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Go with steel. Anyone with an elbow or crowbar can best a wooden gun cabinet. Steel is a little bit tougher for your typical smash and grab burglars.
 
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Most burglars are not pros. Steel will protect you a lot more than wood. Will it prevent a true pro from taking your stuff? No. Will it protect your stuff from meth heads and junkies? Most of the time, yes. Not always. You won't have "any" protection with wood.

BTW where I come from the best defense is a good solid 4th of July type demonstration at least once a year. Word gets around. Get yourself a good battle carbine with a large capacity mag and blast up heck for a few minutes so that the bad guys know what they're up against. Maybe you can't do that where you live. You're better off if you can. Just sitting on your porch with an SKS with a big mag installed is pretty good too. An SKS is cheap but very effective. It's not worth the risk of breaking in to try to steal it when you might have to face it when you find yourself inside the house. That's what you want the bad guys to think anyway. The best protection for a house is a shotgun unless you live in a very remote area. I've lived in places like that but we still used shotguns for defense. But having the bad guys know you have serious firepower available can make them think twice about entering your house especially if they can't predict when you will be there and when you won't.

Before the naysayers start on me I will say that my SKS with large detachable mags works perfectly. But I have not converted my newer model because I think stripper clips work better. They load faster and you can carry more ammo with you. But it's true that a battle carbine with a large mag will make bad guys think twice about your house. An AR is a lot more expensive usually so people may be willing to risk getting in to steal one of those. The same goes for AK's and other battle carbines. To me an SKS is effective without the high monetary value to inspire thieves to try to steal it.
 
With a wood gun cabinet, I ran a bike cable through holes in the sides, around the back, and lock it through the trigger guards. Idle curious kids? Stopped. Typical smash-grab-run burglars who don't want to be caught carrying "burglary tools"? Stopped. The international jewel thieves from Topkapi? If they're in my neighborhood, I feel sorry for them.

But serious gun security starts with a safe.
 
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You can`t have it both ways....................
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Maybe you can. When I outgrew my safe, I decided to build a "more secure room" during our recent house remodel. I replaced the door and jambs from the study (a spare bedroom-turned-hobby room) with an exterior 6-panel steel door that matched the 6-panel wood doors throughout our house. Before installing the door and while replacing the drywall in an adjacent room, I drilled 3/4 inch holes horizontally through the center of the studs and placed 1/2" rebar through them, building a sort of steel cage to prevent somebody from entering the room by kicking through the sheetrock. After plumbing and adjusting the door with solid shims, I replaced the hinge and strike screws with 3-1/2 inch ones. It has a deadbolt, which I spray painted white to blend in with the white paint of our trim and doors. The whole thing cost less than 300 bucks.

My wife was ambivalent about the project at first, but even she'll admit that the steel door is virtualy indistinguishable from the other doors in our house. I still secure my pistols and revolvers in our safe, along with a few high-dollar rifles, but now I can display some of my rifles on the wall in the study in relative security---at least from the typical semi-pro or amateur thief.
 
I live in a working class apartment complex in the middle of town. I think that alone rules out all but the smash and grab guys.

A big part of my home security involves not looking like I have anything worth stealing. If you get into my front door the first thing you’re going to see is a 15 YO tube TV sitting on top of a Target entertainment center that contains a 25 YO Kenwood stereo that was worth a thousand dollars way back in the 20th century. The Xbox might be worth taking but that’s about it.

As for the guns, when we moved in the first thing off the truck was the RSC. It went straight to the bedroom and there’s been no indication that we own guns since. I don’t open carry, I don’t have NRA stickers on my car, I don’t talk guns with the neighbors.

One of my wife’s former employers had an unsecured handgun stolen from under his bed by someone that worked for an apartment complex he lived in. That would probably be my biggest concern and I’m pretty sure an RSC would stop that.
 
Astra600;

I'd be interested in finding out just what exactly that best safe money could buy was, by make and model. If you could please get that information for me, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks, 900F
 
BTW where I come from the best defense is a good solid 4th of July type demonstration at least once a year. Word gets around. Get yourself a good battle carbine with a large capacity mag and blast up heck for a few minutes so that the bad guys know what they're up against. Maybe you can't do that where you live. You're better off if you can. Just sitting on your porch with an SKS with a big mag installed is pretty good too. An SKS is cheap but very effective. It's not worth the risk of breaking in to try to steal it when you might have to face it when you find yourself inside the house. That's what you want the bad guys to think anyway. The best protection for a house is a shotgun unless you live in a very remote area. I've lived in places like that but we still used shotguns for defense. But having the bad guys know you have serious firepower available can make them think twice about entering your house especially if they can't predict when you will be there and when you won't.

Before the naysayers start on me I will say that my SKS with large detachable mags works perfectly. But I have not converted my newer model because I think stripper clips work better. They load faster and you can carry more ammo with you. But it's true that a battle carbine with a large mag will make bad guys think twice about your house. An AR is a lot more expensive usually so people may be willing to risk getting in to steal one of those. The same goes for AK's and other battle carbines. To me an SKS is effective without the high monetary value to inspire thieves to try to steal it.
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Wait a minute Cee Zee..... To each their own, and if this works for you, then go for it I guess. But are you saying the best defense against thieves is to sit on your front porch brandishing firearms, hope criminals who may want to rob you see you doing this, all in order to scare them? Then if there is a holiday and you think you can get away with it, fire off some rounds in your neighborhood? Am I misunderstanding your post?????? Really asking here not being a jerk.

If I am understanding you correctly.... then I would respectfully disagree with your reasoning. Firing a gun in a populated area is a bad idea, unless you have a proper range set up. And perhaps you do. But do you really think you are being effective by sitting on your porch with a loaded gun and looking scary?

More than that, you are advertising that you have guns in your home. I mean, really? You might as well put up a neon sign in your yard that reads "Guns inside. Just wait for me to leave the house." Like I said, to each their own, and I mean no disrespect, but in my personal opinion, this is THE worst plan for protecting your valuables and home I have ever heard.
 
Cee Zee said:
BTW where I come from the best defense is a good solid 4th of July type demonstration at least once a year. Word gets around. Get yourself a good battle carbine with a large capacity mag and blast up heck for a few minutes so that the bad guys know what they're up against. Maybe you can't do that where you live. You're better off if you can. Just sitting on your porch with an SKS with a big mag installed is pretty good too. An SKS is cheap but very effective. It's not worth the risk of breaking in to try to steal it when you might have to face it when you find yourself inside the house. That's what you want the bad guys to think anyway. The best protection for a house is a shotgun unless you live in a very remote area. I've lived in places like that but we still used shotguns for defense. But having the bad guys know you have serious firepower available can make them think twice about entering your house especially if they can't predict when you will be there and when you won't.

Before the naysayers start on me I will say that my SKS with large detachable mags works perfectly. But I have not converted my newer model because I think stripper clips work better. They load faster and you can carry more ammo with you. But it's true that a battle carbine with a large mag will make bad guys think twice about your house. An AR is a lot more expensive usually so people may be willing to risk getting in to steal one of those. The same goes for AK's and other battle carbines. To me an SKS is effective without the high monetary value to inspire thieves to try to steal it.
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And where you come from is...?

Where I come from, lighting up the neighborhood in the middle of town with "a good battle carbine with a large capacity mag and blast up heck for a few minutes" would be frowned upon heavily, to put it mildly.

And if I lived somewhere where I COULD cut loose with "a good battle carbine with a large capacity mag and blast up heck for a few minutes", then who would be around to see the demonstration other than, maybe, a neighbor or two who are very likely to be neighborly? At least until I cut loose like a maniac.

I don't WANT word to get around that I'm a nutcase with firearms for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that even the most ardent nutcase with firearms can't be at home 100% of the time, wide awake and alert guarding the house 24 hours a day against an invasion by some bad guy.

Risk is relative. If I were a criminal, I'd be constantly evaluating the risk of any action and planning accordingly for whatever criminal act I wanted to commit. You can bet your last firearm that if I was out to rob a house and wanted to choose a home that had firearms available, I'd take serious note of your activities because I KNOW you won't be home all the time.

A "reputation" only goes so far...and it's worthless if you're not around to capitalize on it.
 
I hope Cee Zee was only joking. Or maybe he's been discussing home security with Joe Biden.
 
I am sure for a price you can find a company that will build a steel safe with thick plexi or better material then skn the thing with wood so it looks like a wood gun cabinet. Probably be expensive.
 
Then if there is a holiday and you think you can get away with it, fire off some rounds in your neighborhood? Am I misunderstanding your post??????
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Good grief. Can't you people read? I plainly said, " Maybe you can't do that where you live. You're better off if you can." That rules out "town" in almost all forms. Not everyone lives in town guys. I live in the genuine country where I can shoot out my front door if I feel like it (and have done so many times). There are houses not real far away. There are no laws to prevent me from firing in a safe direction. I've checked it out with the local sheriff's department, trust me.

Why do you assume everyone lives in town? That is so far from being true it's ridiculous. I have actually lived in far more remote areas than I live now. I've moved over the last year from the place I lived 25 years (and still own the house) and I moved to another place I can shoot out the front door. I'm in the process of moving again to an even better place where I can shoot varmints, deer, and other game animals from my back porch.

Are you aware that 90% of the USA is outside of "town"? Yes most of the population lives in cities, poor devils. But please, stay there. I like it that I have 90% of America to roam around without being in town. It is pretty disturbing that people live so isolated from the real world (where trees grow and wild things live) that they think it doesn't even exist. I wish you were kidding about being so uninformed about life outside of cities but sadly you aren't obviously.
 
Security isn't often about beating a pro at his game, rather it's about beating the average criminal under ordinary circumstances. ANY safe can be breached given a properly experienced thief with enough time to do so, but that absolutely does not represent the average criminal. As such, even a basic metal locking box will deter many criminals, since their MO is to get in and out of your house as quickly as possible with whatever they can grab. Your wood display case is easily within the realm of ANY smash-n-grab burglar, since they don't need to have any real tools or techniques to breach that case, and it really takes no time to do so.

Moreover, having your guns displayed prominently in such a case makes them much more likely targets during a burglary. I've investigated plenty of burglaries where the burglar missed guns that were hidden in the back of closets, or in unusual spots in the house. But, I've rarely seen a case where an obviously available gun was left during a burglary (such as guns sitting out in plain view, guns in nightstand or dresser drawers, etc. -- all prime targets for theft).

If you feel that you're at a pretty low risk for burglary and really want to display your guns, that's certainly something you can do. But, do realize that the wood/glass cases provide no security against burglars, even when compared to the cheapest and lightest metal cabinets that are bolted to the floor.
 
Banks have a safe...we have a home storage device

Our home "safe" is not really a safe. My neighbor had a 2000.00 Cannon Safe and the burglars cut through the steel with a cut off saw like it was butter. They are fine for keeping children and nosy guests out of your personal stuff but not adequate for true security. If you have a hiding place in your house....under the floor, in the walls.....somewhere out of site you can use your "safe" as a decoy. I felt sick to my stomach when I saw what they did to my neighbor's safe. I spent a lot of money on my safe...which is not even as stout as his was. Disturbing as it is I still rely on my alarm system and the pseudo safe. The police won't come in time if the alarm goes off and I am not at home......so...I am open to suggestions as well.
 
And I'm dead serious about targeting homes of known gun owners if I were a criminal.
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Right. And the fact that I'm retired and home 99% of the time has nothing to do with any of this either, right? But even when I was working my strategy worked perfectly. Nearly every house on my road had at least one break in over a 5 year period - my house was a rare exception. My neighbor two doors down had at least 2 break ins that I know about. My next door neighbor had one too. There was a pro crew working the whole area.

Again bad guys aren't going to risk breaking in on a house with a cheap battle carbine. The risk vs. reward ratio is way too much against them. They could be "seriously dead" trying to steal a gun that might bring them $50 as a hot item. I have evidence for that too.

I lived in my house for 25 years and never had anything stolen. And I'll take your word for what works just as soon as I start losing things to thieves. Your "expert" opinion on what "ain't the best way of doing things" does not impress me.

You didn't even read what I wrote and when that becomes obvious you just get more strident. I think we've seen enough here. Come back when you have a point based on something besides your opinion. I have 25 years of evidence to back up my "way of doing things".

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My neighbor had a 2000.00 Cannon Safe and the burglars cut through the steel with a cut off saw like it was butter.
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There is a true expert that posts on these forums. He has gone into great detail about how to pick a safe. BTW most of what are commonly called "safes" are actually classified as "residential security containers". There is a difference between construction of one safe and another too. Things that matter include wall thickness and the type of welding used. It's true that the safes you see are not likely to deter experts or even determined first timers. But even the best safe is no absolute guarantee of security. There is always a risk vs. price assessment to be made. For example the most expensive safes (RSC's) Cannon makes uses 10 ga. steel. That's considered the bare minimum for protection by places like this:

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunsafes.html

And again there are more issues to consider like the type of weld used among other things. You can learn a lot about safes from this web page:

http://www.sturdysafe.com/gimmicks.htm

BTW they claim even 10 ga. steel isn't adequate to prevent entry into your safe. They sell safes as thick as 4 ga.. That's much thicker than the safe you'll find at your local post office and they buy good safes. Of course steel costs money though. You can quickly get into the $3000 range on a safe of the same size that would likely sell for as little as $1000 if it used 12 ga. steel. I'm talking about a 60" X 48" X 24" safe here.

Just to be honest here (and not trying to step on any toes) that Cannon safe is not considered to be high quality in almost any way. The steel on a $2000 Cannon safe is likely 12 ga. or even 14 ga.. For example the "Patriot" series Cannon safe uses 14 ga. steel on the door. It does use 12 ga. on the rest of the body but it's the door that needs the most protection.

I'm not saying that a RSC like that Cannon is useless. Any locked steel box is going to slow down even the best thief. And time is the real key for the most part. A safe should be part of a security system that should include a good burglar alarm with a monitored setup. That certainly won't stop a thief either. A person needs several layers of protection IMO. Those guns themselves are at the heart of a good system if you ask me. I've described my thinking on that in previous posts. But the way I do thinks won't work for most Americans. Using your safe as a decoy is a good idea but burglars are good at finding things. Just don't leave things in obvious hiding spots and don't leave things like jewelry in a jewelry box. Most of this is common sense type stuff.

No safe will keep out a truly determined pro with lots of time. Keep in mind that locksmiths are trained to get into your safe no matter what. There's nothing stopping a pro from learning those locksmith tricks. They might even work as a locksmith as a day job (or night job as it may be). The best we can do is to look around at the info available and do what we can with the resources we have. Personally I have a 12 ga. steel RSC that does have decent welds and a fair fire protection rating. But I'm not expecting it to keep out someone that has been doing break ins for 20 years. There are people like that out there.
 
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Right. And the fact that I'm retired and home 99% of the time has nothing to do with any of this either, right?

Nope, not if I were a criminal marking your property for a hit. I would choose my time and you can bet I'd wait for that 1%.


Again bad guys aren't going to risk breaking in on a house with a cheap battle carbine. The risk vs. reward ratio is way too much against them.

That's why bad guys case the joints they want to hit.


I lived in my house for 25 years and never had anything stolen. And I'll take your word for what works just as soon as I start losing things to thieves. Your "expert" opinion on what "ain't the best way of doing things" does not impress me.

Good for you! Nobody should have their property stolen. And thank you very much, but when I make an "expert opinion" I'll be sure to clarify it as such. Otherwise, my opinion is simply my own, right or wrong.


You didn't even read what I wrote and when that becomes obvious you just get more strident.

Nope. Sorry, my friend. I read every word. I try to understand everything a person writes and, where I'm pretty sure I don't I'll ask for clarification.
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To be sure, there is a time and a place for "showmanship". Even an outright threat of violence. I just don't agree with your method, placement, or timing.

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I just don't agree with your method, placement, or timing.
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Actually you did far more than just disagree with it. You misinterpreted, insulted and belittled it. You slammed for thinking I could shoot in "town" when I clearly said I was in a position to do what I was doing safely and that others might not be (meaning those in town of course). Again, come back with some evidence that it doesn't work to counter my evidence that it does work if you want to discuss the subject. One more time. Every house on my road was broken into at least once EXCEPT MINE (based on the people I actually know and those that asked me to watch their property for them while they weren't around - that comprised quite a few houses and they all asked me to do it because they knew why no one was breaking into my house - I was a one man neighborhood watch for years because my neighbors knew I was prepared for anyone that might try to break in at my place). That's "evidence". Not just opinion.

You aren't going to impress me with your criticism. You got the facts wrong then stubbornly clung to your opinion despite the fact you formed it based on bad interpretations of what was actually going on. I don't enjoy this and I really want it to end. Go pick at someone else. You're not going to change my mind. I don't know why you're still trying.

BTW just for kicks let's talk about the ship you rode around on in the navy. Did they try to hide their strengths from the bad guys or did they employ a strategy of letting everyone know they were in for a fight if they messed with you? I think I know enough about the armed forces to know that they operate from a position of strength and not stealth. That would include the ship you were on even if it was part of a carrier group or whatever. Even the old PBR's in the Brown Water Navy didn't try to hide it's guns. They were there to let everyone know the navy was strong in the area. They weren't there trying to hide their guns so nobody would bother them. The strategy worked for them too. And for certain those Supercarrier groups that project air power throughout the world aren't hiding the fact they have lots of power from the strike fighters they carry not to mention the support ships that accompany them. Those Nimitz-class carriers aren't hoping no one bothers them. They are prepared for the most they can hope to prepare for. Not many countries have the nerve to take on a fleet of that type. The same logic applies to houses in very rural areas. What am I supposed to do? Wait for the LEO's? By the time they show up they would only be taking statements of victims. They can't get to my house in time. It isn't possible. And lots of people have died in the immediate area from violence too.

Don't tell me that projecting a threat is a bad idea. I know better. BTW you do know that the LEO's are not required to protect you no matter where you are, right?
 
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Doc Rizzi;

You can get a true safe in your home. Units for the home market are made by AMSEC (only the very upper end of their product line-up though), Brown, and Graffunder. The cost is, of course, above that of the big box store tin cans. However, the protection level is enhanced beyond the percentage of the increase in cost.

If you're looking for storage for a low four figure collection of arms & valuables, the cost of a true safe doesn't make sense. However, once the replacement cost gets above that, what can you afford to lose?

900F
 
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Cee Zee said:
Actually you did far more than just disagree with it. You misinterpreted, insulted and belittled it. You slammed for thinking I could shoot in "town" when I clearly said I was in a position to do what I was doing safely and that others might not be (meaning those in town of course). Again, come back with some evidence that it doesn't work to counter my evidence that it does work if you want to discuss the subject. One more time. Every house on my road was broken into at least once EXCEPT MINE (based on the people I actually know and those that asked me to watch their property for them while they weren't around - that comprised quite a few houses and they all asked me to do it because they knew why no one was breaking into my house - I was a one man neighborhood watch for years because my neighbors knew I was prepared for anyone that might try to break in at my place). That's "evidence". Not just opinion.

You aren't going to impress me with your criticism. You got the facts wrong then stubbornly clung to your opinion despite the fact you formed it based on bad interpretations of what was actually going on. I don't enjoy this and I really want it to end. Go pick at someone else. You're not going to change my mind. I don't know why you're still trying.

BTW just for kicks let's talk about the ship you rode around on in the navy. Did they try to hide their strengths from the bad guys or did they employ a strategy of letting everyone know they were in for a fight if they messed with you? I think I know enough about the armed forces to know that they operate from a position of strength and not stealth. That would include the ship you were on even if it was part of a carrier group or whatever. Even the old PBR's in the Brown Water Navy didn't try to hide it's guns. They were there to let everyone know the navy was strong in the area. They weren't there trying to hide their guns so nobody would bother them. The strategy worked for them too. And for certain those Supercarrier groups that project air power throughout the world aren't hiding the fact they have lots of power from the strike fighters they carry not to mention the support ships that accompany them. Those Nimitz-class carriers aren't hoping no one bothers them. They are prepared for the most they can hope to prepare for. Not many countries have the nerve to take on a fleet of that type. The same logic applies to houses in very rural areas. What am I supposed to do? Wait for the LEO's? By the time they show up they would only be taking statements of victims. They can't get to my house in time. It isn't possible. And lots of people have died in the immediate area from violence too.

Don't tell me that projecting a threat is a bad idea. I know better. BTW you do know that the LEO's are not required to protect you no matter where you are, right?
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No, I specifically exerpted what you said and qualified my comments accordingly.

And funny you should ask "BTW just for kicks let's talk about the ship you rode around on in the navy. Did they try to hide their strengths from the bad guys or did they employ a strategy of letting everyone know they were in for a fight if they messed with you?"

I'm a retired submariner. Stealth was my first, last, and middle name. And surface ships lost consistently because of that.

Come to that, though surface ships are far more visible than submarines, their exact deployment schedules are still classified for a reason.

Which means that you don't know enough about our armed forces to make the assumption that they "operate from a position of strength and not stealth". There is far more to tactical and strategic doctrine in the military than you are assuming. Far, far more.

Yes, visibility has a role in deterence. But it has it's own limitations. Plenty of such visible roles have still resulted in military engagements.


The analogy you would make between military tactical and strategic doctrine and home defense are not directly applicable. Indeed, one cannot make a direct application across the board within the military itself, either, because all these tactics and doctrines are based upon the capabilities of the various branches and platforms, the equipment they have, their associated missions, and more.


I'm not disagreeing with you based on an assumption of your tactics being utilized in urban regions. I'm disagreeing with you regardless of the location. I'm not trying to change your mind...do as you will. However, others who read this need to have differing viewpoints and the supporting reasons for them. You provide your own, I'll provide mine, and we'll let others decide/debate for themselves on their own merits.

And, as I said in my last post...good for you that your home wasn't broken into. That's good news by any measure.
 
I miss having my wood cabinet with etched glass. But with things the way they are, I went to a steel one. Better security I told myself.
Feel better the wife and I work different shifts. House is hardly never empty.
 
Pal I can guarantee those surface ships might be trying to avoid being detected but everyone who sees one knows what it is and what it does. When a supercarrier group shows up in the Straits of Hormuz it isn't hidden and it most certainly is a threat to anyone who might try something that's over the line. And I'm pretty sure they don't often get "lost" either. Maybe in WWII when other countries tried to compete with the US on the seas. Not since then in any way. Everyone knows where those carrier groups are located at any given time too. And since they are the heart of our foreign policy force they are clearly a threat to anyone who sees them.

You really shouldn't assume you know more about a subject than someone else friend. You don't know what I've done, where I've been or who I know. And despite what you claim, the days of hiding our naval assets went out with the arrival of satellites in the 1960's. Sure we try to hide the subs but the Russians know where they are. They also know they are packing nuclear missles. Again they represent the clear threat of extreme force. The days of sinking merchant ships travelling to Japan are gone as far as that being the only purpose for the sub fleet. Subs really have been easily observable from the air since WWI for anyone that had the planes to fly over the Atlantic. Our own merchant marines were far more successful after aircraft monitored the wolf packs around the mainland of Europe. Yes they still operated away from land fairly successfully but that ended when the planes became capable of flying over greater distances.

If I mentioned my experience here people would take it as bragging. Trust me you have not studied these things more than I have unless you have a masters in history with a specific concentration in the era of modern naval warfare. So maybe I shouldn't point out that I have a history degree that includes a huge amount of study of all military tactics and strategies. That most certainly includes the history of subs and all the other ships on the sea going back to the Vikings and before not to mention the Chinese and the Japanese in the Asian realm. Don't assume you know things about me that you don't. You'll always make mistakes when you assume. Argue the point and not the knowledge of someone you don't know at all. For all you know I could have been an admiral. You can take my friendly advice or you can continue to risk looking very foolish because of your assumptions.

And I would be glad to let you have your viewpoint while I keep mine. But you certainly did not start this conversation with that attitude. You tried to make my strategy out to be dangerous and when that failed you switched to claiming it was ineffective. Now you're trying to make it an agree to disagree type situation. If you had done that from the start we wouldn't still be hashing this out.

This is the last post on the issue. You wiggle and squirm every time I pin you down and make this an argument about something entirely new. That's why arguing on a forum is such a waste of time. No one ever admits they were wrong. Tell me, do you still think it's incredibly reckless to fire off rounds in my yard as you originally argued? You haven't mentioned that for several posts now. But that's where we started. And instead of admitting your original point was wrong you just picked up new criticisms along the way every time I proved your points wrong. Well I'm done here. This can go on forever. I made my point about your original claim and I made it clearly and logically. You were just plain wrong about what you said. Now you want to argue a new point. Do it with someone else.
 
Holy hell!!!! The truck has not only gone off the road, but it has rolled down the hill and burst into flames.

I have never before seen something like the last few posts……. Truely amazing……

Any who…… To the OP, a steel safe or "home security container" or home vault or some sort of reinforced receptical will give you a better shot than a wood cabinet.

If you choose to display the guns, you choose to make your front and rear doors, and windows on your house the barriers to defeat, which will be far more easy to penetrate. A home security system would help perhaps.

There is also the less common "Look scary on your front porch, and hope the bad guys see you." security method.

One method that no one has brought up is the "display your guns as you would care to, and get a pair of big ass dogs" method. Most burgalers would think twice when they hear a pair of rottweilers barking and charging toward a door or window they are trying to open. That represents a huge investment though too.

What will work best for you is a question only you can answer.

If it were me, I'd go for a combination. I'd have a reasonably inexpensive steel gun cabinet in my basement where I'd keep my two polymer guns that are strictly tools, a bit of cash maybe. Then I'd have my revolvers and heirloom guns in a number of well hidden,camouflaged, and reinforced and built into a hardened structure hiding places.

Just what I'd do.
 
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Tell me, do you still think it's incredibly reckless to fire off rounds in my yard as you originally argued? You haven't mentioned that for several posts now.
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Heh! Well, I certainly can't mistake your last posting as bragging! Especially the intimate demonstration on the knowledge of military capabilities and assets. For instance, I absolutely never knew about all those nuclear missiles the last three fast attack submarines I served aboard had on them. My hat's off to you! I certainly don't want to continue to risk looking very foolish on such matters. Perhaps I would have been better served studying naval history in a classroom instead of actually living the life. My bad. I'll be sure to make that a part of my continuing education.

And I believe I did, indeed, continue to disagree with your methodology in my last two posts where I said "I just don't agree with your method, placement, or timing" and "I'm not disagreeing with you based on an assumption of your tactics being utilized in urban regions. I'm disagreeing with you regardless of the location".

Ah, well. I suppose we can agree that this is, indeed, a waste of time.

Not to mention so far off topic that it's embarassing, as well. I, too, shall stop now.


To the OP...my apologies. But to go back to my original posting (#7), though a wooden cabinet will never compare to a steal safe for security, might I also add the following:

Wooden cabinets never really were about "security" in my opinion. They were about having a piece of furniture in which you could store firearms. Some may have had simple wall mounted gun racks, others an actual wood cabinet, and some may have foregone any such and simply put their guns in a closet or such.

At best, the method of storage was about making it inconvenient for children to freely access firearms.

When talking about wooden cabinets for firearms, however, the cabinet itself was as much a thing of beauty as a part of the household decor as it was a place to store firearms.

I look at it this way: you can live your life in constant fear over a variety of things, but when you do you also lose a part of your life as well.

If you would like a wooden firearms cabinet, then get one and be done with it. That isn't to say you have to put all your eggs in one basket, though. Certainly having one (wooden cabinet) does not preclude having the other (safe) as well.

After all...just because one may have a hide-a-bed sofa doesn't mean one can't also have an actual bed.

:)
 
ceezee said:
Every house on my road was broken into at least once EXCEPT MINE (based on the people I actually know and those that asked me to watch their property for them while they weren't around - that comprised quite a few houses and they all asked me to do it because they knew why no one was breaking into my house - I was a one man neighborhood watch for years because my neighbors knew I was prepared for anyone that might try to break in at my place).

The same logic applies to houses in very rural areas. What am I supposed to do? Wait for the LEO's? By the time they show up they would only be taking statements of victims. They can't get to my house in time. It isn't possible. And lots of people have died in the immediate area from violence too.
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Reader's Digest (condensed) version of your rambling posts:

You live in a rural country area, every house but yours has been broken into, lots of people have died in the immediate area from violence while you were a one-man neighborhood watch, and you believe that the bad guys stay away from you because you shoot your SKS off the porch every once in a while. On top of that you believe (incorrectly) that you are a naval warfare expert.

ceezee said:
Don't tell me that projecting a threat is a bad idea. I know better.
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Based on the crime, violence, and death around you described in your posts, you really believe that it's a good idea? :confused:

You might want to consider moving to somewhere a little safer, like a crack house in Washington D.C. or Chicago.

I don't use your "projecting a threat" method, none of the houses around me have been broken into, and no one in the immediate area has died (or even been injured) from violence. I've lived in my suburban neighborhood house since 1991. Nobody shoots rifles off their porch, and the only break-in or violence we've had in 22 years was when some teen-aged girls broke into the neighborhood pool and threw all the furniture in a couple of years ago. Sheriff was at their house the next day after they bragged about it and posted pics of them selves doing it on Facebook!

ceezee said:
Don't assume you know things about me that you don't. You'll always make mistakes when you assume.
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Good advice. You should take it.
 
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