem. But some bad guy's are this problem.

Dont worry, we have a lor of humour.:p

NOVUS COLLECTUS :
Ah ah ah ah !!:D
Price in France are usualy 50% to 400% more expensive than in USA.
This is why actualy with the rate of change we order a maximum of parts for custom our weapon in USA.:)
 
30 cal slob :
Mister Sarkozy have many think to do.
He say us (shooter) the law was good and dont need to be more sever.
Only to be respected. That all.
We have an association of Gunsmith, shooting federation, collectionneur, etc ..
They are a bit like an expert office who discuse with the ministery of defense and the politicians for defense of our freedom.

Gustav :
Absolutly, it's axactly like in your GUN SHOW. It's simply smaller :rolleyes:
We are only 200 000 shooter in France. It's a small group of people.

Tommygunn :
Thank's guy !!
We are all brother in arms.;)
 
Salut frenchbushmaster et barman!

I'm French-American, lived in the US all my life though, and have been aware of some of these laws, but it was very interesting to learn more about the specifics of them, since most of my family are not shooters, or just don't talk about it. Thanks for discussing them! My uncle showed me a Luger his father took off a German officer he killed in WWII, but then said it was technically illegal for him to have the gun, and he hid it from his wife, because it scared her. I always thought that it was odd for that pistol to be illegal, since he's a colonel in l'armee de terre! Thinking back on it, he probably meant it was illegal by his wife's laws.

I had a few questions though. I was wondering whether you can own a fully automatic gun in France. For example, could you purchase a FAMAS G2 without any modifications on it, exact same as the soldiers carry?

I have also been interested in buying some French military grade weapons, particularly the PGM lapua magnum (Mini-Hecate) and a FAMAS. Do you know if the manufacturers would sell to civilians, foreign or domestic? I know it would likely be very expensive, but eventually I may have the money and would really like to buy them.

Merci pour les informations! :)
 
Hello,

No problem, We could try to answer you all your question ;)

For the LUGER clear it's a not authorised weapon. Not because you could not buy it. But because he is not a shooter in a club. So he could not ask for the paper for possess officialy this weapon (1 categrorie alinéa 1).
He could declare it after to be declare like shooter and with all the obligation joined to this, like shoot minimum 3 times each year, etc...

For the FAMS Sorry my friend but your right.
Here nobody (civilian) could possess a full auto weapon. It's strictly forbidden since 1995:banghead::(

But a semi automatique it's possible.
this is the picture of the rifle of a friend.
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Semi-automatique .223 caliber.

Not so easy to found. Sometime an old model in semi-auto using .222 rem caliber.

Not so easy to found modern french weapon. Usualy our government prefer send it to USA or any other foreign market. Or destroy it :banghead:

For the PGM if it is the model in .338 LAPUA MAGNUM it's not a problem in France. Forbidden in Germany, but free purchase in France.;)

See you, Mick.
 
=( the french have better gun laws than CA.

at least there's a way to get stuff. Here it's just, no you can't have that... that's a felony... that's an illegal configuration... that's a public nuisance... that's a condor hazard... and "I feel sorry for you, that you feel you need to protect yourself all the time... I have complete faith in the police and their ability to protect me" (mainly verbatim quote from one of the Vtech victims at their antigun protest yesterday).

I'm _so_ going to check out TN this coming march.
 
Thanks for the info. In the good old USA the many are ignorant to the rest of the world or brainwashed by conservitive media. You would be horrified by how many people hate "the French" just because ignorant talk radio hosts says the french evil.

Cheers!
 
Yes, our gun laws are not so bad :D
CA is a realy hard state for gun law :(

Cornman :
My friend we have the same conservitive media brainwashed the public opinion about weapons and shooter. They define what is good and what is bad.
They are the new masters of the unic thought.:eek:

I know than many european peoples have a vision realy bad of USA for the same reason. We are victims of this system.

It's why we must talk and share our reality.
Without any filter ;)

See you, Mick.
 
Thank you for all of your information frenchbushmaster!

Last summer my family and I were in Paris (Montmarte) for a month, and then in Aix-en-Provence for another month. It certainly would have been great to have done some shooting, however I did greatly enjoy the excellent food, wine, and French people I had the privledge of meeting.

I can't wait to get back to France, maybe this summer again!
 
Wow, a semi-auto FAMAS. That is very cool. Alas, something we'll probably never see here in America.

Thanks for all the information, frenchbushmaster. I had the pleasure of visiting France in 1985 and I would love to go back some time. There is a belief among some Americans (ones who presumably neither speak French nor have been to France) that if one goes to France and doesn't speak French perfectly, one better not speak it at all. I can say from direct personal experience that it's not true. In fact, the patience with which my horrific high-school French was tolerated and encouraged by the kind people of Paris is one of the many reasons I'm a Francophile. :)
 
Thanks every body for your positive opinion.:)
I used to say we are not as the same level of kindness than some american I meet.
But we (French) become more and more kind every year.
I'm happy to see my compatriots improve their courtesy with peoples visiting their country.
The most important is wher you are, but where you will be tomorrow.

See you, Mick.
 
"a semi-auto FAMAS. That is very cool. Alas, something we'll probably never see here in America"

2 or 3 of them change hands every year in US.
 
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