Gun shop idiot..or is it just me.

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...and as the OP hasn't been back to clarify his post, I'm assuming this was a simple "I want people on the internet to agree with me" piece.

My impression was the same as cedjunior's - if he specifically felt the need to point out the fact that the guy had facial piercings (I was unaware that this automatically makes someone dumb, dangerous or a punk) then it's reasonable to conclude that he wouldn't leave out the part where the guy points the XD at his face.

As far as the sales pitch goes - Chevy vs. Ford (vs. Dodge), Remington vs. Mossberg, XD vs. Glock. Personal opinions as to which are "best" will always differ and it's human nature for this bias to override objectivity in debate. While I don't like people who spout misinformation without verifying it through research first, I also don't have any sympathy for people who believe it without verifying it through research first. It's taken as a given that you don't buy a $25,000 Chevy because the sales guy tells you it can tow more than Ford without verifying it, and then complain that Ford actually can tow more - why should the situation be different for firearms?

CountGlockula said:
This quote itself calls for a BS gun shop worker. :fire:
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Why? Because his personal opinion is that XDs are better than Glocks? Can't imagine why that would offend you. Oh wait...

cedjunior said:
I always get a kick out of these kinds or responses. I get the mental image of someone blowing up a brown paper bag and popping it, causing a ccw carrier to dive behind the counter and draw their weapon.
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Yeah, me too. Seems to me like carrying a gun gives some folks a chip on their shoulders and they feel the need to be Tactical Ninjas, ever-ready to do an action roll and come up shooting whenever a car backfires in the parking lot. Strange how carrying my pocketknife around doesn't make me think I have to pretend I have cat-like reflexes and parry anyone who goes to give me a high-five just to prove that I can.
 
Another with TN on this one.

And...

Folks advocating immediate action drills including the use of their firearms in similar scenarios should consider toning it down a bit to avoid a classic "two wrongs not making a right" situation. (Assuming there was an initial wrong, which absent a Rule violation there might not have been.)
 
As far as the XD being "way better" than a block, thats just a matter of opinion. Both are foreign made, both are partially plastic, many now prefer the XD because of it's non intrusive grip safety and better grip angle. Both magazines are "real steel" as far as I know, Gaston Glock just decided he wanted a goofy looking plastic sheath over his magazines and he thought that some of them might have worked better if they were flexible.

Overall it just sounds like a rather enthusiastic salesman who might need to be a bit more discrete but thats really up to the business owner. If the guy acted unsafely and scared away the family then its his own fault and perhaps he should be spoken to. If he acted safely in drawing the weapon and the family got scared because of his scary black tool then more fool them. Assuming he had some idea of gun safety in his act, I'd just be happy to be in a shop with salespeople that practice what they preach. As far as the sales guy having facial piercings... Who cares?
 
My argument is simply that assuming the salesman wanted to make a sale on an XD, he should remove one from beneath the glass, open the chamber, confirm it is unloaded, lock the slide back, and hand it to the customer. Then, make his sales pitch.

The salesman's personal weapon needs to stay on his belt until he is ready to use it. It is not intended for demonstration purposes.

This ain't about whether XDs are better than Glocks, whether the carry gun was pointed at anything, whether the salesman had a bone in his nose and a leather kilt on his butt. Nor is it about hitting the floor and doing a quick Mozambique drill with a tactical ninja roll behind the holster rack. It's about safety at the gun counter. The act of a salesman showing off his or her carry gun to an unknown customer instead of the merchandise he has to sell is not salesmanship, it's narcissistic and dangerous.
 
The salesman's personal weapon needs to stay on his belt until he is ready to use it. It is not intended for demonstration purposes.
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For safety reasons, yes, I agree.

Then again, that might be something that'd give me confidence in buying another pistol. For instance, I own two Glock pistols, one bought new and the other used. When I got the used one I had a chance to tear it down and that gave me confidence in buying it: Looked just like new!

If I had any doubts that the NIB pistol would hold up over time and the clerk asked if I'd like to see his that has X,000 rounds through it I'd jump at the chance. I'd just like for them to make sure I'm OK with them drawing their piece at the clearing barrel, clearing it, and handing it to me.

It's just a gun. Dangerous, yes, but if handled properly it's more benign that the propane tanks outside the local gas station.
 
If anyone were to cover me with any gun I would immediately fall into action. They would be surprised and after I would explain my self preservation reason. It's happened and all present now know why. You will die from someone's uneducated mistake, I'm always on guard. I don't want to die!
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found myself fighting the urge to run-draw-shoot.
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Wow, you guys are just too high-speed, low drag to bother hanging around with us lesser mortals. You honor us with your presence! We are not worthy of such uber-tacticalness as what you exhibit.

(BTW- the Food Court is over that way...)

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729
 
Personly I think people that tend to get scared seeing a gun in a place that sells guns best stick to the Starbucks.
 
Pulling out his CCW, no matter how safe he handles it, is inappropriate at the sales counter. He should have been able to produce an unloaded gun for sale from the display.
 
Another agreement with Tactical Ninja

Tactical Ninja is right.

Besides, until gunnies decide to pay enough for guns that a store can afford to employ well paid seasoned gun people at the counter, you'll get guys like this behind the counter.
Would you work in a gun store for 9-10 bucks and hour? Not me.
The market has turned from valuing good gun shop employees to valuing cheap stuff. We, as a group, are getting what we ask for every time we swagger into a gun shop and beat up on their profit margin with the tired "I can get it cheaper on the internet." phrase. :banghead:

And, if you have a problem with people in gun shops expressing their opinions, you might as well stay home and grow into your couch, cause it ain't gonna stop.

If you see someone muzzle you with a loaded weapon, or starting to, there's a more gentlemanly way to conduct yourself than jumping behind a box of clay pigeons and drawing your weapon. :rolleyes:
 
I thought in most states that allow legal concealed carry that whipping the old shooting iron out without provocation is considered to be an act of "Brandishing" and the act is also considered a felony or stout midemeanor in those states that allow legal concealed carry.

Heck, in my state it is a felony to be packing a loaded firearm out in public unless one is on the home front or working for a a business that allows this practice period, so one carries very quietly and very discreetly.
Whipping out a gun without provocation is a pretty surefire way to end your term of employment.
 
"Wow, you guys are just too high-speed, low drag to bother hanging around with us lesser mortals. You honor us with your presence! We are not worthy of such uber-tacticalness as what you exhibit."

+1

Didn't you know a concealed carry license of any sort automatically makes you an honorary Delta operator??? :evil:
 
wheelgunslinger said:
Would you work in a gun store for 9-10 bucks and hour?
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Yes. :D

That's 9-10 bucks an hour to stand around fondling shinies - plus the employee discount to aid in obtaining said shinies.

Lord, I wouldn't even be drawing a paycheck. I'd just trade it straight across for guns and ammo.

Car? I don't need no stinkin' car... :neener:
 
Onmilo said:
Heck, in my state it is a felony to be packing a loaded firearm out in public unless one is on the home front or working for a a business that allows this practice period
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You probably just answered for yourself why the employee could have his weapon out.
 
"I thought in most states that allow legal concealed carry that whipping the old shooting iron out without provocation is considered to be an act of "Brandishing" and the act is also considered a felony or stout midemeanor in those states that allow legal concealed carry."

Brandishing is not when the sales staff produces a firearm as part of the sales process, no matter how debatable or valid that line of tac might be.

"Heck, in my state..."

Illinios is one of those states usually NOT advocated as examples of how to do things on forums like this. Sorry, but that's the truth. Regardless, the store employee appeared to be within the law even for Illinios.

"Whipping out a gun without provocation is a pretty surefire way to end your term of employment."

I've seen many a gun store sale staff refer to guns they had on them at that time, several produce them as described in this thread, and two unload them prior to handing them over the counter for inspection. None gave me pause for concern as the Rules were observed at all times. Nobody was terminated that I am aware of. Nobody dove for cover, judo chopped them etc and certainly nobody shot anyone.
 
FWIW, I'd rather have 1 XD than 10 Glocks, cause I just can't stand the latter. But any time someone starts saying "Way" something or other, I refuse to listen.
 
Yeah, I've got my CCW too. Funny how when I'm at the range I somehow manage to overcome my natural catlike reflexes to duck and draw every time a gun comes out of the holster somewhere. Heck, my skillz are so tuned to Operator levels that when someone around me even thinks about guns I can go from Condition Yellow to Orange in a heartbeat. In a Heartbeat, people. Think about that!
There's too many innocent sheep out there in the world for anyone who, like me, has had nearly ten full hours of intensive classroom training, to allow to wander aimlessly without protection. Where would the world be without CCW holders?
Afraid to walk down the street to Taco Bell without fear of attacks from illegal immigrant Democrat terrorist street gang thugs, that's where!
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to chamber-check my Glocks and start another round of patrolling against the everpresent menaces to society. Got to start slicing the pie, as the SpecOps guys call it.
Any 24-hour burrito shops nearby enjoy my special protection. Can't be too careful.
 
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