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Perhaps I would have been better served studying naval history in a classroom instead of actually living the life.

Do you think no one knows the navy uses weapons? Do you think the whole world is stupid except for you? You may want to see a doctor about that. One of those doctors that uses a couch that is. And I can guarantee that studying history in a classroom (among other places) will give you a far greater knowledge of the role that navies play in the world. It's silly to think otherwise. You have a very limited perspective if it's all based on your experience. So what, all that stuff they taught me was lies? Being a non-comm gives you very little exposure to overall role of a navy. Believe it or not I have known people that served in the navy. My uncle was in a battle before he realized he was even in dangerous waters. They don't exactly discuss strategy with non-comms. My brother in law didn't know what part of the world he was in half the time. He scraped paint for a living. Yeah he would surely know what size guns the Missouri had or what ship is called "Old Ironsides" and why. He would know that ship is still sailing 215 years after it was commissioned by George Washington. Yeah serving on a ship gives you a complete command of what the navy is all about. Just like me shooting squirrels makes me master of the gun world.

You might want to consider moving to somewhere a little safer, like a crack house in Washington D.C. or Chicago.

Gee I wonder if I can move my house with me. The area has become ground zero for the prescription pain killer abuse epidemic. It wasn't like that when I built my house 25 years ago. Now there have been two network documentaries about the "Hillbilly Heroin" epidemic centered exactly where I live. It has become the 10th highest crime rate area of the entire nation. So you and your smart a__ remarks might want to take a step back and follow the advice you told me to follow. Ask before you assume. 3 drug dealers were shot with shotguns about 2 miles from my house all in front of a 5 year old boy. A woman who went to my Sunday school class was convicted of that crime. A dead body was found about a mile from my house after it had been there almost a year. I picked up a guy who had been carjacked and had a baseball size knot on his head which is just conincidental to the fact he was hit with a baseball bat. Not more than a quarter mile away from that a man was killed. And that doesn't include the intimidation I've suffered from the local drug dealers. And keep in mind there are that many people living in my area yet all this has happened in recent years.

Yes my neighbors asked me to watch out for them because I was the only decent man left in the area. And I had the power to do it. Your smug suggestions show what a total uncaring human you are. You don't know my situation. I guess I should just surrender to the evil scum in my neighborhood. The people cooking meth the next house up the hill or the gang of drug dealers above them should just be ignored even when they threaten me because they are scared I might rat them out. I don't know why they worry because they have the law enforcement bought off. Yeah you know my situation better than I do. You go ahead and make that assumption. Maybe I should just sell out and let some unsuspecting people find out what they got into. Some of us don't like doing things that way. You arrogant... I guess all the dead deer dropped off in front of my house were nothing. They just stunk for a week before I could get the county to haul them off. I guess all the times my mailbox was knocked down was nothing. You stupid... You have no idea what I deal with. And by God I know I would be worse off if they thought I was unarmed. Everyone else in the neighborhood moved out and abandoned their houses. I'm not going to do that. The meth cooks sold their house to an unsuspecting young couple who ignored my warning about what they were getting into. Yeah it was big funny that they asked me to help. People like you...

BTW here's a little information about Scioto County, where I live:

http://www.amazon.com/Hillbilly-Heroin/dp/B004WLZLFC

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/mtgs/drug_chemical/2012/roberts.pdf

http://allthingswildlyconsidered.blogspot.com/2009/11/oxycontin-and-appalachia.html

Do a Google search for oxycontin and Scioto County or Greenup County which is right across the river. You'll get thousands of hits.
 
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ceezee said:
BTW where I come from the best defense is a good solid 4th of July type demonstration at least once a year. Word gets around. Get yourself a good battle carbine with a large capacity mag and blast up heck for a few minutes so that the bad guys know what they're up against.

How's that working out for you?

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Now there have been two network documentaries about the "Hillbilly Heroin" epidemic centered exactly where I live. It has become the 10th highest crime rate area of the entire nation. So you and your smart a__ remarks might want to take a step back and follow the advice you told me to follow. Ask before you assume. 3 drug dealers were shot with shotguns about 2 miles from my house all in front of a 5 year old boy. A woman who went to my Sunday school class was convicted of that crime. A dead body was found about a mile from my house after it had been there almost a year. I picked up a guy who had been carjacked and had a baseball size knot on his head which is just conincidental to the fact he was hit with a baseball bat. Not more than a quarter mile away from that a man was killed. And that doesn't include the intimidation I've suffered from the local drug dealers.

May be time to re-think your defensive strategy. Doesn't sound like it's working out very well.
 
Can you get real security out of a wood gun cabinet with a glass (or plexi) front, or should I go for steel? I like the idea of being able to view the rifles but am concerned that wood is not enough.
That was the original post, hard to believe what the thread has managed to evolve into. I still vote for metal over wood. :)

Ron
 
Sorry about the thread drift. I was just amazed at how bad ceezee's neighborhood had become in just the last week!

ceezee said:
But I can't really complain about the place I live now or the place I'll be living in a couple of weeks or so. Both are very nice. Both are rural areas.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9136090#post9136090

Gee I wonder if I can move my house with me.

Well, are you moving your house with you in a couple of weeks?
 
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Sorry about the thread drift. I was just amazed at how bad ceezee's neighborhood had become in just the last week!

Look hot shot, there are lots of things that aren't going to be mentioned in this thread. You have no idea what you're talking about. I still own that house and my daughter lived there until recently. I don't need to be dragging her or the rest of this story into this stupid thread. You just go on assuming you know everything and I'll continue to know that you don't. My daughter is safe, my house is safe and I want to keep it that way. That's all I'm saying. The last thing I need is for some drug dealing jerk to figure things out so there's no way I'm telling the story here. Got it? If I told you everything I know they could be at my house within an hour. I'm NOT going to do that. So just relax with your smart a__ attitude and go ahead and think you know things you don't. For all I know you're one of that gang of drug dealers that lives close to my house and has harassed me for years. You really don't get it and you won't get me to say it so go flame someone else.

BTW why don't you tell the folks here how a .45 auto is never used in actual combat and I'll tell the story of a guy I knew well that was a forward artillery spotter in Korea that dropped in by parachute to call in artillery strikes and he carried 2 45's with him and nothing else except his radio. Being the genius that you are for knowing things you can't possibly know you will instantly realize that yes a .45 can most certainly be used in combat. The guy dropped in with a Colt in each hand to carve out just enough space to call in the big guns for everything else. So I guess, since we're dragging other threads into this one, I'll just go ahead and prove how wrong you were in that assumption. I'm guessing it wouldn't be hard to do this a lot. You on the other hand don't have a clue why someone might leave out information that might lead to a very bad situation. You don't even have a clue what a horrible thing it would be to point these things out. You could ruin a person's life by shooting off your mouth in some forum that doesn't amount to anything but hey, you get to score "I am so smrt" (i.e. Homer Simpson) brownie points. Think about it. You might get a clue. And if you do, keep it to yourself.
 
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If I told you everything I know they could be at my house within an hour. I'm NOT going to do that. So just relax with your smart a__ attitude and go ahead and think you know things you don't. For all I know you're one of that gang of drug dealers that lives close to my house and has harassed me for years. You really don't get it and you won't get me to say it so go flame someone else.

LOL!!!!!! "He's talking on the Internet again!!!!! Get im!!!!" Do you really think the criminals in your area are monitoring THR and would come to your house? If so you shouldn't be moving, you should be in the witness protection program, and not be writing the Cee Zee manifesto on a thread about gun cabinets. This thread has truly amazed me.

I thought you said you were done with this conversation anyway?

So all incoherent ranting aside I would suggest that if things are as truly bad in your area as you say, or former area since you're moving, that being a "one man neighborhood watch" has not worked out too well for the neighborhood. You said a bunch of people have been killed…… so successful? Not so much.

You say your security method works for you, but you are dealing with a sample size of one, so while it is evidence, it is not compelling evidence.

How in the world did the navy come up in this thread?:uhoh:

OP, call the navy and see what they recommend for gun security and display. ;)
 
It has become the 10th highest crime rate area of the entire nation.
Interesting. After googling 'hillbilly heroin Scioto County Ohio'....What I read is:
"Scioto County, Ohio, is on the DEA list of top 10 places for prescription pill trafficking."

That is not even remotely close to: "It has become the 10th highest crime rate area of the entire nation."

Scioto County is not even among the top ten highest crime rate areas of Ohio.


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So a cheap carbine with a defective magazine design is better than a Safe, RSC, or good old wood gun cabinet so long as you let loose of a few rounds at the right time of year.
The navy does it so it must be right, of course the navy is on duty 24/7/365 and has a little more fearful arsenal than one man with an SKS.
I have lived in the country much of my life and can't really afford a full blown cast in place concrete vault but I'll take those RSC's any day over me sitting on the porch with my SKS as a talisman warding off evil.
It's worth noting that rural residents are easier or at least more noticed in their comings and goings so it wouldn't really be that hard to pattern ones behavior to hit the residence when no one was home.
 
I'll have a go at dragging this back on track:

Do you think no one knows the navy uses weapons? Do you think the whole world is stupid except for you? You may want to see a doctor about that. One of those doctors that uses a couch that is. And I can guarantee that studying history in a classroom (among other places) will give you a far greater knowledge of the role that navies play in the world. It's silly to think otherwise. You have a very limited perspective if it's all based on your experience. So what, all that stuff they taught me was lies? Being a non-comm gives you very little exposure to overall role of a navy. Believe it or not I have known people that served in the navy. My uncle was in a battle before he realized he was even in dangerous waters. They don't exactly discuss strategy with non-comms. My brother in law didn't know what part of the world he was in half the time. He scraped paint for a living. Yeah he would surely know what size guns the Missouri had or what ship is called "Old Ironsides" and why. He would know that ship is still sailing 215 years after it was commissioned by George Washington. Yeah serving on a ship gives you a complete command of what the navy is all about. Just like me shooting squirrels makes me master of the gun world.

The old "Ironside Series" safes would be an excellent choice over wood in terms of security. They are also very huge capacity, with the ability to store up to 120 long guns in the I-95 safe while providing fire protection up to 1500 degrees F for 90 minutes. Also, the I-95 is the only gun safe manufactured capable of housing a 2/3 scale replica of a 24 pounder off of the original "Old Ironsides", provided the barrel is stored vertically.

http://superiorgunsafes.com/products/theironsideseries.html



Gee I wonder if I can move my house with me. The area has become ground zero for the prescription pain killer abuse epidemic. It wasn't like that when I built my house 25 years ago. Now there have been two network documentaries about the "Hillbilly Heroin" epidemic centered exactly where I live. It has become the 10th highest crime rate area of the entire nation. ~ 3 drug dealers were shot with shotguns about 2 miles from my house all in front of a 5 year old boy. A woman who went to my Sunday school class was convicted of that crime. A dead body was found about a mile from my house after it had been there almost a year. I picked up a guy who had been carjacked and had a baseball size knot on his head which is just conincidental to the fact he was hit with a baseball bat. Not more than a quarter mile away from that a man was killed. And that doesn't include the intimidation I've suffered from the local drug dealers. And keep in mind there are that many people living in my area yet all this has happened in recent years.

Though it is possible to move your house nearly anywhere you wish, it would be far more economical and practical to simply buy a decent sized gun safe, sufficient to meet all your needs.

The Ironsides Series I-95 safe, for example, offers extreme flexibility. In addition to the storage of extreme numbers of firearms, it would also more than adequately store huge quantities of prescription pain killers and baseball bats, effectively making it very difficult for Hillbillies to gain access to such items.

Additionally, the wide open layout of these safes makes them convenient for storing large quantities properly preserved/cured deer meat. They can even be used as a "safe room" in the event of a home intrusion, though air supply would be an important problem. Luckily, there is also plenty of room for one or more large oxygen tanks. Add a phone line, and you can call for help while waiting out an attack.


Yes my neighbors asked me to watch out for them because I was the only decent man left in the area. And I had the power to do it. Your smug suggestions show what a total uncaring human you are. You don't know my situation. I guess I should just surrender to the evil scum in my neighborhood. The people cooking meth the next house up the hill or the gang of drug dealers above them should just be ignored even when they threaten me because they are scared I might rat them out. I don't know why they worry because they have the law enforcement bought off. Yeah you know my situation better than I do. You go ahead and make that assumption. Maybe I should just sell out and let some unsuspecting people find out what they got into. Some of us don't like doing things that way. You arrogant... I guess all the dead deer dropped off in front of my house were nothing. They just stunk for a week before I could get the county to haul them off. I guess all the times my mailbox was knocked down was nothing. You stupid... You have no idea what I deal with. And by God I know I would be worse off if they thought I was unarmed. Everyone else in the neighborhood moved out and abandoned their houses. I'm not going to do that. The meth cooks sold their house to an unsuspecting young couple who ignored my warning about what they were getting into. Yeah it was big funny that they asked me to help. People like you...


I would also highly recommend safes to your neighbors, what with the evident lack of effective armed security means (LEO or otherwise) as evidenced by numbers of neighboring homes that have been broken into and the gangs of drug dealers and meth houses in the immediate area. These would go a long way in protecting their valuables.


Look hot shot, there are lots of things that aren't going to be mentioned in this thread. You have no idea what you're talking about. I still own that house and my daughter lived there until recently. I don't need to be dragging her or the rest of this story into this stupid thread. You just go on assuming you know everything and I'll continue to know that you don't. My daughter is safe, my house is safe and I want to keep it that way. That's all I'm saying. The last thing I need is for some drug dealing jerk to figure things out so there's no way I'm telling the story here. Got it? If I told you everything I know they could be at my house within an hour. I'm NOT going to do that. So just relax with your smart a__ attitude and go ahead and think you know things you don't. For all I know you're one of that gang of drug dealers that lives close to my house and has harassed me for years. You really don't get it and you won't get me to say it so go flame someone else.


With all the mixing up of present tense with past tense, it's getting mighty difficult to figure out who's living where.

However, one of the advantages of buying a safe is that if your daughter has any valuables she would like to have protected, then purchasing her a decent sized gun safe would surely provide a modicum of security when she's not home AND they have the added benefit of being able to be moved to wherever she may currently choose to live.

This way, even if any of your drug dealing jerks in the neighborhood DOES figure out this story nobody has asked you to bring up, at least her valuable property would be somewhat protected.


BTW why don't you tell the folks here how a .45 auto is never used in actual combat and I'll tell the story of a guy I knew well that was a forward artillery spotter in Korea that dropped in by parachute to call in artillery strikes and he carried 2 45's with him and nothing else except his radio. Being the genius that you are for knowing things you can't possibly know you will instantly realize that yes a .45 can most certainly be used in combat. The guy dropped in with a Colt in each hand to carve out just enough space to call in the big guns for everything else. So I guess, since we're dragging other threads into this one, I'll just go ahead and prove how wrong you were in that assumption. I'm guessing it wouldn't be hard to do this a lot. You on the other hand don't have a clue why someone might leave out information that might lead to a very bad situation. You don't even have a clue what a horrible thing it would be to point these things out. You could ruin a person's life by shooting off your mouth in some forum that doesn't amount to anything but hey, you get to score "I am so smrt" (i.e. Homer Simpson) brownie points. Think about it. You might get a clue. And if you do, keep it to yourself.

I'm not sure exactly how we got off onto the .45 auto never having been used in actual combat, but it's a safe bet that if the guy you're talking about was parachuting down in an Ironside Series I-95 safe, it's a pretty "safe" bet that he would not have suffered any injuries from being shot at by a .45 pistol. The same could not be said if he had parachuted down in a wooden gun cabinet.

This would be another demonstration of the superiority of a steel gun safe over a wooden firearms cabinet.
 
Do you really think the criminals in your area are monitoring THR and would come to your house?

And the fact that exactly that sort of thing has happened to me from info picked up on the net doesn't mean anything, right? I love it when people think the net actually is anonymous. I had a guy from a satellite forum try to come to my house genius. He had a general idea where I lived and he tried very hard to get the rest of the information. I know that for a fact. He openly threatened me many times because I didn't agree with his conclusions about a satellite dish. Yeah it doesn't happen. In your little mind anyway. I can't imagine being as clueless as you are here. If you really think no one can figure out where you live from clues then you are truly clueless. I've shown more than one person just how easy it is to track someone down that you talk to on the net. One guy swore I would never find his info and 10 minutes later I posted his entire life history including where he worked, where his wife worked and what his kids names were. I didn't actually post the info. I just showed him that I found it.

If you really think no one from anywhere local monitors this board I can introduce you to at least half a dozen that I know are from very close to where I live. I don't know them. I just know they live close. Well I do know some of them. But you go ahead and be the net genius. And hope no one ever takes your attitude personally because there are nuts in the world. If you don't know that you really are clueless. And don't claim I'm threatening you. I'm not. No way. I'm just trying to tell you something. It wouldn't take a lot more information to put 2 and 2 together and figure out some things here. Lucky for me I'm not clueless like you.

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That is not even remotely close to: "It has become the 10th highest crime rate area of the entire nation."

And where did I say that link included that information? That information came from a news article that wasn't on the net. I did find a link to some info showing some of the information about Scioto Co.. It is no longer online. But I did find this information about the highest crime rates for cities in Ohio. I don't live in a city but 2 of the top 4 are in Scioto Co. with the leading rate being in a place with only 179 residents which obviously could be skewed by one idiot on a crime spree. Portsmouth is the real crime leader in Ohio. That's in Scioto County. So is New Boston. Yeah I don't know what I'm talking about. Wait. That's you that doesn't know what they're talking about. Not only does Portsmouth have a painkiller problem they also have a meth problem and a crack problem. That means crime and lots of it. It's the worst town for crime in Ohio. Worse than Cleveland. Worse than Columbus, Cincinnati, Toledo, and all the other towns that are thought to have high crime rates. Portsmouth and Scioto Co. is far worse. And the crime rate in the county is higher. That list only includes cities. Between the Detroit drug gangs slinging crack and the national motorcycle gang headquarters in the county and the organized crime that is all local the area is one of the worst in the country despite your brilliant post.
 
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CB900F (nice bike, by the way) I can't give you details. The gentleman's been dead about 20 years. He was rich and only bought the best of what was out there. I learned of the theft after his death from my gather-in-law. The two were great friends and hunting pards. That's all I know about it. Sorry.
 
. And hope no one ever takes your attitude personally because there are nuts in the world.

Well that much is most certainly true. :rolleyes: ……wow ...… Cliff Clavin, but in a scary way.

Well this is like debating democracy with Kim Jon Ill so there is no point in continuing, especially since the topic originally asked about has been answered. I respectfully state, as I did on my original comment, to each their own. I'm glad you have a system that you think works. Keep it up then man, right up. I also respectfully disagree with your reasoning, methods, and tactics for any living situation, in any place. I personally don't think they reflect sound judgement, sound assumptions about what criminals are capable of when determined, and I never think brandishing a weapon as a means of security, or establishing a reputation as someone to be left alone are responsible ways to represent gun owners in this country. It portrays us in a poor light as it makes us sound like a belligerent lot. This is all my opinion and that is only worth something to me. So I respect that you have your own as well.

For the record, I do live in a rural setting, I have lived out in the middle of nowhere (In fact that is why I first bought a handgun, security and wild animals), and I spend more of my time alone in the woods for my job than I ever do around people. I still don't agree with nearly anything you've said, and I'm sure you don't agree with anything I've said as your logic is very very different than mine.

Stay safe, and good luck. I hope your new home is more secure and populated with fewer criminals.
 
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I had NRA stickers in the truck and house windows. One day I got the thought: "I'm just advertising for criminals to hit my house". Off came the stickers. As far as neighborhoods changing, I was a real estate appraiser and have seen the changes go from good to bad in a few years or not at all. It's luck of the draw and where the illegals decide to settle in, among other things.
If I had a neighbor like ceezee I would want to know he was one of the good guys, and not one of those storing up insults (imagined or not) who snap one day and start shooting the neighbors up. No ones got that figured yet, but I don't live where I can shoot off my patio either, darn it. I also think living in the sticks, it should be assumed everyone has a loaded gun by the door or near it. As mentioned elsewhere people will notice when you make a run to the store even living 1/4+ mile apart.
Finally, if you have a really mean big dog inside, you might take the chance of wood and glass. But I would only put a couple of rusty 22s and a Red Ryder in it.
Let ceezee do what works for him. If that's his comfort zone, so what?
 
A wood cabinet is enough for the gun safe because you don't need more safety of your guns when you have that in your home.But for more security you can use steel cabinet for the safety of gun.
 
Thanks everyone for the helpful comments.

After much consideration, I have decided to purchase the wooden display cabinet shown below. I believe it has the capacity required and will allow my guns to be visible while providing sufficient theft protection.
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Thanks everyone for the helpful comments.

After much consideration, I have decided to purchase the wooden display cabinet shown below. I believe it has the capacity required and will allow my guns to be visible while providing sufficient theft protection.
Old+Ironsides.jpg

Looks a bit pricy, and high maintenance at that! BUT I LIKE IT!!
 
Don't forget to sit on the deck and look scary, otherwise you just wasted your money. :evil:

This is my security system.
 

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