Gun safe - dial combination or electronic?

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Having recently been bitten (rather severely) by the milsurp bug, I've badly outgrown my one meager gun safe. The only cure is to get another to go with it.

I've got two Sentry safes (not fancy, but affordable) in mind at local stores and they both cost the same. One is dial, which I currently have and it works fine. The other is electronic, which I have no experience with.

I'm leaning towards the electronic model. It seems handier, but... are they as reliable? Are they prone to malfunction? Anybody know any good reason(s) not to get one? Horror stories, anyone....? :confused:
 
I have mechanical locks on all of my safes. My girlfriend prefers the electronic. Of course, the locks on my safes are not going to be the same as the locks on the Sentry.

Depending on the safe, you're probably going to get something Chinese. Some of the higher end Sentry safes do have US made locks. Modern mechanical locks have been around for many many years, and have a very good track record. Electronic locks are still fairly new, and suffer the same problems all other electronic devices have.

If you need something easy and fast, go electronic. If you need something that will give you years of reliable service, go manual.
 
I just got a Champion, and went manual... None of my guns are electronic, why break the trend..... Ha Ha....
 
For a Sentry it probably doesn't matter, but in general I've heard too many stories about electronic locks being bypassed to trust 'em.
To make a mechanical lock 'quick access' you can always leave it with only one number left to turn. Depends on your comfort level.
 
I have both and electronic is much easier to open in a hurry or in the dark by touch. Just remember to have spare batteries :rolleyes:
 
Hypothetical question- they come by to 'confiscate' your firearms, but they're in a hurry and can't get into your safe. How difficult would it be to disable either type of lock-with a sledgehammer, say- to prevent you from opening it either?
 
A good argument for not keeping all your eggs in one basket.
I liked the scene in Molon Labe when the guy left his safes open so they wouldn't cut into them. :D
 
Hypothetical question- they come by to 'confiscate' your firearms, but they're in a hurry and can't get into your safe. How difficult would it be to disable either type of lock-with a sledgehammer, say- to prevent you from opening it either?

Wont be easy.
But if they (whomever) wants to confiscate your guns they will take the whole safe. A thief will move on to your TV, or any movable easily fenced items.

My safes have good old S&G'S dials.
 
Okay guys - I appreciate the input. Talked me into it, too.

I got the dial safe today. Like it!

But..... when the manufacturer says "14 gun safe", they must be talking about BB guns or something. There's NO way I was able to get more than 11 rifles in that puppy - unless I wanted to scratch them more than the total they accumulated during their various war services (milsurp, right?).

Again... thanks.. :)
 
Most gun safes could be opened in just a few minutes with common hand tools. When somebody wants in, including the government, they get in.

I've been called out on government raids to open safes believed to hold evidence. Sometimes when I'm not getting there fast enough, they let the fire department have a go at it. The jaws of life will pop a gun safe open in less than a minute. It takes a little longer to do it the old fashioned way, by hand.
 
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Most gun safes could be opened in just a few minutes with common hand tools. When somebody wants in, including the government, they get in.

I've been called out on government raids to open safes believed to hold evidence. Sometimes when I'm not getting there fast enough, they let the fire department have a go at it. The jaws of life will pop a gun safe open in less than a minute. It takes a little longer to do it the old fashioned way, by hand.
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So secondary thing is put in a location where it isn't easily seen, ie false wall or behind another object. I mean there's nothing man makes that can't be destroyed. Would be curious how the Jaw of Life would get hold on a safe as on mine the door is recessed and the hinges hidden I suppose you could nip the corner and work on it from there. Must be interesting if they loose their case and are billed by the innocent for a new safe. :cuss:
 
In many cases the safes I mentioned are located in somebody's house or business that's suspected of drug sales. Of the ones that I have opened, there has always been a lot of money, drugs, or both.

The owners are asked for the combination first, and if they refused, a locksmith (or in some cases the fire department) is called. It is covered by a search warrant.

The steel on most gun safes isn't too much thicker than that of automobile panels. There are plenty of tools on a fire truck that could be used to open the safe in about the same amount of time it takes to dial the combination.
 
manual, We have a manual. It has a nice day lock feature. I know there was a reason we din't go digital...hmm I really can not think of why but the manual works great and the day lock feature it awsome. I don't find it hard to open in a hurry at all. This coming from a chick who couldn't open a combo lock on her locker in high school. I really love the combo. At 1st I was a bit worried but it really simple. We have a liberty safe that my whole family can fit in.
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I am standing in front of it. It had to do into the living room because it wouldn't fit down the hall. :)
 
To make using the dial easier...
Paint the numbers and the lines for fives in different colors. I used white for the numbers and orange for the fives. It speeds up my dialing by about 500%.

Gun safes only keep out the casual thief. They will go get your sledge hammer and pry bar from your house/garage and make it so the safe cant be openned, by them or you. They'll hammer the dial or keypad off and then try to pry the safe open. Lock your sledges and pry bars in the safe. :)
 
funny... An aquaintence of mine's home got ripped off last year. They got everything of value that wasn't in the safe. They smashed the electronic lock and really gumbied the rest of the safe. The thieves had complete access to his shop and tools. No entry to the safe. And even though the 'lectronix were smashed, they still worked. OK -Mediocre pro's. It appeared that they used crow bars and sledge hammers on every opening. I dunno, last I figger'd, thieves don't carry "Jaws of Life" in their hip pocket. Now, even if I had a big screen TV, It would be much simpler to get than my safe and contents. Location is everything. It's in the basement. Oh, and the stairwell turns 1/3 up. It weren't no picnic getting it down there. Loaded, It won't be fun getting it out. It's my hope that the average thief is going to see the safe, sigh, and then take the smaller TV.

Oh, and good for you to go with the mechanical dial.

-Steve
 
day lock feature is where you have a key tot he combo and you don't have to fiddel witht he combo. Just turn the dial to a desinated # and place in the key an dit's locked. To ope from day lock in sert the ket to allow the dial to move freely and reset to the desinated number rotate that handle and your in.

then you have the full combo option where you need combo all the time, it's great, we go away on trips full lock down we are in and out all day just a day lock works fine.
 
If a theif with access to shop tools can't get into a 10 or 12 guage steel safe (same thickness used in commercial counter tops, burial urns, cookware, and even some automotive body panels), then they should find a new line of work.

This is a Liberty safe that shows what less than 5 minutes with an axe can do. The theif was gone before the police responding to the alarm got there.

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Gun safes are made for guns. Not documents, photo albums, money, or valuables. If you have a valuable gun collection, you need to move up into a real safe, and not a tin can with a pretty paint job.
 
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A dealers job is to sell safes at a huge mark-ups because they dont make much in the way of profits on new gun sales. Accessories including gun safes have inflated and unjustified mark-ups in gun stores. Factory direct saves you hundreds.

Would you like the factory's good deal or the middleman's?

These same "safes" if you can call them "safes" are constructed from flimsy 12 gauge steel which is less than 1/8" of an inch thick. (that's the same as most filing cabinets!) I don't know about you, but I can't see myself sticking guns worth thousands of dollars in a 12 gauge filing cabinet. A combo lock does not mean "safe".I could see buying 12 gauge if you are just looking to protect the kids but don't think for 1 second those guns are safe from thieves or fire! A security cabinet is not a safe! When choosing between 1/4" or 12 (which is about 1/8") gauge,

Which would you choose?

When it comes to gun safe interiors don't be talked into fuzzy residential carpeting. Fuzz and gun oil don't mix let me tell you. The truth is these guys are just making more money buy passing off remnant carpet as "high grade" interior.

Do you want fuzz, dust and moisture caught in you gun collection and other valuables?

A hinge on any door's 1st purpose is to swing the door. Alot of gun safe companies are trying to pass off internal hinges as better. The truth is their just cheaper to construct. They might look good but your door will only open 90 degrees instead of 180 degrees. The second thing is the door cannot be taken off for moving the safe. They tend to sag over the years not to mention they cut away the fire protection to house the internal hinge which depletes the fire rating.

Are internal hinges that good looking?

The thing that I would warn about most in the gun safe industry is the blatant disregard for security. A few companies have gone as far to show the internal boltwork or giving a diagram of how the relockers work. In some cases even showing the actual relocker and the way its placed in the safe. To me this is the first sign of a company that cares more about the bottom dollar rather than if your goods will always be safely protected.

Do you want to buy a safe that every crook in the world know's exactly how your keeping him out?

99.9 % of all gun safe manufacturers will tell you that their product is the best in the industry, we'll tell you that if it has at least 1/2" body construction, 1/4" door, Top and bottom locking bolts they might be right!
When shopping for your safe remember that you will have it forever. Remember that what you pay for your safe is buying a lifetime of protection and piece of mind. Take your time, don't be rushed or pushed into what someone else thinks is right for you. Regardless of the great deal your being offered a serious purchase that you have to live with forever deserves a little thought and consideration.
 
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"When choosing between 1/4" or 12 (which is about 1/8") gauge,

Which would you choose?"

I'd take 1/2", but that's beside the point.

Interesting site, but where are the specs on the door, wall, back and top thicknesses? I don't see where they actually come out and say what they are using.

John
 
If you're in the market for something slightly better than your typical gun safe, I would check out the BF series by AMSEC.

The safes sell in the same price range, but the construction and security are steps above the others. Part of that has to do with the fact that AMSEC is a real safe company, and not a gun safe company.

If you need a high security gun safe, AMSEC makes those as well. Graffunder also makes a very nice high end gun safe.
 
what's wrong with sentries?

i have one. cost about 369 so after taxes, installation, bolting into concrete, etc, was about 500. it doesn't seem like a filing cabinet to me. what's wrong with it?
 
There's nothing wrong with a Sentry safe, so long as you're fully aware of the level of protection it provides. Sentry makes many inexpensive safes because there is a large market for them. Unfortunately, most consumers are not very knowledgeable when it comes to security products and base their purchase on the price tag.

To me, keeping valuables in a Sentry and expecting it to protect them would be similar to me buying a Ford Festiva and expecting to be a contender in a NASCAR race. If you want to run with the big dogs, you have to pay to play.

Sentry makes great document safes. Their gun safes are OK for preventing smash and grab burglaries or keeping the kids out. All in all, there's nothing wrong with keeping an average gun selection in a Sentry safe.

A $100 safe won't protect $50,000 worth of valuables.
 
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