Haenel bargain double rifle

[Dave DeLaurant]

I'm going to be sensible and let this one pass, but for those wanting an affordable double rifle who don't haunt Simpson's website this is a rare offering. In the double rifle world $2K is chump change -- it will probably be gone in no time!

BTW, I believe this model is less than 10 years old.

CG-HAENEL GMBH JAEGER 8.10 - Z62238

Firearms for the Finest Collectors

simpsonltd.com

 

[DM~]

It says it's "JS", if so, it's not a rimmed cartridge, personally I wouldn't want it... Also, it's single trigger, another mark against it, no thanks for sure...

DM

 

[WestKentucky]

I don’t understand the o/u setup. It’s a shotgun classic from far enough back, but in rifles it seems more modern, and if a person is going more modern it seems like a bolt rifle makes more sense in all ways.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Well, to my mind, the double rifle is two single shot rifles mated together. 2 barrels, 2 actions, 2 triggers. It would be a very unlucky day that thus combination would not produce 2 reliable shots and an exceedingly unlucky day it would only produce one or none. This, of course, presumes the actions in question are of the highest reliability to begin with.

Even though I agree it seems to be a good deal, I would be uninterested as well for the same reasons DM is.

 

[unspellable]

Automatic safety, out of place on a rifle.

 

[unspellable]

It says it's "JS", if so, it's not a rimmed cartridge, personally I wouldn't want it... Also, it's single trigger, another mark against it, no thanks for sure...

DM

Haenel's website says 8x57 rimmed. I'd want to clarify if the specimen at hand is rimmed or rimless.

 

[Jim Watson]

Where on Haenel's www? I don't see it.
AmmoTerra says it is not just an automatic safety, it is really a cocking slide. I have seen those mentioned on other European guns, I wonder what the effort to cock is.

They show it in various calibers some rimmed, some rimless. I think the gimmick rimless extractors are good enough for non-dangerous game.

 

[SunnySlopes]

When I hear of double rifles I think of a Peter Hathaway Capstick (Maneaters, Peterson, 1981) going into some remote village in India to dispatch a man eating tiger. He carries a double so that he has two shots with zero lag time. Guys like him often track dangerous game in tall grass (another of his books: Death In The Tall Grass) and when the action erupts, milliseconds count.​

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I can't envision myself in that scenario hence, would have no need for a double rifle. But, if someone wanted to gift me a genuine Holland and Holland Sidelock, I wouldn't say no. PM me for shipping info.​

 

[Jim Watson]

An Anglophile friend splurged on a Webley .450 BPE as an occasional woods hunting rifle and heavy centerfire plinker. Nowhere near as powerful as the Nitro Express, it is still a kicker. A "pair and a half" is enough fun for me.

I was once sorely tempted by advertisements for Manton doubles in .32-40 WCF! But instead I bought a Winchester in .38-55 which I could actually use in CAS and BPCR competition.

 

[Hookeye]

If going OU, the Browning Continentals were lookers (IMHO).
Offered in either .30-06 or .270 IIRC

 

[DM~]

Where on Haenel's www? I don't see it.
AmmoTerra says it is not just an automatic safety, it is really a cocking slide. I have seen those mentioned on other European guns, I wonder what the effort to cock is.

They show it in various calibers some rimmed, some rimless. I think the gimmick rimless extractors are good enough for non-dangerous game.

I owned a Krieghoff that had the "cocking slide" and it did of course take more effort than a sliding safety, but it wasn't a big deal and could easily be gotten used to. Actually, I like the idea.

The REAL question is, if you fire one bbl. and then open the action to reload THAT bbl., does the gun "de-cock" itself when you opened the action? Some do, like the Blaser, and IMO they aren't good for anything but a tomato stake!

I wouldn't want a rimless round or a single trigger on a double, so it's a no-go for me anyway! Don't want an auto safety either.

A "properly" configured DR that fits you, is the ultimate DG rifle!

DM

 

[DM~]

If going OU, the Browning Continentals were lookers (IMHO).
Offered in either .30-06 or .270 IIRC

Too bad Browning had no idea on how to properly regulate them, and those "lookers" were so poorly regulated.

DM

 

[Dave DeLaurant]

Where on Haenel's www? I don't see it.

Home – C.G. Haenel

Innovative rifle concepts: C.G. Haenel has been a specialist in firearms since 1840 - for hunting, sport shooters and authorities.

www.cg-haenel.de

 

[Jim Watson]

Got that, no double in view.

 

[luv2safari]

Too bad Browning had no idea on how to properly regulate them, and those "lookers" were so poorly regulated.

DM

Got that right, DM!

They didn't make them easy to correct, either.

Lost are the old German masters who spent hours regulating a combination gun like your grand Kreighoff. I believe yours is from the mid 1930's, during the pinnacle of the quality combination guns. The steels were more modern, equipment more refined, and a sense of national pride was reflected in their overall quality.

 

[earlthegoat2]

If going OU, the Browning Continentals were lookers (IMHO).
Offered in either .30-06 or .270 IIRC

I don’t know if the Winchester Grand Europeans were the same gun or not but they also have a bad reputation for barrel regulation. Over 6” off at 50 yds In most cases.

 

[luv2safari]

Steer completely away from the Winchesters. They can't be re-regulated and are notorious for their poor factory regulation. The Japanese "manufacture" They don't "craft".

The Brownings are Belgian guns and an embarrassment, IMO.

I owned a Krieghoff that had the "cocking slide" and it did of course take more effort than a sliding safety, but it wasn't a big deal and could easily be gotten used to. Actually, I like the idea.

The REAL question is, if you fire one bbl. and then open the action to reload THAT bbl., does the gun "de-cock" itself when you opened the action? Some do, like the Blaser, and IMO they aren't good for anything but a tomato stake!

I wouldn't want a rimless round or a single trigger on a double, so it's a no-go for me anyway! Don't want an auto safety either.

A "properly" configured DR that fits you, is the ultimate DG rifle!

DM

LOL...the Blasers also have the look and feel of a jackhammer, and they're inordinately expensive. Kreighoff definitely rules the combination gun world. I particularly like their Combi-Cocker system.

https://www.krieghoff.de/en/hunting-arms/engineering/