"Gung Ho" Brit Police-Unfit

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Cosmoline
If I had my way, everyone but the detectives would ditch the sidearms and just carry a long gun. If people are scared of AR's, give them leverguns or mini-14's.

I agree with you Cosmoline. the only trouble is that patrolofficers are constantly using their hands for everything but holding a gun. Your average cop is going to use his/her's ballpoint pen and notepad far more often then the firearm. Even with a proper "Tactical" sling it would still get in the way. Cops get in and out of their cars multiple times during a patrol shift and are always going into and out of buildings and coming into very close proximity with people, and of course a long-gun would give them a very tempting thing to grab onto. There are many reasons why cops do carry handguns. It isn't the best choice for a firearm, but logistics sort of dictate that's what they keep close at hand.
 
Standing Wolf,

When did the US save the UK from tyrany?

If you want to go back to WW1, a German invasion of the UK was never on the cards at all as far as I am aware???

If you are refering to WW2, you had better double check your history...The RAF staved off a possible German invasion during the Battle of Britian and this was fought and won before America had even entered the war.

The RAF defeated the Germans using British designed and built aircraft rather than anything America supplied.

We do owe a huge dept to the pilots of other nations such as the Canadians, Poles and Free French who volunteered to fly with the RAF and on an individual basis, that included a handful of Americans too.

After failing to gain air superiority, the Germans were never in a realistic position to mount the invasion especially after they invaded Russia.

America can take and deserves credit for many things, including helping liberate Europe, but in 1940, the UK effectively stood alone against Germany. In fact the last time we were successfuly invaded was by the Normans in 1066 which is nearly a thousand years ago, so I think were are doing ok at looking after ourselves...

This is in no way an anti American rant, as I am actually quite pro American. Rather its just a small correction of a "myth" many Americans seem to believe. There is of course no way we could have liberated Europe on our own , and that liberation was only down to the sacrifice made by other countries principly America and Russia, (but not forgetting other Commonwealth nations such as Canada), that but that is a little different to the original jist of your comments..


With regards the original post about British armed police, you can't really compare the ethos of the armed Police in the UK to the US because in this area our two natons have such a different outlook, culture, and history...

I do however agree entirely with the sentiments of the soldiers doing the training and I say that having seen a few "armed response units" of a couple of different British Police Forces training. My long held belief is that I would honestly not trust most of them with a pointy stick much less a firearm.

With regards the incident in London on the tube, it has transpired that an undercover soldier actually had a bear hug on the suspect as the met Police officers entered the train..One or more of these officers "wrestled" the soldier off the suspect, who was then shot a number of times...This has come from statements made by the soldier to the Police Complaints Authority which were subsiquently leaked to the Press.

Personally, I would like to see the Officers concerned charged with murder and brought before the Courts ...this is generally what happened if a soldier shot and killed someone in similar circumstances whilst on operations in Northern Ireland...I believe that whether you are a police officer or a soldier, when you take a life of an unarmed civilian, you must always be prepared to take responsibility for that and that you must be held to account. You should never be above the law you are trying to uphold....

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Pete
 
benEzra put it very pithily above. A society without normal civil firearms ownership and use is the source of the problem. The tools become symbolic whereas they should be mundane.

Especially with this rumored policy of the British police that any previous familiarity with firearms precludes selection to these "marksman" units, it's no wonder that once the selected elite are presented these symbols of power and they actually get to touch them... :scrutiny: :p all kinds of childish reactions ensue. They should be given more time for it to wear off, I guess.
 
from the memoirs of a local detective inspector:-

" We crashed through the door around 6 a.m.. we were looking for a shotgun, as I recall. At first chummy taunted us, then offered a cup of tea (without saying what he might have put in it) and generally took the piss. Things changed when he saw the Ruger.
He cut the crap then, said he was sorry and there wasn’t any shotgun (there wasn’t). So, the gun actually gave you power. The desire to use it seemed a logical reaction. Just give me an excuse, that’s how you feel. I have long since held the view that this same psychology motivates people who carry guns to use them, like those who killed at random at Hungerford and Dunblane. I accept that 99.9% members of gun clubs are law-abiding people, but I was pleased when they passed the law closing them down: just that one remaining 0.1% is too many. Only by denying access to guns can we hope to prevent such tragedies. Some argue that most criminals – armed robbers, gangsters – can always get access to firearms, but how many of them go around shooting kids? "
 
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I keep going back to it. I carried a firearm as a reserve police officer for 15 years in a high crime area. I always knew that I had it, and am very competent with firearms, being a competition shooter. However, I can truly say that carrying the firearm was only a source of high interest for a short period. Carrying a gun openly does make you notice it at first if only because you keep hitting it with your arm. I imagine that folks that don't carry them often stay on "gun alert" more when they do. That is supposed to be a high alert time for them. I imagine the "rookie gun carrier" syndrome takes a lot longer to get over when you carry less. It is always better to have someone entrusted with firearms to be able to think clearly about the situation rather than thinking "I have a gun in my hands."
 
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