H414 discontinued?

[hot chili powder]

Anyone hear if Hodgdons has stopped making H414? It's not listed in their small give-away load pamphlet, what up with that?

 

[ArchAngelCD]

H414 is W760 so I cant see Hodgdon discontinuing H414.

It is still listed on their Web Site so I wouldn't worry about a pamphlet.

 

[Doc Lambert]

MidwayUSA now lists it as "Discontinued".

 

[Bartojc]

I hope not. Even though I have a couple pounds on the shelf eventually I'd have to find a replacement.

-jeff

 

[Grumulkin]

Read above. H414 IS THE SAME AS W760. W760 has not been discontinued.

 

[Bfh_auto]

Read above. H414 IS THE SAME AS W760. W760 has not been discontinued.

That's good. W760 is one of my if all else fails....
I don't understand why the duplicate names have hung around this long. It doesn't make sense in a marketing standpoint.

 

[Mr. Zorg]

Yes, Hodgdon has stopped marketing H414 according to the answer I received August 6, 2020 after I sent an inquiry about this to Hodgdon.


"Hi -----,

It was confusing having both H414 and Winchester 760. So, yes H414 is obsolete effective this year. Continue to use and enjoy W760."

And this was the reply I received to my followup inquiry about H110 & W296.

"Yes, Winchester 296 and H110 are the same powder. Right now we are planning to continue to offer it under both names. The recent events have definitely affected the availability of powders.

Thank you

Luke Otte

Technical support

6430 vista dr.

Shawnee, Ks 66218"

I didn't ask about plans for HP38 & W231 but I've watched that material with respectively different labels and retail pricing move in & out of availability at Bass Pro Shops & Cabela's in the last several weeks so it appears both those labels are still being used for that material, for now anyway. The 1 lb container of W231 I ordered online arrived at my local Bass Pro Shop Tue, I plan to pick it up Wednesday afternoon.

Here's a list I found elsewhere on the internet from 9 years ago. The discontinued members at this point as far as I can determine are H414, W540, HS7, & W571. I don't think there's any disputes regarding the pairing of product labels still in use as load data for those that remain in use, plus H414, are identical in my copy of the 2020 Hodgdon annual publication, still available for purchase here as well as elsewhere.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022296214?pid=568553

HP38=W231

HS-6=W540

HS-7=W571

H110=W296

H414=W760

 

[Mr. Zorg]

FWIW Winchester 760 is available for online purchase at Bass Pro Shops and Cabela's ATM for $26.99 / 1lb container.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/winchester-760-smokeless-propellant-reloading-powder

Options are either free ship-to-store with no HazMat or shipping costs, or shipping to an address with a $20 HazMat fee with free shipping only available for orders $50+

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/promotions

 

[edwardware]

I don't understand why the duplicate names have hung around this long. It doesn't make sense in a marketing standpoint.

Actually it does; manufacturers do this all the time. Differential labeling draws in more consumers (like you exhibiting H414 brand loyalty), and let's each Brand (Hodgdon & Win) market a compete line of product.

There's a small cost to maintaining separate SKUs, but it's not high, and it's easy to measure the marginal profit of the second label. I guess Hodgdon's margin fell below cost due to rising consumer knowledge of the duplication.

 

[Bfh_auto]

Actually it does; manufacturers do this all the time. Differential labeling draws in more consumers (like you exhibiting H414 brand loyalty), and let's each Brand (Hodgdon & Win) market a compete line of product.

There's a small cost to maintaining separate SKUs, but it's not high, and it's easy to measure the marginal profit of the second label. I guess Hodgdon's margin fell below cost due to rising consumer knowledge of the duplication.

I see. Since I know they are the same. I just bought the cheaper one.

 

[Mr. Zorg]

As a new reloader I just bought which one was available - at all in these times. Looking back on the list of Hodgdon and Winchester powder equivalents outside of HS7 = W571 where the material for both labels ceased to be manufactured there's one Winchester label that ceased to be used, W540, while the Hodgdon equivalent HS6 is still used for the material being manufactured and one Hodgdon label retired, H414, while the Winchester equivalent W760 is still used for the material being manufactured. To me it shows no "playing favorites" in selecting whether a Hodgdon label or a Winchester lable ceases to be used, thus far anyway.