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H&K bringing the G36 here to USA...

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  1. SilverCat

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    I've seen those 416 mags. Apparently awesome mags, but I'm not buying one HK mag when I can buy almost 9 usgi mags, haha.

    (Also, how do you quote someone?? I CAN'T figure this out, ughhh)
     
  2. Trent

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    I will say one thing about the SL-8 (I own one)... the dang things are very accurate.

    Mine shoots 3/4 to 1 MOA groups all day long, with Federal factory ammo.

    The 10 round capacity sucks, and I'm not going to spend the cash to convert it to a G36 clone. But for a target rifle? It's well balanced, and shoots straight.

    (I picked mine up for $1,100 at an auction.. which was quite a bargain).
     
  3. HOOfan_1

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    They removed the feature because people were quoting huge walls of text and pictures, instead of cutting out what they were not replying to and only leaving the parts they were replying to.

    If you want to quote you can put brackets [] around the word "quote" and then an end bracket [/] with the word "quote" between the / and the ]. Just cut and paste the parts you want to quote between the first [] and the [/].

    In order to put the name of the person you are replying to you would want to begin the code with [] and the words "quote=name of person you are replying to" would be in between the [ and the ]

    Or you can right click on the little quick reply icon in the lower right of the message you want to reply to and select "open in new tab" from the menu. That allows you to quote....just make sure you cut out anything that you are not replying to.
     
  4. Trent

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    No, if you want to quote, you click the little thing at the bottom right of the message you want. Then at the bottom of the screen (where you type your message) click the checkbox next to "Quote Message in Reply?", and click "Go Advanced".

    ALL of the person's text will be visible. You can then split it up to make replies to segments as Hoofan mentioned.

    (Note, you can only quote ONE message with this. If you want to quote multiple messages it becomes much more tedious.)
     
  5. HOOfan_1

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    That is where you can right click and open in new tab and just copy and paste....that is the easier way for me anyway, but I always have multiple tabs open anyway.
     
  6. Trent

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    I usually "go advanced" as it lists the messages in the thread out in reverse chronological order under your post, you can copy & paste off of them there. But either way would work. Your way would be better / faster on my tablet.
     
  7. jason41987

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    beneficial in which terms?.. financially beneficial, sure, use magazines you may already have or atleast are very common to come by, but for reliability no, G36 magazines offer superior reliability over AR15 mags, the G36 mag is fully curved to match the natural forward curve when you stack a bunch of tapered cartridges (ar-15 mags are straight on top).. so for reliability id definitely take G36 mags, but theyre going to be really expensive i bet.. like $50+ a pop

    so it really depends on what your goal is.. anyway, if this is going to be a REAL G36 clone then the magwell would be interchangeable and is likely only shown with an AR15/STANAG magwell to attract the AR15/ACR/SCAR people towards it by letting them know they can use magazines they already have

    so if H&K is smart about this theyll make it compatible with G36 parts and accessories including forearms, rails, magwells, etc.. if they dont then its likely to not be success because people want a G36 and that would include compatibility with such parts
     
  8. DammitBoy

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    I'm an HK fan, but that thing is fugly.
     
  9. SilentScream

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    For the everyday dirt shooter, tactical Ted, mall ninja, etc. It is very beneficial since the AR mag has got to be the most common mag here in the states. However there has been a mag well adapter for the G36 to use AR/M16 mags around for many years. I suspect it will show up with that adapter, but the standard mag well will be available for purchase(the AR adapter is not very expensive).
     
  10. jason41987

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    thats what im thinking.. give people the option of using cheap, plentiful mags they already have, or better ones theyd have to pay extra for

    but none of it matters to me, i own zero ar-15 magazines and have no interest in an AR15, a G36, an FN SCAR, or an ACR, none of these do anything for me.. there was a time when i was younger and really a huge fan of HK when i really, really wanted them to come out with a real civilian G36 but that times long past and ive moved on to other designs, other rifles, and other handguns.. so for me this rifle is about 10 years too late
     
  11. Fishbed77

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    In that case, buy a MR556A1 or SCAR 16S or Tavor, (or pick your over-priced foreign piston rifle design) that uses AR mags.

    If I am going to pay the kind of money HK is likely to ask for this semi-auto G36, I want a G36 (or at least something that is as close as legally possible).

    That means G36 mags (which are superior to AR mags), a proper G36 forearm, and a G36 stock, none of which this rifle appears to have.
     
  12. housecat

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    "It will cost you first born child and it will have a 12 pound trigger pull like my buddy's HK91 ."

    My HK91 cost me $400.00 at a pawn shop (many years ago), and yes it is an H&K, not some wannabee. The trigger pull is no where near 12 lbs. , and it will function will any dimensionally correct .308 ammunition.
     
  13. jason41987

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    honestly, i like HKs older stuff (G3, HK53, and their civilian counterparts) more.. even if they are harsh on brass when you think about the situation those soldiers may go through, you dont see them walking around on the battlefield after a fight picking up spent casings.. that aside its an insanely reliable, accurate, and durable design where the G36 is really not much different than all the new rifles coming out, though ill give HK credit as having been the first on the scene with those ideas (except for maybe the AUG which lets face it, was about 40 years ahead of its time and is only now beginning to really shine as a rifle)
     
  14. ugaarguy

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    Jason, please tell us about your extensive experience with the G36 and the AR-15 / M16 family of rifles that has allowed you to make such an assertion.
     
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    I don't see how G36 mags are superior to AR mags. If you have an AR mag that will not feed properly you can easily replace it and cheaper too. It's hard for me to understand the mentality of someone who is willing to throw down a thousand bucks or more on a rifle then buy the cheapest mags they can find. New GI or good used AR mags with self leveling followers can be had for as cheap as $10 each.

    I've only had problems out of old 20 round mags (if loaded with 20 rounds, they work fine with 18 or less rounds). That doesn't even mention P Mags.
     
  16. jason41987

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    engineering experience ugaarguy, problem with AR15 magazines as i stated before is they dont allow the tapered cartridge to follow their natural arc when stacked together (top third or so of the AR15 magazine is straight, and cartridges dont want to be straight), the engineers of the G36 were aware of this problem (as were the engineers of the steyr AUG) and therefor their magazines are designed to match the natural arc of the stacked cartridges, no binding, no tilting.. hense the reason magpul has been going through so much trouble trying to improve the interior shape of their magazines for more reliable feeding

    so yeah, i stand firm about what i say, G36 mags are better designed and will have fewer magazine related issues than something with a STANAG magwell, so again if someone has a lot of AR15 magazines already and doesnt want to buy anymore, thats fine, but i would have ZERO interest at that point because if thats what i wanted i could just as easily go out and buy a SCAR, ACR, XCR, etc

    i think people were angry enough when HK insulted them by releasing that SL8 crap.. anything less than something as close to identicle to the military version as possible will just be another let down for myself and many others

    p-mags are in my opinion one of the aftermarkets best efforts into improving the AR15 magazines, but what theyre trying to do are things that HK engineered into the original design of their rifle from the start
     
  17. ugaarguy

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    So, you have field experience with these firearms as a small arms engineer? Or are you just stating theory rather than actual experience?
     
  18. Inebriated

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    Wasn't aware that HK is in the business of building image. Thought their job was to build firearms to keep people alive. But if your guns are about image, then have at it.
     
  19. jason41987

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    my experience with shooting the G36 is with the SL8.. uses the same magazines and the magazines are very high quality, if an AR15 used G36 magazines i think it would be quite an improvement, and i used to have an MSAR i was forced to sell for financial reasons (semi automatic AUG clone before AUG started releasing their own) and to this date i like the aug more than any other rifle designed since then.. the magazines of both rifles ive never had a single issue with, and ive had a few with AR mags.. so on paper and experience

    that said, id rather buy a real steyr made AUG rifle than a real G36 clone anyway.. now im sitting here in my mind trying to figure out how i could find some way to afford one..
     
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    If they do and it's under $2,000 I would most certainly buy one!

    I've always loved the look of the G36 and the SLR-8 that I got to shoot was insanely accurate, I just could never stand the neutered look of the SLR-8 and buying one and doing a G36 conversion seemed like too much work and too much money.

    When I go to the Shot Show in January I will do a little investigating into this rumor.
     
  21. jason41987

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    plus you had to dye the plastic so it wasnt that incredibly ugly gray color.. still didnt use the same folding stock either.. if HK cant even sell a 90% plastic handgun for under $800 then i seriously doubt theyre going to sell their flagship military rifle for anything less than $2k
     
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    The AR15's magwell dimensions are such that it practically forces the mags to be weak; material sciences be damned. Let's not kid ourselves, AR mags are the most fragile of any 5.56 weapons system. Every single magazine for non-AR pattern 5.56 rifles that I've ever owned have been superior in strength and durability, but usually at the expense of cost. Those magazines were not designed with immediate disposal in mind, but rather inline with a mag retention mantra. Since we're talking about an HK de$ign here, the discussions of cost are tertiary to reliability/dependablity and overall durability. Anyone that's ever owned a shoulder-fired HK will tell you the same.

    The G36 uses swappable magwells, and the standard pattern magwells are pretty cheap. The mags run $50 each, but compared to German HK93 & MP5 mags, that's on the cheap end. Magpul G36 mags are available for $30 for someone seeking a cheaper alternative.

    I never bought a MR556 because I don't shoot full auto with a short barrel and a suppressor. In my semi-auto applications its benefits are lost. Considering what HK delivered in terms of a proprietary system that isn't directly compatible with 416 parts, I still think it's a non-started for those who do own a RDIAS or LL.

    If HK delivers a G36 in combat style trim, and not an 9lb.+ "Match" heifer like the MR rifles, then it will be an interesting offering that will sell. Let's face it, the whole reason they'd even consider doing this is because they see the MR556/762 rifles selling, and they've acknowledged the current market for G36 conversions.

    If HK decides to make it in a way that it requires another $1,000 to get it inline with the military offering, then it will not be as successful. Since we still don't have a MR rifle with a lighter barrel profile on the market, I don't know if HK sees the light in what people are after.
     
  23. ugaarguy

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    Jason, thanks for clarifying on your experience.

    Boricua, there may be stronger mag designs, but I haven't found Pmags or USGI mags to be particularly fragile. Lancer L5 mags are downright robust in my experience. But I'll leave that alone and stop dragging this off topic.

    I hope HK is reading this, or someone with pull internally has explained this to the decision makers. Don't do it halfway, and don't make it heavy because competition is fierce.
     
  24. jason41987

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    boricua9mm, i forgot to mention what you just said about the G36 magazines also being much thicker and stronger too, thats another advantage of them.. heck, i might consider an AR15 if someone made a lower that took G36 mags.. $30 for magpul brand is really not a bad price, id pay it

    competition really wasnt nearly as fierce 5 years ago as it is now.. with things like the ACR, SCAR, and XCR only now beginning to offer features in design that the G36 had a decade or more earlier, it really was one of the first of the ultra new polymer rifles.. i think HKs biggest mistake though was to wait until after all this competition has established itself before releasing it

    so yeah, if they only go halfway with this, i think itll fail completely, and even if they go all the way i dont think itll be very successful to price it equal to or higher than the more established alternatives (i mean established in the civilian market, people already own SCARs and ACRs)

    so if its full military configuration.. except for the full auto capabilities of course, and priced around $1,500, then i think itll succeed.. but i wont be buying one, the only rifle i really like thats been designed in the last 25 years is the CZ-805 bren, and not from a personal experience, strictly on paper, it also has interchangable magwells and can use AR15 and G36 magazines, and if im not mistaken CZ has stated they plan to release a civilian version too

    and you may disagree with me, but i consider the steyr aug to be the absolute first of the newer rifle designs.. and it was out almost 40 years ago, even has a quick change barrel
     
  25. Fishbed77

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    Since they license their name and appearance of their firearms to Umarex to make crappy potmetal rimfires and airsoft toys, yes, it is quite true that HK is in the business of building image.
     
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