Guns At The Airport

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In many US airports, guns are OK outside security

By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Writer
Wed Oct 15, 4:43 PM ET

ATLANTA - Flying in the U.S. has been transformed since Sept. 11, with passengers forced to remove their shoes, take out their laptop computers and put liquids and gels in clear plastic bags. Yet it's perfectly legal to take a loaded gun right up to the security checkpoint at some of the nation's biggest airports. ADVERTISEMENT



An Associated Press survey of the 20 busiest U.S. airports found that seven of them — Philadelphia, Detroit, Phoenix, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles and San Francisco — let people with gun permits carry firearms in the general public areas of the terminal.

Some anti-terrorism experts say that is a glaring security loophole that could endanger airport workers, passengers and people waiting to pick them up or see them off. Some suggest that allowing guns in terminals is practically asking for them to be smuggled aboard a plane.

"If your airport is not secure, then the security of your airplanes is jeopardized," said Rafi Ron, former security chief at Ben Gurion Airport in Israel who now works as an aviation consultant. "You cannot separate the two."

Other authorities say the nonsecure areas of the terminal are no different from other public venues and do not warrant special restrictions.

"It's really not more of a concern than at a mall or a train station," said Philadelphia police Lt. Louis Liberati.

Under federal law, it is illegal everywhere to try to carry a gun through a security checkpoint. The rest of the terminal, however, has long been the domain of state and local authorities.

Jon Allen, a spokesman for the federal Transportation Security Administration, said the TSA has not taken a position on guns in airports and has no authority under federal law to ban them.

The issue has led to clash in Georgia between a new state law that allows guns on public transportation and the Atlanta airport's ban on loaded weapons. Last month, a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit brought against the city by a gun rights group. At an earlier hearing, he warned that guns at the world's busiest airport could pose a "serious threat to public safety and welfare." The gun group has appealed.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, was surprised to learn that airports have been allowing weapons for years, and warned that Congress could move to ban the practice. In a July letter to TSA, Thompson called guns in terminals "a threat to the safety of airline travelers."

However, even at those airports that ban guns, officials are not frisking people or using metal detectors on them as they enter the terminal. Experts say an additional layer of security like that would be unworkable at America's bustling airports.

In 2002, an Egyptian immigrant killed two people and wounded several others near a ticket counter at the Los Angeles airport before he was shot to death by an El Al Israel Airlines security guard.

Some gun owners who take their weapons to the airport cite the need for protection. Others carry a gun frequently and say they do not want to be bothered finding a place to stash it if they go to the airport.

Joel Rosenberg, a firearms instructor in Minneapolis, said he regularly carries a gun to the city's airport and has not heard of any problems caused by the policy.

"People who are law-abiding are going to be law-abiding whether they have a .38 snubby on their hip or not," he said.

Some airports that allow the guns say they are trying to accommodate the culture of their patrons.

"We like our guns in Michigan," said Scott Wintner, a spokesman for Detroit Metro Airport.

Similarly, Brian Murnahan, spokesman for the Dallas-Fort Worth airport, said his airport's policy is driven by pragmatism: Texans often carry guns. "While we certainly don't encourage people to bring guns to the airport, we are trying to be reasonable," he said.

The state's other major airport has a strict no-guns ordinance.

"It's posted everywhere," said Marlene McClinton of Houston-George Bush Intercontinental Airport. "But this is Texas," she said, explaining that the airport has cited some visitors for violations. Unlawful carrying of a weapon is a misdemeanor in Texas, punishable by up to a year in jail and a $4,000 fine.

Gun rights supporters say law-abiding citizens with guns could fire back and cut short a gunman's rampage. But Ron, the Israeli security expert, said the last thing airport security agents need is a hail of bullets and no idea who the bad guy is.

"That leads to chaos," he said, "and that can lead to tragedy."
One question will end all of this insanity. Can you provide any evidence that the claims that are made in this article are true?
 
Oh, yeah, we should ban guns in the whole airport building, not just the secure areas...

... but, wait. We should also ban guns in the airport's parking lot. After all, someone in the parking lot could easily walk up to the door that leads to the building in which some areas are firearms-free.

... but maybe we should ban guns in the streets leading to the parking lot that ajoins the building in which the security checkpoints are. After all, someone carrying a firearm in the roadway running past the airport could easily turn into the parking lot.

You know, if we all just banned firearms outright, we'd be comepletely safe from those darned terrorists who used boxcutters on 9/11. Yeah, that's what we ought to to... that would make me feel safe, alright.
 
I had an last minute call to pick up a family member at the airport while I was at the range. Not too concerned about the two shotguns, AR, and bunch of ammo in the back of the SUV, since I did not plan to leave the car.

Well as I waited at the passenger pick up area, I did not have to continually circle, because it was a slow day, a security officer asked to inspect my trunk (back of the SUV, no trunk just area behind the rear seats). That was then that I wondered what was going to happen when she saw the gun cases, and two cases of 12 gauge ammo, and a couple of military ammo boxes, etc.. I was more worried about the long guns, than the .45 pistol in the door pocket up front.

Well nothing happened, she looked the stuff over, never touching anything, said "Ok", I closed the hatch and got back inside as she walked off.

I guess she was looking for something else, or it is a common site here in Texas. Whatever the reason, she had me sweating for a few minutes.
 
Some anti-terrorism experts say that is a glaring security loophole that could endanger airport workers, passengers and people waiting to pick them up or see them off. Some suggest that allowing guns in terminals is practically asking for them to be smuggled aboard a plane.

Pure emotional ignorance. First off, it's just the 'common' area before the security gate. Big deal. If someone wants to bring in a gun, they're gonna do it...prohibition or not.

Second there's no way to 'smuggle' a gun onto a plane that I'm aware of. So what the heck are they talking about?

I did not have to continually circle, because it was a slow day, a security officer asked to inspect my trunk

...and you allowed it?
 
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