Had A Less Than Wonderful Experience At Sportsmans Warehouse

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Wyocarp have I seen you on TFL? I was using the back pack because I was on my way home from school & this wasn't a planned outing. I'm really don't like open carry I don't like the attention it draws ( I just go for dropping my pistol on the floor when I want to get noticed ) I don't have a case ( I suppose I should) but I still don't think I did anything wrong remember I said I did the same thing at the local gun shop W/ the weapon loaded I might add and they didn't bat an eye I would think if I was acting a fool THEY would have said something
 
Interesting...

I bought a Bianchi leather holster for my SP101 at SW in Littleton a couple of weeks ago, when I stepped up to the service desk (not the registers but the desk in the front) to pay I asked the young lady if I could return the holster should I be unhappy with it. I was told “sure... but you know you can bring your gun in to check the fit if you want, just bring it in unloaded and show it to us up here first”

I didn't like the way the holster felt, and wanted to get my $70 back so I off to SW I went for a return. I set the holster on the counter and presented my receipt, the young lady (different clerk) was unsure, she called back to the gun department for approval and while we were waiting she said “you know, you could have brought your unloaded gun in the store to check the fit”

I kinda like SW, they have great prices and some stuff thats hard to find around here. I just wish they stocked more SD ammo and a few black rifles.

I will say the old guys at the gun counter generally act like they're doing me a favor, but I can get past that.
 
To Daniel Flory

Daniel,
My apollogies I got your post and another post mixed up. As to why I BOLD I am posting from a PDA & I don't have Italics. I'm not shouting.

I actually DID expect the CSR to take the gun and recheck it. Their policy says that all weapons are to be unloaded & checked at customer service, so that's what I did. From what I saw they checked the serial number, but I'm not sure why.

As to why I picked up the holster I did, like I said no place here seems to stock CZ acessories. The holster I ended up W/ was for a Sig-Sauer p226 ( actually the package says it fits SEVERAL different models) that's what I got because that's what was available & it is a good fit.

As to the unsafe gunhandling dropping the gun out of my pack was BAD NEWS mea culpa. But as I stated earlier I don't think my initial presentation was unsafe. The store has a posted firearms policy. that tells me they expect to see firearms in the store it shouldn't be some weird experience for them. When I handed the gun over I told them what I was doing ,pause. Opened the pack so they could see the gun , pause. Then took the gun out and handed it to them.

At that point I mentioned that it might be nice if they added one line to their policy " Does not apply to CCW" THATS when things got weird.

Bottom Line I don't think I did anything wrong, or unsafe. ( other than the gun drop).

Ultimately it's MY MONEY I've never had a good experience W/ that store & I have decided based on that to take my business elsewhere

THAT is the whole point of my OP.

Again sorry for the mis-understanding

Treo
 
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Sorry to hear about your experience. Glad you found one that met you criteria. I am a lefty and no one around here stocks any good left handed holsters. I have to order all my holsters online. I wish I could just buy one at a local shop.
 
I actually DID expect the CSR to take the gun and recheck it. Their policy says that all weapons are to be unloaded & checked at customer service, so that's what I did. From what I saw they checked the serial number, but I'm not sure why.

Okay, that was my point. She probably gave you that blank stare because she had absolutely no desire to handle your gun. The girl behind the counter probably makes maybe $7-8/hour and works at SW because she likes outdoor sports, not because she is a gun expert. I'm guessing that she had absolutely no clue how to even operate your CZ to check it, so that's why she gave you the confused look. Next time just lay it on the counter and let her tie the tag around it. Also, they probably write down the serial number to make sure it doesn't get swapped somehow with a similar model. Remote possiblity I know, but there certainly isn't any vast conspiracy to snag your S/N.

You're right, their sign needs to be modified! And I'm glad that you found a decent holster for carry; there are finally some good choices for CZ-75s these days.
 
QUOTE: " I'm guessing that she had absolutely no clue how to even operate your CZ to check it, so that's why she gave you the confused look."

The sign says all fire arms & magazines must be unloaded and checked in at customer service.

That was the issue I brought up in the first thread because taken at face value ( to me) that sign doesn't allow concealed carry in the store & that's why I asked them to add the caveat.

On the topic at hand , maybe you're right , maybe I mis-understood I ASSUMED that what they were checking was the unloaded condition of the firearm. Which IMO even a completly inexperienced person should be able to do when the slide is locked to the rear. Somebody said earlier that they've probably had people walk in there W/ "unloaded" guns that weren't but I'm thinking that would be IMPOSSIBLE in the condition I was carrying in .

Next time just lay it on the counter and let her tie the tag around it.

Sorry there's not going to be a next time.

PS I looked at USGALCO.COM last night and they don't make a Summer Comfort specifically for the CZ75B.
 
The sign says all fire arms & magazines must be unloaded and checked in at customer service.

That was the issue I brought up in the first thread because taken at face value ( to me) that sign doesn't allow concealed carry in the store & that's why I asked them to add the caveat.

On the topic at hand , maybe you're right , maybe I mis-understood I ASSUMED that what they were checking was the unloaded condition of the firearm. Which IMO even a completly inexperienced person should be able to do when the slide is locked to the rear. Somebody said earlier that they've probably had people walk in there W/ "unloaded" guns that weren't but I'm thinking that would be IMPOSSIBLE in the condition I was carrying in .

I've been a lot of big outdoors retailers like SW, Cabelas, Bass Pro, GM, etc. and I have never seen or heard of a customer service person actually handle the firearm to clear it. They usually just put a tag on it and send you on your way. Even at gunshows with police at the door I've never had them handle my gun to check it.

Sorry there's not going to be a next time.

+1 for capitalism.

PS I looked at USGALCO.COM last night and they don't make a Summer Comfort specifically for the CZ75B.

They make the Royal Guard, which is a better version of the Summer Comfort. Which incidentally, are both ripped off of the Sparks SS.
 
Just bring it home.
You think they'll let me do that without buying if first? What if I'd really rather not have to make two trips to the same store (to return it and get a refund, if necessary) just to wind up with nothing for my trouble?

Then you can try it with various pieces of your wardrobe and move around with it.
If it doesn't fit my gun the way I want it to, my wardrobe is irrelevant.
 
This is one of the reasons why I support my local shop. Fortunately, their prices are also very competetive.
 
You think they'll let me do that without buying if first? What if I'd really rather not have to make two trips to the same store (to return it and get a refund, if necessary) just to wind up with nothing for my trouble?

So you guys must bring in your guns every time you buy an accessory for it? Want an ACOG? Bring in your AR just to make sure you like the eye relief. Want to make sure that new sling is comfortable on your rifle, bring in your rifle to the store. Want a Magpul stock? Why not have the shop mount it on your AR just to make sure? Or you could accept the fact that you may actually have to return items while shopping.

If it doesn't fit my gun the way I want it to, my wardrobe is irrelevant.

Buy a holster that is made for your gun. Buy from a higher end maker if you want better fit. It isn't rocket science.
 
I can't speak to the AR questions
but I thought I mentioned that the weapon I had was my CARRY weapon, so wouldn't it be normal that I would be carrying it?

And as has been said a couple of times in this thread SW pretty much EXPECTS you to bring your weapon in so why not?
 
So you guys must bring in your guns every time you buy an accessory for it?
No. Just the one where "fit" is a somewhat subjective assessment, and on which my life might at some point depend.

<<silly comparisons with simple snap-on attachments ignored>>

Or you could accept the fact that you may actually have to return items while shopping.
If store policy allows me to bring in my gun then there is no such fact for me to accept in this case. If I can do that and avoid the extra trip, then not doing so would just be stupid, not to put too fine a point on it.

Buy a holster that is made for your gun.
Unless no such exact-match holster is currently made for my gun in the style I want. But there may be something that works anyway, and that I could try out.

Buy from a higher end maker if you want better fit.
"Higher-end" doesn't automatically mean "better fit".

It isn't rocket science.
And you're in no danger of being confused with a rocket scientist.
 
Treo...

There are a bunch of perspectives on this sort of subject so take this for what it's worth:

It's all about everyone coming up to speed on the nature of the interaction quickly and with minimal uncertainty.

Gun stores are used to people bringing in guns in all sorts of ways. All sorts of people who inherrit or otherwise aquire a gun they know nothing about head to the local gun shop. They don't know about cases, they don't know about unloading, they don't know the four rules. They put the guns in paper bags, they carry them in their hands, they have them in their pockets...loaded, unloaded... they don't know. If you can think of it the folks at your typical gun store have probably seen it... and that body of experience means they can come up to speed on the nature of their interaction with you very quickly.

Sporting goods stores, even SW, really don't see all that many guns. They also have higher employee turnover and more employees that have never worked the gun counter. That lack of experience means that they'll have a harder time coming up to speed on the nature of the interaction. All that time creates uncertainty and allows them to leap to undesirable conclusions. Conclusions which, even after they've been discarded, still influence the rest of the interaction.

That's why the same action on your part can cause such a different impression on the people at the stores. It's not you, it's them.

Here's the reality though: it's up to you, as the guy with the gun, to be aware of the problem and to take steps to make the experience as identifiable, familiar, and normal as possible for the people you interact with.

To me, the gun I'm carrying is the gun I'm carrying, not the gun I'm using as a shopping aid. I can afford to take that stance because I have two guns. That "excess" allows me to carry normally with whichever I've chosen as my carry gun and to put the non-carry gun into a standard pistol case, with the slide locked back, and go to the store in a way that is easily recognized and understood by whoever may be working the counter/front desk. By preference I would use familiar types of packaging (gun case, retail box, etc) and I wouldn't even hint at the presence of any complicating factors (such as ammo or a second gun). Simple, easy to understand, hard to misinterpret.

It sounds like you created a scenario that was too complicated for the person you were interacting with to quickly identify and accept. That caused uncertainty and created a bad initial impression which colored the rest of the interaction. You take the same scenario to someone with more experience and they instantly recognize what you are doing, have no uncertainty about it, and you don't create the bad impression and have a much better interaction.

That's just the nature of communication.

Don't disregard the fact that people also have bad days. I've had bad customer experiences in all sorts of stores. Electronics, computer, book, etc... bad enough that managers came over and, in one case, the clerk was fired on the spot. If they can get that worked up over someone trying to buy a shirt you should't be too surprised at how worked up they get when they are uncertain and scared.

Also... does your pda give you easy access to [, ], and /? If so you can do bold, italic, underline, and so on with "[ b ] bold [ / b ]" (without all the spaces), "[ i ] italic [ / i ]" (again without the spaces) and u for underline.
 
All in where you live

The sign at the entrance to Sportsmans Warehouse in Missoula, MT says something like this:

All long guns and shotguns must be unloaded and have the action open and be checked at front counter.

If you intend to remove your pistol from it’s holster, unload it outside and have the action open when interring the store.

My kind of place,
Willis
 
My PDA ( Palm Centro)

Also... does your pda give you easy access to [, ], and /? If so you can do bold, italic, underline, and so on with "[ b ] bold [ / b ]" (without all the spaces), "[ i ] italic [ / i ]" (again without the spaces) and u for underline.

Ed,

I tried it totally doesn't work on my PDA
 
Ahh... I should point out... it'll look to you like [ b ] words [ / b ] (without all the spaces) before you submit the message, but it'll look to us (and you, after you submit) lke words.

Or maybe it just totally doesn't work. :) I'm not familiar with every quirk of every PDA.
 
I cant get to that screen on my PDA
Then you have the only PDA on the planet that doesn't allow punctuation and other symbols. I'd take it back and get a refund.
 
My PDA does allow punctuation and symbols but it doesnt have WORD on it and it won't Italicize
 
My PDA does allow punctuation and symbols but it doesnt have WORD on it and it won't Italicize
You don't need word. Just the punctuation symbols he was telling you about ('[', ']' and '/'). You use them to create control sequences that will cause the THR application to display text bolded, italicized, etc. For instance, if you type the following without the spaces inside the square brackets:

[ B ]Some text[ /B ]

It will appear here as:

Some text
 
I think you just made an easy thing like buying a holster hard on yourself. If you had purchased the holster online would you have sent them the gun? Most holster manufacturers will tell you what gun will fit in a particular holster. After you buy it you can always return it if you don't like it. Sorry but dropping your gun in the store, well...
 
I think you just made an easy thing like buying a holster hard on yourself.
I agree. Like Ed Ames' perspective as well.

Gotta let go of this animosity towards Sportsmen's Warehouse, too ...
 
Your post makes me glad I mainly deal with online retailers. As long as you know what you want, it works out super.

But yeah, for selling firearms, SW by and large seem pretty ignorant of them.
 
The SW I go to has never ? me about a sidearm.

Some of the people that work there are dedicated to areas of the store.

They can and will special order a firearm of my choice. Don't know about other items.

As for not takeing my firearm in for fit. I will not leave my firearm in my truck/car for nobody.

Highend holsters are not always the answer. I have a couple of cheap holsters that fit me better than some of the other highends I have tried. I don't want to have to buy 10 holsters to find 1 that I like.

I went out shooting today and had to stop at the store on my way home. Had a couple of people look at the pistol on my side but that was about it. The people around here a used to seeing guns and it's just like another piece of clothing to them.

So the more we utilize the right to open carry in our own areas the easier others will come to accept it. I know a couple people that don't own guns but don't care that I have one on my side.

Next time in SW now that you know how the person is that you have to check with you will have a better knowladge of how to approch them.

Don't give up on one bad day that you had.
 
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