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Jim K

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As many of you know, I tend to defend gunsmiths, since I used to be one. But let me tell you a tale.

A couple of years ago, I bought a .25 Steyr pistol to add to a modest collection of European pocket and vest pocket pistols. It is of the "pop up" barrel type (Pieper patent) and the barrel spring was missing as well as the barrel pivot screw.

Having a ton of real work (note to Teresa Heinz Kerry - this means work you do for money because you have to, something you don't know much about) and no furnace, I took the barrel and an identical screw to a gunsmith and asked him to make the spring and screw. He did tell me that he had no metric dies, but I said that 8x32 would be very close and to go ahead and thread the screw to that size. I figured the job would take a couple of hours and was willing to pay accordingly. That was about 18 months ago.

The gunsmith is well known for doing high dollar shotgun work for the duck hunting fraternity, but assured me my work would be no problem and that he would call me in a "few weeks".

After about 6 months, I had heard nothing, so I called him. He thanked me for "reminding" him and told me to call again in a "few weeks". A month later, I called, and he again told me he had laid my work aside but that he would get to it "next week".

To make a long story short, I called last week, and asked him to send me back the parts and a bill for any work he had done. He sent me back the parts and a 2" piece of spring steel he had scratched a line on. No bill.

Having more time now, I took his piece of spring steel, and used a file and Dremel tool to make the spring. I tempered it with a propane torch, quenched it in oil and drew it to a nice blue. Works great.

I made the screw from an old Dixie Gun Works screw for an 1842 pistol rammer that I happened to have and that was the right size to work after some thread cutting and shaping.

All in all, the job took me about two hours, including a stop for a sandwich and Pepsi.

I will probably still advise most folks to take gun work to a gunsmith if they can't do the work themselves. But the current state of gunsmithing work is pretty sad.

Jim
 
:uhoh: Two hours. At normal gunsmith rates that would cost $395.00 for labor, not to mention materials. :uhoh: Good job, Jim. As old whatsisname used to say, "if you want something done, you have to do it yerself." :uhoh:
 
Not being a gunsmith, I can see why Jim did it himself. I turn my Single Action Tune Ups in about 10 days. It takes a little longer if I need parts. The reason that I have always scheduled work in is so that I don't have your gun lying around for years. I tell them when and how to send it and then it goes to the bench and back out the door. I completly rebuilt a 1910 Colt Peacemaker with all new parts in a little over two weeks. Jobs like you mentioned are labors of love and tend to be shoved back in the corner. I charged the guy $125.00 plus the parts, $146.80, for a weeks work. No one else would tackle it in this State until he found me. It was a real challenge and I made another old man a happy camper. I tend to get suckered into these jobs because I like the people. Oh well. Onward and Upward.
 
I guess I really am out of touch. I figured around $80-100 for that job, not $400. Still, I would have paid what he asked, even if it was after the rescue squad revived me. Dave, on the other hand, really did a "labor of love" at $125 for a week's work.

I well know that the small jobs get pushed aside, but was willing to take his "few weeks" at face value. There is a limit, though.

I am getting a bit long in the tooth to get back in the business, but if I found a shop that wanted me, I would sure consider it. I just don't have the capital to set up a shop; it just takes too much money today. That is why the charges are so high, smiths have to amortize all that expensive equipment.

Jim
 
Gunsmith Tales

My favorites are the ones that reverse polarity...

"My kid took this thing apart." (riiiight)

"Can you fix this?" (Seein' as how the topstrap got bent when the chamber blew out...I don't think so, Tim")

"I wanted to see if just the primer would blow the bullet out so I could shoot in the garage. I drilled the flash hole out a little." (Yep...that bigger hole let the primer blow the bullet about halfway through the barrel, there Bunky.")

"Don't worry. It's not loa...:what: " (Better than: "Don't worry. It's not loa...BANG!) Ever heard a .270 let go in a small gun store? Ever seen the Saturday pre-hunting season crowd all hit the deck in unison in a small gun store? That's GOTTA be the most deafening silence ever for about 10 seconds afterward. Right up there with "I can't get the shell outta the chamber."

"I need ta buy one bullet." (And the guy has a revolver) :scrutiny:

"I need the cheapest gun ya got. It's only gotta shoot once.":uhoh:

"Yeah...It's kinda hard to tell a .41 Magnum bullet from a .44 ain't it?"

"I swear for the life of me, I can't figger out how that 20-gauge shell got in that 12 gauge chamber" (Those are especially graphic)

"I guess a .22 magnum bullet won't fit in that cylinder after all." (Well...It might have if you'd hit it a few more times, genius)

The list could go on...
 
ROTF.........................................LMAO! Great Post, Tuner!

hey! I got these really great magazines at the gunshow for only three dollars! They are the real army issue............................................I also got some real cheap re-loads that I just can't wait to shoot up! Wow is I!
 
Tales of Woe

C'mon Jim! Toss a few into the ring.

One more came to mind after I shut down last night.

A guy walks in with a minty '03-A3 Springfield...bolt halfway out of battery...
round was jammed hard...Wouldn't chamber and wouldn't extract. The conversation went kinda like this:

"Sumthin's bad wrong with this thing. The bullet won't go in the burl."

"In the what?'

"In the burl."

"Oh! Okay. What's the deal?"

"Looky here! I think the burl's too little or the bullet's too big."

"Well, no...8mm Mauser ammo won't work in a .30-06 chamber. It'll do fine in a German Mauser, though...."

"Ain't this a German Mauser?":confused:

"Nope...See? It says right there: U.S. (Smith-Corona) Model 1903-A3. That would mean that it's a .30-06."

"Well dayumm! Uh...Can ya get it out?"

Seems that the guy had ordered about 2,000 rounds of the stuff from an ad in Shotgun News. He said he reckoned that he'd try to find a Mauser to shoot it in. He never came back. Good sign that he didn't buy a
7X57 Mauser, I guess...
 
And you wonder why the manufacturers go crazy !!! I met a guy whose new P38 wouldn't function. We examined it and test fired it - no problem. We asked him to show us how he loaded it - he put the rounds in the mag backwards !!....Or, we asked a guy about letting his kids near the auto shotgun that wouldn't work. 'my kids never, never have access to my guns ' We said , so who stuffed the peanut butter sandwich into the action?
 
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Then there was the guy who fired a .454 Casull round in a Topper single-shot .410 shotgun...That was a real hoot.

And the two geniuses who handloaded a few .45 Colt rounds with 32 grains of black powder...except they did it with 32 grains of Accurate #7 that somebody had given'em. Well...It WAS black...kinda. That one didn't go too well. Last I heard, one of'em was still havin' surgery on his hand.
I saw the gun, but never got a chance to meet Dumb and Dumber...I'm pretty sure it was a Ruger Vaquero...but don't hold me to that.
 
At the local range, we had an elderly woman come in to practice for her Texas CHL license. She brought her husband's 70 Series blued Colt Gold Cup 1911 and managed to fire a .40 S&W round through the gun. The gun was not damaged but the case was swollen out and looked strange.
 
Gunsmith "tail"

Doctor Dremel was working on an officer's side arm one fine day when one of the Doctor's good friends (a "working girl") decided to pay him a visit. The good Doctor took her into the workshop and shut the door. The officer in question was initially perplexed, then increasingly vexed. Another employee, far braver than me, performed dynamic entry to rescue the hostage pistol. Never did see that officer, or his pistol, again.
:what:
 
I have lots of those those tales.

One guy brought in a .22 bolt action and told me "the pusher inner works OK and the puller outer works, but the thrower outer don't work." I replaced the ejector.

Another was the guy who wanted "dirty caliber boolets". I asked what weight, but he didn't know, so I got a couple of boxes of Sierra down to show him. "Dems ain't boolets, dems heads, I want boolets." Finally realizing he wanted ammunition, I asked what kind, telling him that there were several kinds of "dirty caliber". "I dunno, yore the gun guy, you otta know that!" He finally left, cussing my stupidity.

When I first started working as a gunsmith, I found that the kids in this area are really smart. I don't know how many guns we got in bags or boxes that "my kid took apart." I knew some of the kids were only 4 or 5 and figured they had to be pretty darn smart to get a Colt revolver apart, even if they couldn't get it back together.

A real ballistics expert told me with a supercilious smirk that the noise made by a gun was the air rushing back into the barrel after the bullet left.

And I can't count the number of gun owners who think that a bullet flies absolutely straight for some distance (100 yards is a favorite), then falls to the ground.

Some genius types think the firing pin hits the back of the case so hard the bullet flies out the barrel. So much for primers, powder and all that unnecessary stuff.

I have told elsewhere of the owner of a Remington Model 11 who saw me push in the barrel to check the friction ring setting and was amazed that the barrel moved. He had shot that gun for years and didn't know the barrel moved.

Jim
 
Ah, gun experts!

In Basic Training, we had a Sergeant explain to us how a Garand works:

"The chamber pressure is 50,000 pounds per square inch. This means that there's 25,000 pounds per square inch pushing the bullet, and 25,000 pounds per square inch pushing the bolt back to cycle the action..."

I wisely refrained from asking the purpose of the gas port and operating rod.

If you run across some Old Fart who believes the Garand operates as explained above, ask him if he did Basic at Fort Bliss in 1954.

:), Art
 
Ah, basic training.

The firearms instructor told us that the ammunition we were going to use (ball) was not "real combat" ammunition. "Real combat" ammunition has a black tip (AP), and has a lot of power. But the practice ammo has just enough power to punch a hole in paper and then the bullet falls to the ground. Needless to say, none of us private e-nothings called him an idiot.

We went through the infiltration course twice; once with no firing and once with overhead MG fire. After the first pass, the rifles were filthy and we had to clean them. So one guy decided to wrap the receiver in a rag to keep it clean. The DI saw this and had a lot of fun with the rifle "having the rag on". He joked that he didn't know there were male and female rifles. Some clown in the rear (not me) asked, "Where do you think carbines come from?"

Jim
 
Never allow newbies or people who know very little about firearms explain how firearms work to other newbies. Let that be up the armorers. :eek:
 
And the two geniuses who handloaded a few .45 Colt rounds with 32 grains of black powder...except they did it with 32 grains of Accurate #7 that somebody had given'em.
:what:

I am not a gunsmith but I have had to put a couple of friends guns back together after they "disassembled" a little too far... :uhoh:
 
1911Tuner said:
"I need the cheapest gun ya got. It's only gotta shoot once.":uhoh:
I was watching Tales of the Gun - Infamous Guns, and they said some assassin (I forget who) wanted to get pearl grips for his gun because it'd look good in a museum someday, but sadly he couldn't afford them.
 
Thanks Art. That is not what I usually hear from a Moderator. What a pleasure to be put in the same catagory with Fatman and Boy Blunder! At least I am a real one with pretty good credentials in over 20 years in the gun business. I like people who have enough courage to use their real name. I also like the High Road Forum and have mucho fun tweaking "The Experts".
 
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