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Guy suing to carry on Univ. grounds - hit this poll

Discussion in 'Legal' started by DigMe, Sep 23, 2004.

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  1. DigMe

    DigMe Member

    May 14, 2003
    Waco, TX
  2. SB88LX

    SB88LX Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    Under tyranny in MD
    blow this poll apart, 172 votes, i voted no/RKBA. (that is, FOR the RKBA, not no as in against it)
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2004
  3. oneslowgun

    oneslowgun Member

    Feb 12, 2004
    marysville, OH
    As of right now....

    Do you think JMU has the right to ban concealed weapons on campus?
    Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 63.4%
    No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 34.6%
    I do not know. 2.1%

    Total votes: 191
    You have already voted!
  4. SMLE

    SMLE Member

    Nov 9, 2003
    Albuquerque New Mexico
    Intresting editorial that goes with this story...

    Not sure I like the illustration that goes with it, but the editorial itself surprised me.


    JMU policy no match for Constitution
    House Editorial

    Most students consider JMU to be a safe place to live and learn — crime is low and quality of life is high. For many people, the possibility of carrying a gun on campus is not even a passing thought. While the Bill of Rights guarantees the right to bear arms, JMU policy for some time has forbidden any non-law enforcement personnel from possessing firearms, licensed or otherwise, on campus. However, in Virginia, the General Assembly is the only body that can determine where firearms cannot be carried and, currently, only some places are forbidden to gun wielders.

    Now, a lawsuit filed Wednesday by State Chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus Dave Briggman, a gun owner and concealed weapon license holder, correctly alleges that because JMU is a public university, it has no grounds on which to suspend an individual’s rights and therefore legally should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon on campus. Another college’s policy recently was defeated in court by Briggman and, while JMU’s intentions are pure, this policy is not one that can — or should — hold up in court.

    While this suit could be perceived as a threat to the JMU community, in reality it is court actions like this one that maintain the integrity of our civil rights. This should not, however, be construed as a free pass to Biggman or other gun owners. Just as it is illegal to shout "Fire!" in a burning building despite First Amendment rights, owning and carrying a gun comes with certain necessary responsibilities.

    A gun carrier must never draw his or her weapon unless absolutely necessary and must never create a situation where those around him or her feel unsafe or threatened in any way. A gun is one of the most potent and omnipresent symbols of absolute power over life and death — this power must be respected and treated with the seriousness it deserves.

    If JMU believes, as its policy seems to indicate, that this power is too great to invite onto campus and instead that it invites only tragedy, the proper path to follow is toward Richmond. If college communities statewide petitioned against firearms on campus, it undoubtedly would influence the state legislature. A public institution, however, cannot legally take the initiative and simply ban licensed firearm owners from carrying their guns on its property.

    Undoubtedly, Biggman will be viewed in a negative connotation by many in the interest of public safety, but his assertion of his rights is commendable. If we are to maintain our free society, a violation of our rights on any scale must be challenged and overturned.
  5. Daniel964

    Daniel964 Member

    Jul 8, 2004
    Columbus, OH
    Do you think JMU has the right to ban concealed weapons on campus?

    Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 58.7%

    No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 39.4%

    I do not know. 1.9%

    Total votes: 208
  6. tyme

    tyme Member

    Dec 19, 2002
    Sometimes a gun is just a gun.
  7. Norton

    Norton Member

    Mar 10, 2003
    I hadn't seen this....JMU is my Alama Mater.....

    A little background on this that I know of because I used to teach in that area:

    A while back, there was a lawsuit against the Rockingham County Public Schools, which is the jurisdiction that surrounds Harrisonburg....where JMU is.

    The nature of the action was that the RCPS prohibits students from being able to carry their hunting rifles in the trunks of their cars while on school property. I'm not sure if Mr. Briggman was involved in that situation.....but Keezletown, his home, is in the attendance area where I used to teach and the newspapers were focusing on that particular school.

    Here is the article from August 2003 regarding the issue in the local schools:

    >>>Warner Hedges on Virginia Schools' Anti-Gun Policies
    Updated: Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 - 4:28 AM EDT.

    Associated Press Writer

    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Gov. Mark R. Warner hedged slightly Thursday on whether a state law allowing students to leave unloaded hunting guns locked inside their vehicles on school property will trump local school boards' zero-tolerance firearms rules.

    Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore, at the request of a state senator, is reviewing whether local schools may banish weapons from campus, even though state law allows unloaded guns on school property if they are locked in a car trunk or closed container.

    The Rockingham County School Board approved a total ban of firearms on school grounds. Warner this year signed into law an amendment adopted by the General Assembly that exempts students who hunt and lock their guns safely away from school gun bans.

    A caller to Warner's monthly radio question-and-answer show on WRVA-AM in Richmond said some school boards have policies that would expel or suspend students who bring guns onto school grounds as state law allows, the caller said.

    If Kilgore issues a formal opinion against the school boards' positions, he asked Warner, "is the state willing to take action to enforce the state's own laws against the school boards?"

    "I was intrigued to see the school board, with its zero-tolerance policy, how that does conflict with the law," Warner replied. "In my mind, it's pretty clear. The law's pretty clear that students do have that right."

    But he qualified his answer, saying his only knowledge of the issue was what he had read in newspaper accounts.

    "My only caveat I'd put on this ... is I'd like to get a little more facts than just a newspaper article before I fully weigh in on it," Warner said.

    Warner also defended the decisions by state-supported colleges and universities to admit high numbers of out-of-state students, even though it makes it tougher for in-state students to gain admission.

    "That's one of the reasons why we have nationally ranked universities. It's one of the reasons why U.Va. and (The College of) William & Mary are No. 1 and, I believe, No. 3, in terms of national rankings of universities, and there is some value, I believe, to bringing a more diverse student population," Warner said.

    As Virginia, William & Mary and Virginia Tech gain in national academic prestige, Warner said, they have brought other schools, such as James Madison University, up with them.

    Warner said the overall percentage of out-of-state students has not risen dramatically, but their presence helps Virginia's public colleges and universities meet their budgets because the much higher tuitions non-Virginia students pay offsets costs for in-state students.

    "It is a financially driven equation. Out-of-state students pay about 130 percent of the costs," the governor said.

    "For every in-state student, the difference between the tuition and the in-state costs is about $6,000 that the university has to cover. Part of the way they cover that is by state support, but part of the way the cover that is by charging out-of-state students," he said.

    Warner next week begins a series of weekly announcements detailing his major 2004 legislative initiative to reform education from grade schools through college.

    (Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)<<<
  8. Leatherneck

    Leatherneck Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    No. Virginia and Northern Neck
    It will be fascinating to watch as the VA preemption law plays out; I'd like to see it resoved by exempting ONLY private property, as in homes, businesses, and private schools. Watching anti-RKBA types squirm is my favorite sport! :D

    TFL Survivor
  9. Greg L

    Greg L Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Northern KY
    Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 51.2%
    No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 47.1%
    I do not know. 1.7%

    Total votes: 242
  10. BeLikeTrey

    BeLikeTrey Guest

    The proof is just to the left of the suit article

    the trespassing in women's dorms! right next to the article on the lawsuit to carry. DUH?!
  11. BeLikeTrey

    BeLikeTrey Guest


    That was my favorite quote from Collateral!
  12. halvey

    halvey Member

    Apr 28, 2004
    51% us.
  13. Col. Mustard

    Col. Mustard Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Looks like we've caught up

    No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 50.6%
    Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 47.9%
    I do not know. 1.5%

    Who bothers to vote in these polls to say that they don't know? :rolleyes:
  14. Chupacabra

    Chupacabra Member

    Jun 16, 2003
    Seattle, WA
    60% us.

    38% them.


  15. mattf7184

    mattf7184 Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    South FL
    Wow, I wish our school wasnt so liberal that we could even dream of CCW on campus. A few days ago someone got shot pretty much across the street from campus and a student stabbed to death for his stuff last year.
  16. Edmond

    Edmond Member

    May 12, 2004
    Wish You Were Here
    I guess criminals would also fall under the exemption because they're not known to follow any laws.:rolleyes:
  17. Telwan

    Telwan Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    Seattle, WA
    I don't know about JMU but there are times I would love to be able to carry here at the University of Washington.

  18. Bemidjiblade

    Bemidjiblade Member

    Jun 12, 2004
    North Woods, MN
    losing again

    67% yes, 31% no....


    More proof that quantity of liberalism has substituted for quality of thought in what passes for institutes of higher learning.

    A friend of mine has a CCW in MN but can't even carry in ND (too much red tape and expense). The campus there would be much safer if liberal idiots let the law abiding people have the right to defend themselves.

    Unfortunately, the need for protection in our nation's universities is ever increasing. My freind T had to beat a man senseless with her bare hands when she came upon her (the friend), being sexually assaulted in a bathroom where she was passed out. (The friend passed out. As sexy as T is she can't beat men senseless in her sleep quite yet).

    Here in B Town, three alleged morons allegedly took their social status as jocks to allegedly drug and allegedly gang rape a coed while their alleged friend allegedly took alleged photos of it. Wouldn't the victim's family be a lot happier if a single man with honor at the part had been able to produce some... non-physical intimdation to back them off?

    More specifically, the kind of gutless bloody wonders who need to drug women and THEN outnumber them four to one in order to get some would probably run screaming if there was even a chance they would be stopped.

    I remember being proud of my older siblings for being in college. Now I'm ashamed to be a college student, since it puts me in the same league with the morons who support CCW bans on campus.
  19. intruder13

    intruder13 Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    n/m, wrong link
  20. Ewok

    Ewok Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Los Gatos, CA, USA, Earth
    Rockingham Memorial Hospital is my Alma Mater. ;)
  21. Jake

    Jake Member

    Aug 8, 2003
    Central Florida
    73.6 no ( us )

    25.8 yes ( them )

    0.7 I don't know.
  22. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Seems to me college students' lives are as worthy of being defended as others.
  23. gezzer

    gezzer Member

    Aug 15, 2004
    Do you think JMU has the right to ban concealed weapons on campus?
    No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 73.6%
    Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 25.7%
    I do not know. 0.7%

    Total votes: 595
    You have already voted!
  24. Demon440

    Demon440 Member

    Aug 8, 2003
    No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 73.7%
    Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 25.6%
    I do not know. 0.7%

    Total votes: 598
  25. vertigo7

    vertigo7 Member

    Dec 24, 2002

    [blockquote]No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 74.8%
    Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 24.6%
    I do not know. 0.6%

    Total votes: 638[/blockquote]
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