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indeed, i'm new to all of this so thanks for your patience.
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Pete D.
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The answer is post #2 is correct. You may not. You must be a resident to obtain a permit.
There is, however, a misunderstanding about the difficulty of getting a permit....
Not exactly true. The process is cumbersome and the permit is expensive but.....once you fill out the paper work and pay the fees, unless you are a felon or otherwise in trouble with the law, you will be issued a permit. It is not much different than what you would do to get a Driver's license.
NYC's "laws" regarding firearms are all administrative laws and require no legislative approval. They can be issued and changed pretty much on a whim.
That being said....there has been no significant change in the laws over the last few mayors.
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There is, however, a misunderstanding about the difficulty of getting a permit....
Not exactly true. The process is cumbersome and the permit is expensive but.....once you fill out the paper work and pay the fees, unless you are a felon or otherwise in trouble with the law, you will be issued a permit. It is not much different than what you would do to get a Driver's license.
NYC's "laws" regarding firearms are all administrative laws and require no legislative approval. They can be issued and changed pretty much on a whim.
That being said....there has been no significant change in the laws over the last few mayors.
Pete
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Just don't go there.
I have never been there in my 67 years and am not about to go there now.
Just don't go. To Hell with NYC. Same with Chicago. Just don't go!
leVieux
Just don't go there.
I have never been there in my 67 years and am not about to go there now.
Just don't go. To Hell with NYC. Same with Chicago. Just don't go!
leVieux
Pete D., not exactly true either. Most permits, certainly pistol permits, are MAY issue. This means the authorities are not obligated in any way to issue. Long gun permits are much easier, but handgun permits are up to the discression of the local judge. Need I say more. He/she can decide not to issue, or can decide you have enough handguns and shouldn't be allowed to have more. Or, can decide you may only have the permission to transport them only to and from a pre-approved range. Remember, this is Eastern Europe up here.
In our county the judge said one has to have a safety class. Sounded like a reasonable requirement to most people. Then they limited the number of people who could get into the safety class. Then they denied permits to the people who didn't have the required course. All perfectly legal and defendable to the voters who have no idea of what rights are all about.
In our county the judge said one has to have a safety class. Sounded like a reasonable requirement to most people. Then they limited the number of people who could get into the safety class. Then they denied permits to the people who didn't have the required course. All perfectly legal and defendable to the voters who have no idea of what rights are all about.
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then my question is-if i already have a ct driver's license and a ct ccp but live in nyc part time-what is my best avenue for keeping a handgun or shotgun in my home in nyc?
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You cannot possess any firearms legally without a NYC permit.
Bring a gun of any kind in and you take your chances. If you got caught....you'd be in trouble.
To get a permit, you would have to change your permanent residence to NYC.
About the "may" issue.....I'll defer to that idea. I will add this, though: I operate/am responsible for a range at a private club in NYC. I see a lot of shooters apply for handgun permits; I have never seen anyone with a clean record rejected.
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You cannot possess any firearms legally without a NYC permit.
Bring a gun of any kind in and you take your chances. If you got caught....you'd be in trouble.
To get a permit, you would have to change your permanent residence to NYC.
About the "may" issue.....I'll defer to that idea. I will add this, though: I operate/am responsible for a range at a private club in NYC. I see a lot of shooters apply for handgun permits; I have never seen anyone with a clean record rejected.
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You would basically need to have a NYC driver's license saying that you were a resident of NYC. Do you pay NYC income taxes too? You could probably go to 1 Police Plaza in Manhattan and explain your situation. My guess is you could get a long-gun permit for your NYC residence-as those can be issued to out of state residents. As far as a pistol permit, you're probably not going to get one. Even if you do get one (that is, they declare you are a dual resident), it's going to be a home premises license, not a carry license.
cyclopsshooter
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guliani and bloomberg... damn republicans! vote Democrat 
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InkEd says:
cyclopsshooter says:
Bloomberg passed a bill not too long ago allowing mayors to run for three terms instead of two. Even though publicly ousted and holding a conference in which voters were allowed to publicly criticize him to his face he essentially said 'I hear what you're saying, you have some good points, I'm signing this bill anyway', claiming that only two terms is not enough time to do what needs to be done in a city as large as NYC.
Funny. . . I remember a NJ representative holding a public forum that was equally ignored. . . NAH, must be my imagination, things like that never happen.
If memory serves the permit is good throughout New York state EXCEPT class A cities, of which NYC is one. I'm still not sure if Albany is considered a Class A city.
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Bloomberg passed a bill not too long ago allowing mayors to run for three terms instead of two. Even though publicly ousted and holding a conference in which voters were allowed to publicly criticize him to his face he essentially said 'I hear what you're saying, you have some good points, I'm signing this bill anyway', claiming that only two terms is not enough time to do what needs to be done in a city as large as NYC.
Funny. . . I remember a NJ representative holding a public forum that was equally ignored. . . NAH, must be my imagination, things like that never happen.
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FLR72
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Ok here is another “New York City” question. I have never been but may have to go in the near future. Is it legal to carry a pocket knife?
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yes, it is legal, but it can only be a certain length.
here are the laws.
http://www.donath.org/Rants/NYKnifeLaw/
here are the laws.
http://www.donath.org/Rants/NYKnifeLaw/
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The late Arkansas LT Governor Win Rockefeller had a NYC pistol license. I believe he had the real carrying kind. I am guessing he probably had some sort of property in NYC and deriving income from the area. Mr. Rockefeller was a citizen of Arkansas to be eligible for his position as LT Gov.
You might be able to get a pistol license to keep your gun at home in NYC if you are renting a place to live in NYC and are working. The NYPD doesn't require a NY DL. You might want to go to the PD and talk to them about your situation and desire to be legal about keeping a handgun at your apartment for protection. There is a legal and right way to do it there, you'll just have to pay and spend time to do it if you are living there.
You might be able to get a pistol license to keep your gun at home in NYC if you are renting a place to live in NYC and are working. The NYPD doesn't require a NY DL. You might want to go to the PD and talk to them about your situation and desire to be legal about keeping a handgun at your apartment for protection. There is a legal and right way to do it there, you'll just have to pay and spend time to do it if you are living there.
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razorback, that was very helpful. thank you very much.
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NYPD Links
Here are the Pistol and Long gun license links off the NYPD website that you can click on to look at.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/permits/permits.shtml
Have fun up there and hope the job goes well.
Here are the Pistol and Long gun license links off the NYPD website that you can click on to look at.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/permits/permits.shtml
Have fun up there and hope the job goes well.
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Contact John S. Chambers attorney at law,he is an new york city attorney who specializes in firearms licensing laws. I've read about him on the internet and he seems to have success in navigating the pistol licensing system of NYC.
A google search will turn up his website,give him a call and see what he says about your questions. As far as having I.D.'S issued from two different states goes,I'm not sure on that one.
I believe its illegal to have two driver licenses from a different state at the same time,but I'm not sure on a state I.D. Card. Good luck with getting your permit.
A google search will turn up his website,give him a call and see what he says about your questions. As far as having I.D.'S issued from two different states goes,I'm not sure on that one.
I believe its illegal to have two driver licenses from a different state at the same time,but I'm not sure on a state I.D. Card. Good luck with getting your permit.
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Megatron,
Funny you posted this because I called Mr. Chamber's office earlier today. I am waiting to hear back from them. Thanks for the advise though!
Funny you posted this because I called Mr. Chamber's office earlier today. I am waiting to hear back from them. Thanks for the advise though!
Pete, "May Issue" is not an idea, it is the law in NYS. No judge is obligated to issue and no judge has to justify a decision NOT to issue. I'm glad your people have been successful, but that could change with a retirement or a sidewalk demonstration, or even a incident that gains publicity with a media more than willing to skew it their own way. We're on the same side on this. But what rights we have here in NY are hanging by a thread. People around the country should know exactly what this is all about.
Cyclops. C'mon up here and visit and see what you think afterwards.
I never mentioned a political party. Why do you feel defensive?
Cyclops. C'mon up here and visit and see what you think afterwards.
I never mentioned a political party. Why do you feel defensive?
Prince Yamato
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I was browsing the NYC pistol registration site a couple months ago. There actually is a non-resident CCW permit for NYC. I forget what it's called. You don't fill out a form for one. You have to do a face-to-face with the CLEO or something like that. I want to say that it's along the lines of diplomat carry or something like that.
NYC has all the money in NY. NY state is a very poor state. As if that's not bad enough, the damn city has its own city tax, and actually the mayor is arguably more powerful than the governor. Ever heard the saying the man with the gold rules? Yup, they can make their own laws if they so well please.
If you own a GUN, in NYC, you better pray nothing ever happens where you'd have to go to court, licensed or not, its almost guaranteed to be a far worse outcome than whatever it is that led you there.
Are you LEO, big time politician or high government official or filthy rich? Or unnecessary to get one since the law doesn't apply to you? (criminals, mob, gangs...etc) If none of these apply, good-luck.
invisiblem0nst3r
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im so greatfull i live in az i can walk in into walmart with an ak 47 with a drum mag if i wanted to.
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That is a description of shall-issue; New York State is discretionary; each county is different based on the whim of authority; Suzanne Novak in Fordham Law Review described the administration of the New York State pistol permit as a violation of New York state constitution on due process and equal justice grounds.
The pistol permit to purchase and permit to carry are not administered like driver's license, that would be "shall-issue" permit and the line is pretty well draw in the sand:
In New York City, the first application is routinely denied; you are then advised to hire a lawyer, and expect the process to take a year and ~$5,000. I don't think that is required for a driver's license.
And New York City in its paternalistic, plutocratic, oligarchic hubris has campaigned for decades to shove a Federal Sullivan Act down the throats of the rest of the nation regardless of state constitutions that guarantee a citizen's or individual's right to keep and bear arms. If it weren't for that, I would not care what Bloomberg did in his little fiefdom. or Daley for that matter.
That is a description of shall-issue; New York State is discretionary; each county is different based on the whim of authority; Suzanne Novak in Fordham Law Review described the administration of the New York State pistol permit as a violation of New York state constitution on due process and equal justice grounds.
The pistol permit to purchase and permit to carry are not administered like driver's license, that would be "shall-issue" permit and the line is pretty well draw in the sand:
In New York City, the first application is routinely denied; you are then advised to hire a lawyer, and expect the process to take a year and ~$5,000. I don't think that is required for a driver's license.
And New York City in its paternalistic, plutocratic, oligarchic hubris has campaigned for decades to shove a Federal Sullivan Act down the throats of the rest of the nation regardless of state constitutions that guarantee a citizen's or individual's right to keep and bear arms. If it weren't for that, I would not care what Bloomberg did in his little fiefdom. or Daley for that matter.
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Yeah....in a state of nearly 19 million people, nearly 12 million live in NYC and the surrounds. That is where the money is. Add another 1.5 million for the cities across the middle of the state from Albany to Buffalo and you have plenty of room for the remainder to stretch out in (but it sure ain't Montana).
NYC - for all the bad things that people say about it and its politicians and laws, it ain't a bad place to live. I have a pistol range that I can walk to only five blocks from my home. It's a fifteen mile drive to shoot Trap on Staten Island.
For my daily needs, I can walk to shopping with a wide variety of supermarkets and fresh meat and produce vendors. There are two cinemas inside a five minute walk and, at least thirty restaurants (maybe double that) representing foods from twenty different countries inside the same area. Also close are two remarkable parks - one still developing along the East River.
Yeah, I know.....it's a city and not everyone's cup of tea but it's got a lot to offer - is the glass half full or half empty.
I have heard a rumor that there is a plan to lower to registration fees for handgun permits to a more affordable level (after the election....and it's a rumor).
Pete
That is absolutely untrue. Every shooter that I know in NYC - and I know dozens of them - was issued their permit on the first application. I certainly was.
You mean very poor outside NYC and Long Island and Westchester.
Yeah....in a state of nearly 19 million people, nearly 12 million live in NYC and the surrounds. That is where the money is. Add another 1.5 million for the cities across the middle of the state from Albany to Buffalo and you have plenty of room for the remainder to stretch out in (but it sure ain't Montana).
NYC - for all the bad things that people say about it and its politicians and laws, it ain't a bad place to live. I have a pistol range that I can walk to only five blocks from my home. It's a fifteen mile drive to shoot Trap on Staten Island.
For my daily needs, I can walk to shopping with a wide variety of supermarkets and fresh meat and produce vendors. There are two cinemas inside a five minute walk and, at least thirty restaurants (maybe double that) representing foods from twenty different countries inside the same area. Also close are two remarkable parks - one still developing along the East River.
Yeah, I know.....it's a city and not everyone's cup of tea but it's got a lot to offer - is the glass half full or half empty.
I have heard a rumor that there is a plan to lower to registration fees for handgun permits to a more affordable level (after the election....and it's a rumor).
Pete
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