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Gunfire erupted this morning from the Federal Court Building in Downtown Las Vegas.


Strategy and Tactic wise, if having been walking by, would it be wise to -


Vacate area immediately, to a distance or location out of range of small Arms fire?


Remove to across the Street for a better view?


Continue to walk on by as if it was no big deal?


News article here -


http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/Two-FBI-agents-shot-in-downtown-Las-Vegas-80624367.html


Video, here -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7HiFbJyrzk



I admire the casual attitude of the guy making the Cell-Phone video....but, of course, a stray projectile could be a danger to passers by.
 
Well... since the police were ALREADY there shooting back at the guy... Running over to "help" would only get you shot at from both sides. Get behind some cover and stay there.
 
...I mighta hung close and offered them more ammo or a long gun...some cops don't carry enough ammo to get them home at night....
 
I'd feel at risk and even silly if I'd offer ammo or a long gun. Quickest way to get yourself shot at or arrested. CCw is only for imediate defense of yourself and loved ones at a moments notice. NOt to turn commando cop.They have backup.
 
Personally, I would not get involved in trying to offer LEO any extra Arms or Ammunition in any on-going situation where there could be ambiguity or confusion about who I am or what I am doing or why I am approaching.


Though, being a person of natural, innocent curiosity, had I been walking by, I may have sought modest cover which allowed a view, at a fair distance, to watch/observe the drama.


This was only a few blocks from me, but I was working and did not hear anything.
 
If you run,you just die tired.
Get behind something!!
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Interesting thought. Do you hide behind something if it keeps you in the midst of all the action and hope that the battle doesn't shift and expose your position (which can happen surprisingly fast)?

If you are going to hide behind something and you aren't already behind it when the shooting starts, do you walk calmly so that if you die, you don't die tired?

Making use of cover is very good, but so to is not being where the threat is and so egression from the area is also very good and running may be the most efficient way to make that happen.
 
Warhawk83 said:
If you run,you just die tired.
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I agree. I'm on the fat side & don't run. If a very big man was after me & all I could do is run or take a whippen. I would turn around & look to see how big he was & decide which would be worse a whipping or running. If someone was shooting & not at me then I'm sure I would be walking.
 
Sorry pezo...

...I have experiences both in uniform and out to back up my choice of action...been there and done that....not just speaking from opinion, but facts...your choices are obviously yours....you don't qualify to judge mine...
 
If you have a 'view' then a bullet has a straight line into your eye.

Hide, flee, beam up.
 
When one or more uniformed officers (fed security, police, whatever) are on the scene, you, as a CCW entity, have less utility than you think.

If you are not presenting your weapon, you are the same as every other person milling around. That doesn't help or hinder.

If you have a weapon presented, the police or security forces have to deal with you. Are you an undercover cop? An attacker? A legitimately armed citizen? Now you have one or more "good guys" trying to figure you out. That takes time, and that is repeated for each "good guy" who notices you. That is time out of their OODA loop that could be better applied to neutralizing the threats.

My opinion is you get as far to the rear as you can. Maybe, if you are alone and willing to roll the dice, you stay close enough to monitor the situation.

When the uniformed or otherwise distinguished "cavalry" has yet to arrive, the CCW citizen has more choices. My personal preference is to do all I need to to withdraw from fluid situations. Sometimes that means shooting, but it usually means sneakily running.

As explained above, cover is good.
 
My thought is to get cover and evaluate a route of retreat. No point in running until you have a place to run to. I'm not giving up cover for concealment until I know I can make a break. And just running can leave you in the open, not for me.
 
Hide first, then flee.

For goodness sakes, don't try to help. If the LEOs don't have enough firepower to deal with a threat INSIDE the courthouse, my 5 rounds of .38 Special aren't likely to turn the tide.
 
I think you should have pulled your piece and run towards the cops yelling "Hey, I'm armed and I'm trained!"


(I wonder about some folks on here. :rolleyes: )
 
Running away using as much cover and concealment as possible will likely keep you alive longer. Staying anywhere around firepower from two sides is a good recipe for bullet holes in inconvenient places.
 
If my local courthouse was under armed assault, I'd do what I could to help. But realistically by the time I'd hear of something it will probably already be over.
 
Well, some people can put on their Batman cape and get in the way...

Me? Im booking it outta there as fast as I can. I dont mind seeing it on the news. It beats seeing it from the morgue.
 
...Amazing how those who choose not to get involved manage to make a snide comment toward those who would be willing to help...but they expect respect for their decision to skedaddle...it's almost like somethin's botherin' them a little bit....maybe...way down...
...facts and history prove that more citizens that get involved do some good and stop some trouble than that get shot by police or locked up or other bad things...if you care to do the research...
...if you don't want to be a part of the solution or help law enforcement or another citizen...that's fine...and you obviously won't be in the way 'cause you're leavin'...so why not keep your sarcastic comments to yourself...notice noone's mocked you because you choose to scram....
 
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