H&R or Springfield Garand?

[dscottw88]

I'm going to purchase an M1 Garand soon, and have narrowed it down to a service grade rifle. I want something that looks good, and fires well. I only have one problem:

CMP has both Springfield and H&R rifles listed for $595 and I don't know which to choose from. I like the Springfield name and if quality of both are going to be the same than I would pick the springfield. But if for some reason the H&R garands weren't lent out and as a result have a higher quality than that of the Springfield, I have no problem choosing the H&R instead. Catch my drift?

1st: Basically, I want to know which one is more likely to be in a better condition, and side by side, which was known to be the more reliable one?

2nd: Do H&R's have a higher collecter value because less of them were made? And if so, will this stop me from taking my garand to the range frequently?

3rd: I'm assuming that it will probably just come down to the name, in which case I'd like to know who has which and why they chose that brand.

Thank you so much for all your info!

 

[Zouave Rifle]

The H&R is a more collectable rifle. Many folks with the H&R's shoot them just as much as the folks with the Springfields.

I've got the Springfield. It's just what the DCM sent me. Paid $250 and waited a year.

 

[dmftoy1]

I think it's the luck of the draw with either. (I'm pretty sure you'll have happy with whichever you get . .at least that's been my experience with CMP)

If "history" is important to you then I don't believe the H&R's were made during WWII so you're chances of getting a WWII receiver would be pretty slim. Since they're both shooters then I'd probably go with whichever tickles your fancy. When I ordered mine I wanted a WWII serial number because I was building a "shooter" collection of WWII rifles. (so far: Enfield No4 MK1, Garand, M1 Carbine, M44 Mosin, 91/30 Mosin, K98 Mauser. )

Have a good one,
Dave

 

[Nugilum]

Right now, the orders for Springfields are taking 50 to 65 days.

I was told by the people at the CMP that the H&Rs are moving out as the orders are being processed, but there's a back-order on the Springfields.

Remember, the H&Rs are Korea era Garands (1953-1956), not WWII.

dscottw88, try to get your order in ASAP. I was also informed that this could be the last large batch of Garands the CMP will have for a while.

 

[shootr]

FWIW, I think you need one of each!!

 

[paintballdude902]

is it just me or is the cmp headed the way of twa

i give the cmp less than 10 years before they stop selling rifles due to lack of supply

 

[Mr White]

I give them far less than that. There are only so many Garands and M1 Carbines around. They are becoming more and more sought after, so the supplies will be dwindling faster and faster.

 

[Ash]

Especially as the CMP is the number once choice of dealers.

Ash

 

[Nugilum]

That's what I fear. What's left for them to sell? M1903s and M1917s are pretty much gone from the military armories. The M1 and the M1 Carbine are almost depleted as well (even overseas). CMP has clearly stated that they will not sell M1911's. Everything after M1 and M1 Carbine has the option of Full-Auto (M14, M16, and M4) so will not be available to the general public.

Do they have anything that they could potentially sell that I haven't thought of?

 

[Guitargod1985]

Korea era Garands (1953-1956)

The Korean War began June 25, 1950 and an armistice was declared July 27, 1953.

 

[Gator]

But H&R made garands from 1953 to 1956, and I think thats what he was referring to.

 

[dmftoy1]

I think CMP will be around a bit longer than you think. I've heard Orest insinuate that there are a few big caches that they haven't tapped yet, but it is sort of a big unknown. I believe that they'll continue to operate in their capacity to support marksmanship, it's just hard to know when they'll run out of Mil-surps. I'm hoping to snag one of the 03's that come out next January if they're in 'shooter' condition.

 

[22/3006sniper]

whats CMP?

 

[dmftoy1]

Civilian Marksmanship Program - http://www.odcmp.com

Regards,
Dave

 

[P5 Guy]

Get the HRA and if you can afford it, get a correct grade. My correct grade is a great shooter and even better looking.

 

[nathan]

Mine is a HRA dated 54 on the barrel . Shoots like a well oiled Garand. MW 1. TE unknown. I already killed a hog using plainjane S Korean PS FMJ. Looking forward to bag a deer with it with my Schuster Adjsutable gas plug and WInchester 150 gr PP this Dec.

Id say go with the Springfield Armory if you are into WW 2 stuff. But if you are proud of our GIs holding off the waves of N Koreans and Chicoms in the DMZ and the Cold War years, then a HRA is as good as the Springfield s. That s my take and theres not a ounce of difference as long it shoots good and all things tight.

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[dscottw88]

what are the chances that I will even get a world war II era rifle if I do decide to go with the springfield, 1 in 5?

 

[Nugilum]

Luck of the draw my friend... luck of the draw.

My first one was January 1944. I will find out the date on my second one when it gets here.

Patience...



Patience...

:banghead:

 

[41magsnub]

My HRA will be here when it get here, if the CMP forums are to believed the order should go open next week with shipping shortly afterwards. I'm like a kid before Xmas right now.

 

[Guitargod1985]

But H&R made garands from 1953 to 1956, and I think thats what he was referring to.

Oh, gotcha.

 

[jpwilly]

My CMP M1 is a 1943 SA Milled trigger guard with lock bar rear sight. Also my SA 1903 rearsenaled in 42:

 

[BsChoy]

"Remember, the H&Rs are Korea era Garands (1953-1956), not WWII"

I have a cmp field grade greek return and its a 5.8 mil serial number and the reciever says its a springfield?? that serial number makes it a 1955 garand

 

[S4Lee]

CMP is currently showing Correct Grade SA Garands as only available in Serial Numbers 5.4-5.8M. Other than them being post-WWII models, is there any other reason one wouldn't want one in this serial number range?

A local shop is selling one w/ a SN (IIRC) of ~1.2M (1942) for about the same price as the CMP Correct Grade (SA & HR), but the stock is a little rough.

I'd like to pick one up, but I think I would like one that is in better condition than one with more 'historical' value, so I'm leaning towards a 'random' Correct Grade from CMP for the same price. What do you guys think? For those of you that bought Correct grades, what how was the condition of the stocks you recieved?

 

[Griff56]

CMP Springfield M1

Newbie here. Hope I am not intruding on the discussion. I just received a service grade M1 Garand from CMP. Other than the wood I would say that the rifle was first rate. It did need some cleaning and will be fitted with new walnut. I am wondering if I should get one of the laminated stocks? Don't plan on being a threat to anybody's standing in the Garand Matches. Always wanted one even after Uncle Sam gave me one to carry back in '58-'60.

Now I have to find something to feed it.

Hope it is ok that I joined inhere fellows.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

The H&Rs were made late, and have all the latest bells and whistles. Few of them saw service in Korea, and consequently may be in a bit better shape.

On the other hand, the Springfields do have that cachet.

For what it's worth, my Garand is an H&R made quite late.