H&K P2000 vs USPc

[MrBorland]

What's generally the difference? I've been trying to do some research, and I'm still confused - is the P2000 just an updated USPc? Is the USPc currently made, i.e. did the P2000 replace the USPc?

I'm casually shopping around for a 9mm. The range I go to has a large selection of rentals and I've tried a bunch of 9mm's. So I'm liking the Browning HiPower and H&K USPc the best. The P2000 seems to get rave reviews, but they only had a P2000 in 40S&W, but since I'm interested in checking out 9mms and the USPc looked and felt almost identical, I tried the USPc. Very nice!

A guy at the range had some issues (concerns, really) about H&K's customer service, and shortage of local (or even stateside) H&K-qualified gunsmiths in the event it ever needs to be fixed - is there anything to this concern?

 

[gudel]

I have several full size & P2000.
I like the USP lines better, I feel it's more durable than the P2000, though this opinion does not make the P2000 any weaker. Ignore the range hillbillies because he doesn't know what he's talking about. Which would you rather listen to, people who own some vs people who don't, or people who 'hear' things? Same crap just different wordings.

Some people like the P2000 because they have small hands. I prefer USP45 than my USP9 because the USP45 fits me better than my P2000/ smaller USP.

Go pick one you shoot best, as reliability at 100% out of the box is just a given.

 

[Shipwreck]

If U like to keep the gun cocked and locked, or like a 1911 style safety - get the USP. Otherwise, the P2000 is a little more ergonomic, has a standard rail, and has replacable backstraps.

I got the USPc first. Now I want a P2000 - be aware that both the USPc and P2000 come in 2 different trigger styles. DA/SA or their new LEM

 

[10-Ring]

At this point, I have really grown to love the USPs - both full size & compact. IMO, HK hit a home run w/ that design. OTOH, I prefer the P2000sk.

 

[loplop]

Shoot 'em both. I liked the USPc until I shot both side by side, where the P2000 was the clear winner in my hands. I bought the P2000.

 

[Autolycus]

Customer service is now a moot point. It has improved drastically as of late due to the new facilities.

As far as the debate between the USPc and the P2000, thats personal preference. I prefer the P2000 with LEM trigger. However you may not. If you want to carry Cocked and Locked then your only choice is the USPc. However if you want DA/SA then go with either based on what feels better.

I recommend the P2000 as it has better ergonomics for most people, or so I have heard.

I went with the .40 simply because I figure I am only loosing 1 round in capacity but gained a little bit in the ballistics. Either way if you go with the P2000 the .40 is not snappy at all in this gun. HK designed the USP around the .40 and used the same recoil system in the P2000.

Have fun.

 

[nemoaz]

I've had both the USPc (with LEM) and P2000. Never noticed much of a difference, but I had the same type trigger on both. I think the current USPc's have rails. I would probably prefer a safety, but I don't get that option. Also had the P2000sk, which I didn't like at all because of the heavy, heavy slide, especially when compared to a baby Glock. The P2000sk wasn't really a subcompact that might ride on your ankle or in a pocket. It's more like something between the sizes of a subcompact (G27) and a compact (G23).

Have you fired an HK? The magazine release is TRULY annoying. And it simply doesn't work if you get one of those rubber grip thingies or perhaps you glove finger caught in the mag release lever. It makes me wonder if gunfights in Germany are never more than a few rounds. All of their magazine releases are in stupid places. I would never buy an HK USP or P2000 for that reason alone.

 

[loplop]

Have you fired an HK? The magazine release is TRULY annoying. And it simply doesn't work if you get one of those rubber grip thingies or perhaps you glove finger caught in the mag release lever. It makes me wonder if gunfights in Germany are never more than a few rounds. All of their magazine releases are in stupid places. I would never buy an HK USP or P2000 for that reason alone.

Interesting observation. I am only 2 or 3 weeks into my first HK, and I actually like it. I am finding no problems adapting from years of 1911-style-mag-release usage, but of course everyone's tolerance for change is different.

I use my trigger finger to drop the mag. I quite like that. Some doublestacks (like my SIG P220) require me to shift the gun a bit to hit the mag release, because my hand is probably slightly smaller than average. Not so with the Hk mag release.

one note: although the current USPc's have rails, you need a rail adapter to use them, whereas the P2000's rails are standard and need no adapters. Not a big deal, but I'm glad Hk switched over.

One thing I forgot to mention; although I like the function of the P2000 series better... I like the way the USP looks better!

 

[Shipwreck]

I disagree with the earlier comment. I have an HK and 3 P99s - I LOVE the mag release underneath the trigger guard. Use your trigger finger. It's great. On the traditional mag release, I have to adjust my grip to have my thumb reach the button. On the HK and Walther mag releases - I need not.

It's a preference, to be sure. It only takes a little while to adjust. After a time, you will prefer it. DON'T try to use your thumb, like you do with the traditional mag button.

 

[Edmond]

To me, the P2K has a smoother trigger than the USPc. The USPc DA trigger is pretty heavy and long, the P2K is as well but just a tad less, IMO. SA, both are excellent. The USPc can come with a safety if that's what you desire. Safeties aren't high on my list as I just keep my finger off the trigger.

In terms of ergonomics, YMMV, I find the P2K to be a little bit more comfortable. Recoil is the same to me.

The grip of the P2K seems to be a little easier on the hands as well. Both are excellent guns, you couldn't go wrong with either one. I just can't wait to see the P30 when that comes out.

 

[PPGMD]

Hmm can someone educate me on the P2000 variants, I can't seem to find a chart like the one for the USP.

Also the poster above said the P2000SK .40 is not as snappy as you would think, what would you compare the recoil to? For example I would say that the USP .40 Full Size has 25-50% of the recoil of the Glock 22.

 

[Edmond]

Either V1 or V2 is the LEM trigger. LEM=law enforcement modification. It's a DAO system similar to the Sig DAK system.

V3 is the DA/SA with decocker.

I didn't find the G27 recoil to be snappy at all. One gun that had some pretty harsh recoil to me was the Beretta PX4 Storm in .40. I could only stand putting 2 mags worth down range.

 

[1man]

USP(f&c, v1) all the way for me. I do like the way the P2000 feel, but HATE the decocker on it and will never aquire the LEM trigger or any thing like it!

 

[Shipwreck]

I didn't find the G27 recoil to be snappy at all. One gun that had some pretty harsh recoil to me was the Beretta PX4 Storm in .40. I could only stand putting 2 mags worth down range.

See, for me, I thought the opposite. I am not a 40 cal fan - but the PX4 storm was the first 40 cal I ever shot. I was amazed at the low recoil. I felt like I was shooting a 9mm.

 

[nemoaz]

I am finding no problems adapting from years of 1911-style-mag-release usage, but of course everyone's tolerance for change is different.

It's not a matter of "tolerance for change." I too started with DA revolvers, then shot SA 1911s, then a Smith 59, then a Beretta 92, then a 96, then a USPc, then a P2000sk, then a P2000.

During some of those periods, I have had multiple pistols. Don't get me wrong on this. I don't know if you've ever been in life threatening situations, but it's no time to be thinking "Is my magazine release in the same place as my Beretta (and every other pistol) or not?"

I can be trained to do anything, including use a holster with the annoying hood that you must flip forward before drawing. But my ability to adapt to an annoying feature like a hooded holster, heel magazine release on prior HKs or downward lever current HK magazine release doesn't make it more logical. They are all poor designs from people who obviously don't know much about quick reloads.

I know everyone is on Heckler's Koch, just as we all had to have Sigs in the 80s. More hype than fact... the HK emporer has no clothes in my opinion.

 

[daysleeprx]

The USPc was my favorite USP that I owned. The fullsizes ones never quite fit me right, but the grip on the compact was perfect.

 

[loplop]

I can be trained to do anything, including use a holster with the annoying hood that you must flip forward before drawing. But my ability to adapt to an annoying feature like a hooded holster, heel magazine release on prior HKs or downward lever current HK magazine release doesn't make it more logical. They are all poor designs from people who obviously don't know much about quick reloads.

While I agree with you on the HEEL release, which does not work out for me and seems needlessly difficult to operate, some folks find the heel release fine and I certainly wouldn't call it ridiculous. I also do not agree that the under-trigger guard mag release is a "poor design" from "people who obviously don't know much about quick reloads."

It might just be quicker... Once you're used to it. If you don't want to get used to it, that OK, too.

I do believe training and carrying one manual of arms is important. This is why I have sold and stopped carrying my 1911's (ok I kept one as a safe queen); because I made a conscious decision that I wanted to move to a TDA for carry. No sense carrying something that could be a liability to myself in a stressful situation (cocked and locked, will muscle memory remember to de-safe since I don't shoot them anymore?). I'm currently flipping between SIG and Hk trying to settle on my single manual of arms... Both designs have strengths, but neither are "poor" in my opinion.

Sorry the Hk design didn't work out for you... But to call it a poor design because you didn't like it is a bit narcissistic.

 

[whited]

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And it simply doesn't work if you get one of those rubber grip thingies or perhaps you glove finger caught in the mag release lever.

I must have done something wrong because I had a hand-all on my USP and
never had a problem with many, many thousands of rounds.



Sounds like you simply don't like H&K.. Which is fine, but let's not confuse
opinion with reality.

 

[flashman70]

I have had the P2000 in 9mm for some time and really like it. I got the v3 LEM trigger and lightened the trigger pull per instructions available over at HKPro. I just got the USPc v1 in .45 and also really like it. It is a very soft shooting .45 and I like the option of carrying DA/SA or condition 1. The P2000 has interchangeable backstraps so you can modify the pistol to best fit your hand.

Regarding the rails, as has been noted, the USP has HK's proprietary rail and the P2000 has the open ended, universal "Picatinny" rail.