Gun Storage

Napalm · Dec 21, 2012

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Ive got a great idea for gun control legistation:

Require all owners to also own a safe or lockable container. If it is not locked up during non-use or when you arent home and it get stolen, you are now charged with a crime. You can still sleep with the revolver under your pillow if you want to, just in the morning you have to lock it up...

Forcing people to be safeer would be a great place to start.

Yo Mama · Dec 21, 2012

Ive got a great idea for gun control legistation:

Require all owners to also own a safe or lockable container. If it is not locked up during non-use or when you arent home and it get stolen, you are now charged with a crime. You can still sleep with the revolver under your pillow if you want to, just in the morning you have to lock it up...

Forcing people to be safeer would be a great place to start.

Locks are only for the honest. Sad but most safes are easy to get into.

Napalm · Dec 21, 2012

Yo Mama said:
Locks are only for the honest. Sad but most safes are easy to get into.

They are, but so is my crappy commuter car. I still lock it. Keeps honest people honest

Yo Mama · Dec 21, 2012

They are, but so is my crappy commuter car. I still lock it. Keeps honest people honest

So why make it a law to lock up your commuter car? Yes it's good practice, but making it a law?

RmB · Dec 21, 2012

Napalm said:
Ive got a great idea for gun control legistation:

Require all owners to also own a safe or lockable container. If it is not locked up during non-use or when you arent home and it get stolen, you are now charged with a crime. You can still sleep with the revolver under your pillow if you want to, just in the morning you have to lock it up...

Forcing people to be safeer would be a great place to start.

What if the person only owns a single handgun for carry and home defense?

Should we be forced to get up at 2 am when the glass breaks and unlock a safe or container?

ETXhiker · Dec 21, 2012

So, you slam the NRA for pointing out that there are other factors besides the existence of guns for violence. Your solution is to "force" law abiding citizens to lock up their guns when they are not at home or go to jail?

Wow. Great having people like you on our side.

Napalm · Dec 21, 2012

Yo Mama said:
So why make it a law to lock up your commuter car? Yes it's good practice, but making it a law?

Are you really comparing my M&P15 to my 1995 civic?

Ill take the bait. I think locking up my guns in my safe is my responsibility as a gun owner. Same way that it is my responsibility to keep my car from benig stolen and stripped for parts.

Forcing some of the idiots out there to secure their firearms could go a long way. I'm not saying it would stop a determined theif, but it could keep 90lb weakling cowards like Adam lanza seperated from guns

Napalm · Dec 21, 2012

RmB said:
What if the person only owns a single handgun for carry and home defense?

Should we be forced to get up at 2 am when the glass breaks and unlock a safe or container?

read again. Im saying while you are home or around the weapons they should not have to be locked up.

If you are not near them, yea they should. Its common sense

MikeNice · Dec 21, 2012

Napalm, many states already have safe storage laws.

Napalm · Dec 21, 2012

I understand that. CT does not, NY does not , NJ does not.

Needs to be a national law

Dont mean to be coming off short tempered...I just see some idiots at the shops near me and it boggles the mind.

jcwit · Dec 21, 2012

Ive got a great idea for gun control legistation:

Require all owners to also own a safe or lockable container. If it is not locked up during non-use or when you arent home and it get stolen, you are now charged with a crime. You can still sleep with the revolver under your pillow if you want to, just in the morning you have to lock it up...

Forcing people to be safeer would be a great place to start.

Have you any idea how many safes I would have to buy?

Oh! I forgot, thats not your problem!

MikeNice · Dec 21, 2012

Napalm, those "idiots" aren't going to follow a national law about safes. The chance of ever being inspected is zero unless your gun is used in a crime. Nobody believes their gun will be the next gun stolen. So, compliance would be hit or miss at best.

You would be giving the federal government one more inch in to the gun control debate. Plus a tool for further encroachments on the fourth amendment.

22-rimfire · Dec 21, 2012

Require all owners to also own a safe or lockable container. If it is not locked up during non-use or when you arent home and it get stolen, you are now charged with a crime. You can still sleep with the revolver under your pillow if you want to, just in the morning you have to lock it up...

And how exactly would this have stopped the crime in CT? The young man would likely have the key/combination. I personally feel that the Lanza Mother should have had her firearms locked up. But requiring by law to do so? That is where I raise the red flag.

Ill take the bait. I think locking up my guns in my safe is my responsibility as a gun owner. Same way that it is my responsibility to keep my car from benig stolen and stripped for parts.

Forcing some of the idiots out there to secure their firearms could go a long way. I'm not saying it would stop a determined theif, but it could keep 90lb weakling cowards like Adam lanza seperated from guns

Feel free to lock up your firearms if you own any. And if you chose to lock up your firearms (if you own any), do you think you should go to jail because someone breaks into your "locked" storage place? Afterall, a gun is a tool and it takes someone to use it for evil purposes.

I doubt you could keep your car from being stipped of parts even if you tried unless extra ordinary measures were taken.

Yo Mama · Dec 21, 2012

Let's not be so quick to call those that disagree with us trolls. It doesn't really help.

Are you really comparing my M&P15 to my 1995 civic?

Yes, and your 1995 civic can kill just as many people.

Napalm · Dec 21, 2012

jcwit said:
Have you any idea how many safes I would have to buy?

Oh! I forgot, thats not your problem!

Your right its not.

Napalm · Dec 21, 2012

22-rimfire said:
And how exactly would this have stopped the crime in CT? The young man would likely have the key/combination. I personally feel that the Lanza Mother should have had her firearms locked up. But requiring by law to do so? That is where I raise the red flag.

Feel free to lock up your firearms if you own any. And if you chose to lock up your firearms (if you own any), do you think you should go to jail because someone breaks into your "locked" storage place? Afterall, a gun is a tool and it takes someone to use it for evil purposes.

I doubt you could keep your car from being stipped of parts even if you tried unless extra ordinary measures were taken.

I cant beleive that people are actully arguing that NOT locking up your guns is a good idea.

Loking them up and keeping them secure is one of your first responsiblities as a gun owner. Its non-negotiable

jcwit · Dec 21, 2012

Your right its not.

Say what? My state does not require safes.

jcwit · Dec 21, 2012

Loking them up and keeping them secure is one of your first responsiblities as a gun owner. Its non-negotiable

Your opinion, and nothing more!

Yo Mama · Dec 21, 2012

I cant beleive that epole are actully arguing that NOT locking up your guns is a good idea.

No one is saying this. We are saying to mandate by law is an entirely different issue. It also would not have stopped the shooting.

Napalm · Dec 21, 2012

jcwit said:
Your opinion, and nothing more!

So true, so true

But if I had a choice of being forced to secure my firearms as a stop gap or having another AWB...I would take the safe

Not locking up your guns is asking for problems

22-rimfire · Dec 21, 2012

Loking them up and keeping them secure is one of your first responsiblities as a gun owner. Its non-negotiable

That is absurd. My first responsibility as a gun owner is to practice sound gun safety. A gun is a tool or a thing, same as your video games or computer. It takes someone to use the tool. A safe is a good idea, but "requiring" is where I draw the line.

JohnM · Dec 21, 2012

Napalm

Just amazing, all you have to express after after a presentation by our strongest supporter is rage because violent video games were mentioned!?!
And now your solution to the whole problem is to keep your guns in a safe?

Napalm · Dec 21, 2012

JohnM said:
Just amazing, all you have to express after after a presentation by our strongest supporter is rage because violent video games were mentioned!?!
And now your solution to the whole problem is to keep your guns in a safe?

Read the thread. I didnt say it was the solution, just somewhere to start on legistation that wont erode our rights. Just force the idiots to be safer

22-rimfire · Dec 21, 2012

If it is not the solution, why would you want a law requiring a gun owner to store their firearms in a safe? How about knives? How about picks and shovels? How about your car?

Tim the student · Dec 21, 2012

Require all owners to also own a safe or lockable container. If it is not locked up during non-use or when you arent home and it get stolen, you are now charged with a crime. You can still sleep with the revolver under your pillow if you want to, just in the morning you have to lock it up...

Oh, you mean like the closed door of my house or car?

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