Hamline University Student Suspended After Advocating Concealed Carry

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Hamline University Student Suspended After Advocating Concealed Carry for Students

School Orders Psychological Evaluation


October 10, 2007

FIRE Press Release

ST. PAUL, Minn., October 10, 2007—Hamline University has suspended a student after he sent an e-mail suggesting that the Virginia Tech massacre might have been stopped if students had been allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus. Student Troy Scheffler is now required to undergo a mandatory “mental health evaluation” before being allowed to return to school. Scheffler, who was suspended without due process just two days after sending the e-mail, has turned to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) for help.

“Hamline’s punishment of Troy Scheffler is severe, unfair, and apparently unwarranted,” FIRE President Greg Lukianoff said. “Peacefully advocating for students’ ability to carry a concealed weapon as a response to the Virginia Tech shootings may be controversial, but it simply does not justify ordering a mandatory psychological evaluation.”

On April 17, 2007, Hamline’s Vice President of Student Affairs, David Stern, sent an e-mail to the campus community offering extra counseling for Hamline students in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings. Later that day, Scheffler responded directly to Stern, arguing that Virginia Tech’s ban on concealed weapons was part of the problem and advocating that Hamline eliminate its similar policies. Scheffler also wrote that the university’s diversity programs may have angered some in the student body, himself included.

On April 19, 2007, Hamline University President Linda Hanson e-mailed the campus community again to address the tragedy at Virginia Tech. Scheffler responded directly to Hanson and again criticized the university’s concealed weapons ban, academic standards, financial policies, and the university’s efforts to promote diversity.

Hanson replied to Scheffler on Friday, April 20, offering him a chance to meet with university personnel to discuss his views the following week. Yet on Monday, April 23, before Scheffler was even able to respond to Hanson’s invitation, he received a hand-delivered letter from Dean of Students Alan Sickbert notifying him that his e-mails to Stern and Hanson were “deemed to be threatening and thus an alleged violation of the Hamline University Judicial Code.”

Sickbert’s letter also informed Scheffler that he was being placed on immediate “interim suspension” that could not be lifted unless he agreed to a “mental health evaluation” by a licensed mental health professional.

FIRE wrote to President Hanson on May 29, 2007, vehemently opposing the sanctions against Scheffler, since neither of Scheffler’s e-mails even came close to meeting the legal definition of a “threat.” FIRE also pointed out that Hamline maintains a “Freedom of Expression and Inquiry” policy that encourages the public expression of opinions and the freedom to examine and discuss all questions of interest. FIRE wrote that “it is difficult to reconcile these admirable commitments to freedom of expression with Hamline’s hasty actions against Scheffler.”

FIRE also informed Hamline administrators that subjecting Scheffler to a mandatory psychological evaluation poses a grave threat to liberty at Hamline. FIRE wrote, “A psychological evaluation, to be overseen by a Hamline administrator, is one of the most invasive and disturbing intrusions upon Scheffler’s individual right to private conscience imaginable. Because Scheffler has shown no proclivity toward violence and has made no threatening comments, this psychological evaluation seeks to assess his political opinions….”

Hanson responded to FIRE on June 11, 2007, claiming that there were several reasons for Scheffler’s suspension, including the e-mails, his failure to meet with administrators when invited, and “critical input from various members of the Hamline community.” FIRE addressed each of those claims in another letter to Hanson on September 17, 2007. Not only did FIRE reiterate that Scheffler’s e-mails were not threats, but it also pointed out that Scheffler was given less than one full business day before his suspension to respond to the invitation from school officials to discuss his views. FIRE also noted that the alleged information from “various members of the Hamline community,” which supposedly played a role in determining Scheffler’s sanctions, had not even been revealed to Scheffler himself, denying him the right to defend himself or present his side of the story. In a September 28, 2007, response, Hamline’s attorneys refused to address FIRE’s concerns that Scheffler has been denied his due process rights.

“How can Scheffler hope to defend himself when Hamline refuses even to tell him what he is accused of doing?” FIRE Vice President Robert Shibley asked. “Hamline’s policies promise freedom of expression and basic due process to its students, but this case brings the sincerity of those promises into serious question. FIRE calls on President Hanson to either admit that the suspension and order for a ‘mental health evaluation’ had no justifiable basis or give Scheffler all the information he needs to respond to the charges against him.”

FIRE is a nonprofit educational foundation that unites civil rights and civil liberties leaders, scholars, journalists, and public intellectuals from across the political and ideological spectrum on behalf of individual rights, due process, freedom of expression, academic freedom, and rights of conscience at our nation’s colleges and universities. FIRE’s efforts to preserve liberty across America can be viewed at thefire.org.

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Universities and colleges are all about tolerance and diversity.


Until you advocate for the use of the very tool which guarantees equality. Then they think you're a lunatic. Go figure.
 
You know, I recently got a pro-CCW letter to the editor published in my university's newspaper. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones going to a university with some small amount of common sense.
 
still stand by my thoughts that this man is nothing more than a bigot who is looking to carry a firearm.

"In fact, three out of three students just in my class that are 'minorities' are planning on returning to Africa and all three are getting a free education on my dollar," Scheffler wrote with thinly veiled ire. "Please stop alienating the students who are working hard every day to pay their tuition. Maybe you can instruct your staff on sensitivity towards us 'privileged white folk.'"

That's a racist statement? Bigoted? Or is the point totally lost here?

I knew a guy I worked in security with. he went to fire college, since he wanted to be a fireman. When he tried to find a job, he was bumped by lesser qualified people due to race quotas. Same thing for some people trying to become police offiers. Since when is it racist or bigoted to point that out? If I don't get a job because of the color of my skin, saying that makes me a racist?
 
hmmmmm

I dont find him to be racist.. Quite a few people see the Reverse Racism from so called Diversity plans as evil. This isn't racist. And if there are three minority students going to school for free, on his dime, he can complain about that as well. I complain when any student is there on my dime.

This is simply a hysterical campus denying him his free speech. Nothing I read had a threatening tone to it.

He has been treated differently due to his beliefs and isn't that the true ism here?
 
You don't see the so-called liberal advocates of free speech standing up for this guy.

Even if he is totally wrong and offering utterly worthless ideas, he still has the right to do so. Unless he's advocating breaking laws currently in place, NO ONE has the right to persecute him.
 
There we go...send pro-firearms people off for psychological assessments. The next short step is to have the college's own personnel do the eval and declare him a danger to himself and others. Bingo...no more worries of him owning firearms.

Educational institutions have far too much legal power. No other organization has the extraordinary extent of legislated control, and detailing of the what-can-be-done and what cannot. Too, in those cases where there is a lack of legal clarity, the courts almost always fall to the side of the school claiming "...a need to maintain control." Unfortunately in this case, and others like it, the institution's legal controlling authority is in direct conflict with the student's civil and Constitutional rights.
 
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Just a reminder from the "Changes at THR" thread: Legal forum is now for legal issues only. When giving advice, please endeavor to provide links or references to original documents, laws and other relevant resources. Please keep the topics related to guns and RKBA.

Please keep this thread related to the legal issues as well as related to guns and RKBA.
 
See, I posted this because I'm curious about something.

Remember when a certain jewellery chain-store recently banned their patrons from carrying firearms in their stores? A number of people, myself included, didn't like their decision but grudgingly admitted that, as it was their property, they were entitled to make that decision - and it was equally our choice to stay away from that store.

What about a college? Leaving aside the whole freedom-of-speech issue, I'm curious to hear whether you fellows think that the college concerned has the right to ban firearms seeing as it's their property. No attacks, please - I don't like it any more than you, but I'm curious as to whether anyone here believes that the university indeed has this right, and what the law says about this issue.
 
I would imagine that it depends on whether or not the college or university in question accepts public funds or not. If it doesn't then I suppose it could have a rule restricting its student and faculty from carrying firearms on threat of suspension or termination. It could of course also have a rule about visitors to their institution carrying as well and if they ascertain that a visitor is carrying said firearm then they could politely ask them to leave.

However, if they accept Federal or State funds then all bets are off, it is then a public institution funded by my tax dollars and such cannot unilaterally restrict my second amendment rights. (Current law in that State permitting. --> This should not be true but is our current reality.)

Remember when a certain jewellery chain-store recently banned their patrons from carrying firearms in their stores? A number of people, myself included, didn't like their decision but grudgingly admitted that, as it was their property, they were entitled to make that decision - and it was equally our choice to stay away from that store.

I agree with sentiment, however in Florida at least this has no legal consequence so I can ignore any weird policies such as this but I tend to stay away from places with large no guns allowed signs as a common sense measure. I mean does it make any sense to hang around a business where the owners are advertising the vulnerability of their patrons? Talk about baiting for criminals.......
 
Ah, I didn't know about public vs. private funding - that puts a new twist on it for me (I'm a foreigner). Thanks for the info :)
 
"I still stand by my thoughts that this man is nothing more than a bigot who is looking to carry a firearm. I do agree that he has the right to carry but he is at a private university and he should have to obey their rules as it is not a public institution."

Well, I don't see any bigotry here. IMO, affirmative action-type programs are reverse discrimination.

Also, T, he didn't break any of their rules, unless they have one about expressing your opinion. His suspension is nowhere near justified, nor is requiring him to have a mental health evaluation.

He should sue their brains out.
 
He should sue their brains out.

For what? What specific cause of action?

After reading his letters, I didn't think a psych exam was warranted (maybe a remedial writing class), but maybe they have some information that I don't have. Anyway, it is very likely that the University has procedures for dismissing and suspending students and I will assume they are following them. Suing might not be as easy as you think, nor is there any guarantee for success.
 
It is clear from reading the original post that the original heading of this thread is misleading. Troy Scheffler was not suspended for advocating concealed carry for students. Scheffler was apparently very vocal on several topics. Claiming that he was suspected because of his concealed carry statements is misleading. There is no direct indication here that this was the case at all. FIRE may claim it to be true, but they also note several critical comments by Scheffler.

I cant say I blame them, I myself am tired of having to pay my own extremely overpriced tuition to make up for minorities not paying theirs.

What a maroon. He is going to a private college by his own choice and complaining that he is paying to much money and blaming it on minorities. That does sound rather bigoted, especially given that he could afford to go to school elsewhere.

It is almost funny that he doesn't understand the leftist no-gun policies of his school. It is a freaking liberal arts school, for crying out loud. Why would you attend and expensive school that has policies in place you dislike that much?
 
I have to side with the "This guy is just a freaking bonehead" crowd on this one.

No matter how you slice it, when you combine the tone of his letters towards minorities with his comments about being armed, you get a personality that no school administrator in his right mind (in this day and age) is going to turn a blind eye to.

It's a private school, they're within their rights to say "hey, we think you just might be a nutjob". Whether or not that's "fair and right" under the strictest interpretations of the students freedom to advocate unpopular points of view is immaterial to the school, as once they are aware of the guy, their liability should he go around the bend goes through the roof.

At a public school I might have a slightly different take on it, but at a private institution, there's no way one students tuition is worth the exposure, Id have tossed him too.
 
Student Troy Scheffler is now required to undergo a mandatory “mental health evaluation” before being allowed to return to school.
Uh oh, there go his gun rights. Have they tried the ACLU?
 
One of the problems of quite a few gun rights folks is that they have a tendency to mix messages. Gun rights matters might get more traction in such circles if that message weren't perceived as "right wing agenda" (More below.)

While the administration's response is reprehensible, it often appears "this kinda person" ends up in such situations.

Gunrights folks should learn not to taint their pro-gun stance with other tangentially related (or even wholly unrelated) matters. It's really not too logical to send a letter discussing CCW policies with "...oh by the way, you do XXX and also YYY sucks and...". At best it dilutes the pro-gun message, at worse it add inappropriate color to it so that in the future gun concerns are lumped in by the unknowning with other perceptions.

Speaking on a grander scale, we need friends on the other side of the aisle and the above 'mixed message' concepts don't help that situation because the perception by pols is that the gun owner votes 'right wing' instead of 'pro gun', making gun issue somewhat irrelevant to that politician.

[For the record, I'm a conservative w/a small-L libertarian bent in CA. I see the damage "pro life" stances by legislators have done to gun rights in California - soon spreading to you, though we're fighting hard! - by essentially rendering such politicians - who generally have a pro-gun stance - unelectable to statewide office. This causes fairly conservative middle-of-road suburban homeowners, a group Republicans should 'own', to vote against Repubs in droves since CA Repub primary politics are driven by Orange County pro-life mindset. Gun sentiments (in either direction, ranked consistently as 6th-8th) are far, far down the list of concerns of moderate/swing voters when compared to 'pro-choice' sentiments (which constantly ranks in the first 2 or 3 concerns of such voters). Thus, avowedly CA "pro-life" Republicans must effectively be regarded as antigun because they create political losers that can't get statewide traction and who will only rise to local legislative seats in 'protected' areas. The CA R's message is reprehensible enough that such CA suburban swing voters are willing to pay (thru higher taxes) by voting against their financial self-interest.]







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If I were him, I'd withdraw from the school. No way I'm submitting to a mental health eval because of my views on guns. Guns, bigotry, reverse discrimination, are heated topics, but none require psych testing.
 
Ah, the university, where freedom of thought and the freedom to discuss any opinion lead to such great enlightenment.

May he sue their pants off, and win enough to impoverish their endowment.

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If I were him, I'd withdraw from the school. No way I'm submitting to a mental health eval because of my views on guns. Guns, bigotry, reverse discrimination, are heated topics, but none require psych testing.

Exactly.


Colleges ARE NOT bastions of free speech.
 
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