Replica Guns Seized in UK ...Neighbors turned him in!

[MikePGS]

 

[littlegator]

George Orwell is rolling in his grave

 

[Jim K]

The fact is that in spite of all the prattle about "democracy" and "freedom", the UK has been a police state for many years. The police make up laws they want, ignore those they don't , do whatever they want to do, and have almost no real restraint. Further, they have played the image of the "friendly bobby" to the hilt so that neither most Britons nor most tourists realize that modern English police are a lot closer to the Gestapo than to any idea of "bobbies on bicycles." Their armed police are a joke, a bunch of untrained, trigger happy goons, running around pointing guns at people for the fun of it and likely as not shooting innocent people when they do open fire. Their regular cops are so racist and sadistic they make the "bathroom plunger" boys in NYC look like the ACLU.

Their electronic surveillance is pervasive. A London police official bragged that "there is nowhere anyone can go in the UK that is out of range of a CCTV camera." While I doubt that, it is certainly the goal, and, note, Mayor Bloomberg wants funding for thousands more cameras in NYC and tens of thousands of police to monitor them 24/7.

And when the cops somehow do blunder into actually solving a crime, the crooks get off with light sentences and go right back to work. If the cops find stolen property, the chances of the rightful owner getting it back are nil. If it has any value, the cops steal it; if it doesn't, they trash it. Many times, police officers have been caught committing crimes, burglary being a favorite. No arrests, no trials, just back to work keeping the public safe.

The only place British police have a good reputation is in mystery stories. I think they pay half the old women in the UK to write novels showing how the noble cops fight crime.

Jim

 

[Fosbery]

So are air guns legal or illegal in Britain

No.

There has just recently been passed a law which bans the sale, import and manufacture of 'realistic imitation firearms'. It is not illegal to own them but it is illegal to make, import or sell them. There are exemptions for airsofters, the performing arts, reenacters etc. This does not include airguns as they are technically firearms, not imitation firearms. It's possible that he had ordinary fake guns, like airsoft, and that he gave them up either to avoid going to court to prove he owned them before the ban or simply because he's a prat.

Entirely seperate to that is the issue of deactivated weapons. Real guns that have been put beyond use must meet certain standards to recieve a certificate of deactivation in order for them to be sold like ordinary objects instead of as firearms. It is possible that he had some deactivated guns that had not been properly deactivated and were therfore illegal.

Then there are blank firers. Blank firers which propel their gases out the front of the gun are illegal to own supposedly because of the ease with which they can be converted to real guns. This to me sounds the most likely possibility for what he had confiscated. Blank firers which eject their gases from the side are legal to own, but if they look real, not to sell, import or make.

[Generic anti-gun-control rant here.]

 

[RobTzu]

George Orwell is rolling in his grave

George was a strange fellow. He was a socialist. His books were a rant against the pervesions against the revolution.

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it," he wrote in 1946.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

 

[bannockburn]

That's exactly what I was thinking; it sounds almost like the instuctions given to the Hitler Youth. Spy on anyone and everyone, especially family members, and report to the "authorities" anything that might be suspicious or a threat to the State. Didn't they fight a war to prevent this kind of thing from happening to their country.

 

[6_gunner]

George was a strange fellow. He was a socialist. His books were a rant against the pervesions against the revolution.

It's true that Orwell started out as a socialist, but he did a 180 after he realized how terrible the Soviet system was. That's why Animal Farm and 1984 were both very anti-communist.
He may have continued to support socialism in some other form (I don't have any reason to think this, but I don't know that he didn't), but he was definitely anti-Soviet/ anti-Bolshevik.

Back to the topic, how can a replica gun be modified to fire real ammunition? Even if it worked, wouldn't it be extremely dangerous to the firer and probably destroy the weapon after just a few rounds? Are they perhaps referring to blank-firing guns?

 

[Crunker1337]

If he posed no threat to society, how come his property was seized?

 

[denfoote]

Proud Britania has ceased to be a free country.

Rule Britania
When Bri-tain fi-hi-hi-hi-hirst at Heavn's command
Aro-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-hose from out the a-ha-ha-hazure main,
Arose, arose, aRO-ho-hose from out the a-hazure main,
This was the charter, the CHARter of the land,
And GUAR-dian a-hai-hai-hai-haingles sang this strain :

Rule, Brittania ! Britannia, rule the waves !
Britons never never never shall be slaves !

This song ceases to have meaning any more!!

If we have to, and it looks like we just might, if the current trend of Muzzization continues, how many nuke torps do you think it would take to sink that island???

 

[G36-UK]

There has just recently been passed a law which bans the sale, import and manufacture of 'realistic imitation firearms'. It is not illegal to own them but it is illegal to make, import or sell them. There are exemptions for airsofters, the performing arts, reenacters etc.

For some reason though, re-enactors and theatrical performances got an "exemption", and airsoft got a "specific defence".

Dunno what the difference is, except that the GCN (probably the most popular hate group in this country) whined about Airsofters getting their defence, calling it a "dangerous loophole".

I recently read a novel, in which one small part of a paragraph seemed to sum up all of the gun laws passed after Dunblane:

"To permit irresponsible authority is to sow disaster; to hold a man responsible for anything he does not control is to behave with blind idiocy."

Almost all of the GCN members considered our gun owners responsible for Thomas Hamilton's rampage, something they had no control over, and demanded a ban on most handguns, without any good reason. The same can be said for this "Replica Imitation Firearm Ban".

 

[MrTwigg]

Lets not forget, THEY are the reason we are over HERE.

Tho... it's gettin hard to tell in some parts.

 

[Microlon]

"prevent any possible tragic consequences should they have made their way into the wrong hands"

Too late on both counts.

 

[tamaneko]

Do you have a link to where this report came from? Can't find it, and not that I don't believe it(I've seen it happen MANY times on airsoft boards, poor brits), but I'd like to post it on a British forum I know of and see what they have to say.

 

[geekWithA.45]

to prevent any possible tragic consequences should they have made their way into the wrong hands,

In other, perfectly equivalent words:

"Well, this man isn't really doing anything wrong, but our intrusive action is justified by the distant possibility of something bad happening as a third (or higher) order potential consequence."

What, pray tell, is NOT justified by the distant possibility of something bad happening as a third or higher order consequence of ANY action?

That, my friends, is what we call a total and complete freakin' cop out.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Back to the topic, how can a replica gun be modified to fire real ammunition? Even if it worked, wouldn't it be extremely dangerous to the firer and probably destroy the weapon after just a few rounds?

I have a non firing replica of a cap and ball revolver which is mechanically correct in most details.

I could make it function by drilling out the nipples for the percussion caps, but I'd be scared to actually load or ignite it, given the dubious quality of the cast metal parts.

And if I did find a kevlar gauntlet somewhere, I'd not expect much accuracy from the smooth bore barrel.

All on all, one would be better served making a blackpowder shotgun by drilling out some quality steel stock.

 

[GRB]

Insp Phelps said after the weapons had been handed over

Weapons? WHAT WEAPONS????

 

[telomerase]

"That's an offensive weapon that is". -End of Holy Grail

 

[Big Boomer]

so when their government starts executing their own population, do we sit back and laugh or invade?

 

[Gustav]

England today reminds me of 1984 and George Orwell.

 

[Fosbery]

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it," he wrote in 1946.

He wrote 1984 in 1948

 

[qajaq59]

Good Old Merry England. Where's Robin Hood when you need him?

 

[Nimble1]

Tamaneko...link to article.

http://www.thisishertfordshire.co.u...viewed.replica_guns_seized_from_collector.php

 

[40SW]

The elevated crime stats in the UK speak for themselves as Britain continues to layer draconian anti gun legislation. The great wonder is why they ignore said data. Its obviously decision making in the most illogical extreme routed in emotional and distorted knee jerk reactions. It is scary.

 

[JWarren]

Do you think that this is only a UK thing? There are PLENTY in the US that would LOVE to have such an environment here in the good ole' USA.

I personally think that such persons should be an export-only product of our country.


And on a side-note, the first John Warren in the USA (my name-sake) was wounded in the American Revolution. His grave is 2 miles from my home in our family cemetary. We still keep it up and keep fresh flowers on it. Thank God for the sacrifices of those such as he that bled to insure we were Citizens and never again Subjects.

And Damn those that seek to subjugate us again from within.



-- John

 

[Aussie bloke!]

God help the britts.

G'day everyone,....

All the image needs is a swastiker and some SS emblems to bring it up to date with reality!


Socialy engineering the public to inform on freinds and neibours is when you are living in tyrany.

The funny thing is the crown gave the people the right to defend themselfs and own firearms and the polititions take it away from everyone,......

Aussie.