Guns in no registration states

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In states where there is no gun registration and guns are sold every day legally without an FFL like on armslist, here and many other sites. I always wondered how many guns out there in those free states have bodies on them? It might be surpising...
 
“Have bodies on them”? Are you talking about guns used in murders or shootings?

News flash: gun registration (or lack thereof) has no bearing. First, ballistics aren’t recorded so it’s not like there is a “fingerprint” database for guns. Second, even when a gun is transferred with an FFL on a 4473, there is no check of the weapon - just the individual. So whether it's a private sale or FFL transfer - in a state with or without registration - there is nothing in the process that would. flag a gun used in a crime.
 
Bodies on them? As in, were used to kill people?

Given just how many guns there are in private hands, I would guess a vanishingly tiny percentage, like less than one in a thousand. MOST guns used in crime or suicide are ditched into rivers or other bodies of water which effectively destroys them over time, and those which are recovered, are held and eventually destroyed by law enforcement, so the supply of blood-tainted guns remains very small.
 
Navy87Guy said:
“Have bodies on them”? Are you talking about guns used in murders or shootings?

News flash: gun registration (or lack thereof) has no bearing. First, ballistics aren’t recorded so it’s not like there is a “fingerprint” database for guns. Second, even when a gun is transferred with an FFL on a 4473, there is no check of the weapon - just the individual. So whether it's a private sale or FFL transfer - in a state with or without registration - there is nothing in the process that would. flag a gun used in a crime.
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Newsflash, If a gun was used in a crime and ballistics were done, Which they ALWAYS are, and said gun is sold on armslist, the buyer could have a gun with bodies on it. Dont you guys own a tv? They talk about bodies on guns in every crime show on the air. Its not new news... If i were a criminal and could sell a gun i used in a crime instead of throwing it off a bridge. You can simply put an ad on armslist and sell it to an unsuspecting buyer. And if that buyer gets into trouble, he/she could be in a whole other mess of trouble...
 
N555 said:
Can't run ballistics on bullets a that reduce them selves to metal confetti.
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And how often does that happen? Willing to stake your freedom on it? Most projectiles, whether they are part or complete, leave identifiable rifling marks on them. Not to mention identifiable primer strikes on left behind brass. Watch 48 hours once in a while and you will see what they can do with ballistics testing or any youtube video on the subject.
 
Handshaker said:
Newsflash, If a gun was used in a crime and ballistics were done, Which they ALWAYS are, and said gun is sold on armslist, the buyer could have a gun with bodies on it. Dont you guys own a tv? They talk about bodies on guns in every crime show on the air. Its not new news... If i were a criminal and could sell a gun i used in a crime instead of throwing it off a bridge. You can simply put an ad on armslist and sell it to an unsuspecting buyer. And if that buyer gets into trouble, he/she could be in a whole other mess of trouble...
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Wow. Really?
 
tommy.duncan said:
Wow!! Troll??

I always get my firearm information from television crime shows!!
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Its something to think about when buying a gun in a free state, No I'm not a troll it was an honest thought provoking question. If I'm a troll than your clueless and i have a guy that wants to sell you his gun, lol. His name is Dawg and he on any corner in any hood, You cant miss him.
 
Ballistics change as the gun is shot and the barrel continues to wear down. Or the murderer could buy a new barrel and voila, the ballistics are different. I don't know how a registry could help track this but I believe it's a non-issue.
 
I stand by my first statement.

I live in a free state, without registration, and would never buy a firearm without an FFL transfer.
Sorry...Dawg... please meet me at the LGS for a proper transfer. or,

Let me see your credentials to complete this private transfer.

You are talking about an illegal transfer only a criminal would complete.
Sorry Bro, That dog don't hunt, Just carry on.
 
Navy87Guy said:
“Have bodies on them”? Are you talking about guns used in murders or shootings?

News flash: gun registration (or lack thereof) has no bearing. First, ballistics aren’t recorded so it’s not like there is a “fingerprint” database for guns. Second, even when a gun is transferred with an FFL on a 4473, there is no check of the weapon - just the individual. So whether it's a private sale or FFL transfer - in a state with or without registration - there is nothing in the process that would. flag a gun used in a crime.
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Unfortunately there are fingerprint bullets that some jurisdictions maintain. My g17 bought in Georgia came with one and the shop said that was for other areas they don't do anything with them in Georgia. I would only be speculating on what areas do so I wont.
 
browneu said:
Ballistics change as the gun is shot and the barrel continues to wear down. Or the murderer could buy a new barrel and voila, the ballistics are different. I don't know how a registry could help track this but I believe it's a non-issue.
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Drop in barrels are cheap and easy to get. Keep the original and use the drop in and your ready for inspection.
 
I have bought many guns no ffl. I'm positive a new 22lr pistol is not used in crimes. And the 45 I bought was from a military cop. I'm not going to innercity Chicago to buy guns outa a guys trunk, a certain level of prudence is expected.
 
Handshaker said:
And how often does that happen? Willing to stake your freedom on it? Most projectiles, whether they are part or complete, leave identifiable rifling marks on them. Not to mention identifiable primer strikes on left behind brass. Watch 48 hours once in a while and you will see what they can do with ballistics testing or any youtube video on the subject.
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Forensic ballistics matching is 99% BS. It's about as scientific as fingerprint matching, that is to say, it's a subjective art that has no place in a courtroom as evidence. Contrary to what you see on fictional crime drama TV shows, you cannot actually match a fired bullet to a specific firearm. You can often discern caliber, and sometimes you can match a bullet to a make/model of gun, if the barrel rifling of that specific model is unique in some way and you can retrieve the bullet mostly-intact. But there is no objective and factual way to match a fired bullet with a specific, individual firearm, the make/model and barrel of which has been mass-produced.

The fired brass from a gun can similarly be narrowed down to a specific make or sometimes even model, if that model is known to impart particular indentations or discolorations on the brass like fluted chambers on certain HK rifles. That would in no way be able to narrow down the origin to a specific serial number though.

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First of all the quaint turn of phrase is completely unfamiliar to me. If it comes from the entertainment industry it is another ridiculous dramatization. If a gun comes through an FFL there is no assurance the gun has not been used in a crime.

And terminology is important. Some new guns were required to be accompanied by a fired case that a very few jurisdictions (MD?) collected as part of the registration. It was subsequently admitted that this did nothing to assist investigations and I believe the requirement was dropped.

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tommy.duncan said:
I stand by my first statement.

I live in a free state, without registration, and would never buy a firearm without an FFL transfer.
Sorry...Dawg... please meet me at the LGS for a proper transfer. or,

Let me see your credentials to complete this private transfer.

You are talking about an illegal transfer only a criminal would complete.
Sorry Bro, That dog don't hunt, Just carry on.
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In my state, a legal transfer between private individuals consists of person A handing person B cash (or whatever was agreed upon in trade) and person B handing person A the gun. That's it. Done. No FFL or anyone's "credentials" are legally required.
 
bearcreek said:
Who is talking about an illegal transfer? In my state, a legal transfer between private individuals consists of person A handing person B cash (or whatever was agreed upon in trade) and person B handing person A the gun. That's it. Done. No FFL or anyone's "credentials" are legally required.
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In Virginia all transfers have to go through an FFL. To me this is an illegal transfer.
 
I should add that, if a gun is retrieved as a suspected murder weapon, and slugs pulled from the victim match the caliber or other basic parameters of a bullet that could be fired from said recovered firearm, that is absolutely useful evidence. But it's not proof that the bullet definitely came from the recovered weapon, only that it could have.
 
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