Handgun vs Long gun for Home Defense - a discussion starter

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Home Defense: Handgun or Long Gun?
By Dave Jenkins
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For whatever reason - crime, predatory animals, anything - you have decided to look for a firearm to add to your home defense plan. OK. You’ve thought it through and now you have to go get it. Where do you go? What should you look for? What is the best choice – shotgun, rifle, handgun? How will you store it at home? Who will use it? If you are not familiar with the firearm, where will you go to learn? These are just some of the many questions that you will undoubtedly ask yourself. Let’s explore the details (and there are a lot of them!) and see if you can make an educated choice after reading this today.

First, you should start with some determining factors that will be very important in making your choice. The most important factor is your location. Do you live in the country where there are no neighbors close by, or do you live in the city where the houses are practically on top of each other? If you live in the city, are you in a house or in an apartment building with neighbors above, below, and to the sides? Does your home have wood sheathing and vinyl siding, or are your walls brick? You need to consider the fact that a bullet or slug can travel great distances if it does not have an adequate backstop. Your average handgun round can penetrate at least a couple of walls and exit your home. This risk is higher with a shotgun slug or even a medium caliber rifle round. You should designate some “safe zones” or “no shoot zones” for your house so you won’t put innocents at risk when you have to discharge a round.

Next important is the legal detail. What firearm are you legally able to possess where you live? Who can possess it? A lot of municipalities have enacted limits on the firearm type, size, capacity, etc. that you are allowed to own or keep in your home. Another legal issue is a permit or a license. Most states in the U.S. have a permit system for handguns. Some are easier to get, some are not. I would advise checking your local laws as part of your search.

Experience is an important factor as well. If you or your family are unfamiliar with firearms, you may want to choose something simple to operate and shoot. If you have to figure out the controls, rather than just pointing the firearm and shooting it, you will be confused or stressed even more than you should be. Educate your family and yourself by taking a firearms/home safety course. This will help you understand and be more comfortable with your choice.

Now you have to consider the other people in your home. Children, spouses, etc. all have different body sizes and types. Someone else in the house may not be able to handle what you can handle. A female will generally have less strength than a male and may have trouble operating a slide on a semi-auto or even pulling the trigger on a double action revolver. A smaller person may not be able to handle a shotgun’s or rifle’s recoil.

The presence of children in the household is not a reason to avoid having a firearm in the home for protection. It is an excellent reason to include them in your choice and to educate them - not to hide the firearm from them. One of the worst things you can do is to hide any firearms in your home from your kids. Prohibition breeds fascination, especially in children. “You cannot gun proof your home, but you can gun proof your kids." As soon as your children are old enough to understand, tell them about firearm safety rules. If they want to see your gun, use that as a chance to educate them and reinforce the firearm safety rules. The NRA has a great program for kids called the Eddie Eagle program. If you let them see and handle a firearm under your supervision, they are a lot less likely to go looking for it while you aren't around.

Now, for the equipment. There are really three choices: handgun, shotgun, and rifle. There are plusses and minuses for each.

We’ll start with the handgun.


The handgun can be either a revolver or semi-auto. Handguns are probably the most popular firearm for home defense. They are very portable as you can carry one just about anywhere in your home - either in your hand or in a holster. You can hide a handgun on your person with a decent quality holster, or in a hidden spot somewhere in your home, ready to use when you need it. Handguns are usable with both hands, your dominant hand, or your non-dominant hand if need be. Say, for instance, you are calling the police - it is easier to hold onto the handgun AND dial the police for help rather than using both hands to hold a long gun or - worse yet – put the firearm down! Handguns are shorter and, therefore, easily maneuverable in your hallways, bedrooms, doorways, etc. They also have (in general) less recoil than a rifle or shotgun as the ammunition is smaller in size. Handguns, specifically autoloaders, usually have a larger ammunition supply than a revolver and can be reloaded faster than most of the other firearms if you have a spare magazine (and it is full!). The best advantage to a handgun is that you can keep it close to you - under your mattress or in a nightstand.

There are, however, some drawbacks when considering a handgun for home defense. Some handguns are harder to operate and shoot than others. Those of us with smaller or weaker hands may not be able to work the safeties, triggers, or, in the case of the semi-auto, the slide. Handguns are also fairly difficult to shoot accurately under stress. Handguns are by nature woefully underpowered when you need to stop an intruder or animal predator. The chances are great that you may miss your target altogether. There is also a huge risk of over-penetrating your target, thus putting someone else at risk.

Next up: the shotgun.


Although shotguns are longer than handguns, and are fairly difficult to move around in your home with, they do indeed have the “power” to put down your target. If your aggressor or home invader has been drinking, is on drugs, or is incapable of feeling pain due to his habit, you will not have the desired effect with a handgun round; you definitely will with a shotgun round. One of the biggest advantages of a shotgun is cost. You can get a well made, reliable pump action shotgun for less than the cost of your average handgun. Most shotgun ammunition is also less expensive than handgun ammunition.

Ammunition selection is wider with a shotgun. You can choose between slugs (big hunks of lead) or shot (pellets of lead encased in the cartridge). The slug would be advantageous in a rural area where distances are plentiful, whereas the slug would most likely go through a few of your neighbors’ walls before stopping. Shot (#4) would have less of a chance of penetrating a wall beyond your target and has a better chance of striking your target rather than missing it. Shot will also lessen the chances of over-penetration. Note that 00 buck shot has only 9 pellets and will still penetrate a wall as the shot does not “spread” early enough as would #4 or birdshot.
One of the more pronounced advantages of the shotgun, specifically the pump action, is the sound when you work the action. This is very intimidating and can inform the offender that you are aware of his or her presence and that you are most likely armed. I would be willing to bet that everyone knows what a pump action shotgun sounds like. According to the research of Professor Gary Kleck, a majority of defensive firearm uses end without shooting because just the threat of being shot is usually enough to stop the aggressor. That intimidating sound is very valuable to you as the defender.

And now, the rifle.

Rifles can be very valuable in a rural setting, as well as in an urban one. In the country, they can be used to eliminate a predator such as a fox, wolf, bear, etc. You have a longer distance to shoot and the round is inherently more accurate. In the city, rifles can be useful, but only under the right circumstances. A rifle bullet has a lot of energy and will definitely go through your target, the wall behind him, and quite possibly, into your neighbor’s house. Of course, some rifle rounds will stop in their target, such as a .223, but the chance of over-penetration is still very high. If you can adjust to the penetration factor, a rifle at close range can be very effective.

Rifles can be just as bulky as shotguns to maneuver in your home. If you have a large home with wider hallways and rooms, this problem becomes a bit less of a hindrance. Still, if you decide you have to move around in your home, you have to be very aware of the muzzle and where you are going.

Saving the best for last, one major factor in choosing a firearm for home defense is your mindset. Are you prepared to defend your family? This is a very difficult decision and should not be made lightly. Shooting another human being, even if they are threatening you and/or your family, can be very tough. I would suggest attending a formal training class that deals with the mindset, as well as the physical skills, behind shooting.

Now, if you have to defend yourself, here are a few things that you need to be aware of:

1) No warning shots. A warning shot is reckless and dangerous. You just dumped a round past the aggressor and you have no idea where it went. Remember, bullets always have to end up somewhere. Bullets can ricochet off of any hard surface: the ground, a brick wall, a vehicle’s rim. A bullet that does not hit your target will end up in the very worst place that you can imagine.

2) An aggressor can be more dangerous after you have shot them. They will most likely still be in the house, either on the floor or resting against something. Don’t go help them. When you call the police, let them know where the aggressor is, or where you think he/she is. Do not go looking for them. If you can see them, stay away from them. If they need first aid, tell them what to do. Do not do it for them. Your safety and your family’s safety comes first.

3) Do not move the aggressor or their weapon(s) unless you absolutely have to in order to make it safer for you and your family. Unless your safety is at stake, leave everything alone. Your home is now a crime scene and everything involving you and the aggressor is now considered evidence. Inform the police when they arrive that you had to move the weapon - they will understand.

4) The most important factor to remember is to let the police know exactly what happened. “Officer, he/she tried to kill us. We had no choice.” Do not embellish. Do not use slang words. Learn to use terminology that the police use or know. This will help you out in more ways than you can imagine. You also should not have a weapon in your possession when the police arrive. They may mistake you for the aggressor.

As with any subject, there are a lot of other ways to accomplish your goal. The above suggestions are only a couple of ideas. The firearm is only a part of the total equation for home defense. Your mindset and training will form a more complete package. Learn what you can do, when you can do it, and how to do it. Attend a defensive shotgun, handgun, or rifle class to learn what you will need to do in your home. Learn to develop a plan and then practice it so that everyone knows what to do in case of that emergency. Best of all, the more training and education you can get, the better equipped you will be in the long run.

Hopefully, this article will help you make the best choice for you and your home. This is not something to take lightly. Take the time to decide and you will be better for it. Good luck and stay safe.

Dave Jenkins is the founder of Rochester Personal Defense where he trains and educates people on both weapon and non–weapon based personal defense, home security, and firearms safety. Dave has trained with police departments, military personnel, and civilian instructors. The training and theory basis he provides has been used to model home defense and concealed carry training across NY State. Dave can be reached through his website at www.safeinrochester.com.
 
Some good insights, but some that seem a bit odd.


A bullet that does not hit your target will end up in the very worst place that you can imagine.

It might, or it might not. As noted, the bullet has to go somewhere, but that does not mean it will go to the worst place.

The most important factor to remember is to let the police know exactly what happened.

It may be more in your best interest to speak as little as possible or not at all until you have a lawyer present and/or after enough time has passed that your statements can be made with a clear head. Harold Fish attempted to explain what happened and was arrested, jailed, and convicted, only to have his conviction overturned years later. In other words, you are under no legal mandate that says you have to provide a statement to the police ASAP.
 
Here's a thread relating to the OP: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=489480

It tells what some people here are using for their HD weapons. One of the responses a guy had described a VERY interesting weapon for HD. A short barreled AR-15 with a suppressor. All the power of the .223 from that small distance, suppressor so you don't risk your ears, and the shorter barrel for maneuverability.
 
Based on your Experience in the HD business, what seems to be the gun of choice and what do you normally recommend?
 
One of the more pronounced advantages of the shotgun, specifically the pump action, is the sound when you work the action. This is very intimidating and can inform the offender that you are aware of his or her presence and that you are most likely armed.

I gotta be honest here and say that I think this statement has no place in your otherwise good article.

The rest of the article talks about tools, mindset, etc and here we have this thing, straight out of a movie.

I urge you to reconsider this one.

If you want to warn the attacker that you are present and armed, do it verbally, with a LOADED gun in your hands.
 
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I gotta be honest here and say that I think this statement has no place in your otherwise good article.
It's right up there with "drag them back inside" in the Top 10 Load of Hooey List.

If your firearm isn't ready for immediate use, you're not serious about self-defense.
 
On balance, he seems to favor a shotgun, but he doesn't present a clear view about gauge, choke, and ammo. There is a wide range between no spread and over-penetration on one end, and wide spread and no penetration on the other. This is not an area that I really know anything about, but I think he overplays the "has a better chance of striking your target" due to spread of the shot. The tests I've seen show very little spread in the 10-15 ft range of a room.

I also worry about the converse of the argument. It seems to me that if you use a choke that spreads the shot you might increase the chances of a hit with bad aim, but you also decrease the chances of a hit (or the number of pellets that hit) with good aim.
 
A lot of municipalities have enacted limits on the firearm type, size, capacity, etc. that you are allowed to own or keep in your home. Another legal issue is a permit or a license. Most states in the U.S. have a permit system for handguns. Some are easier to get, some are not. I would advise checking your local laws as part of your search.

I'm guessing the writer lives in a "Highly Regulated Jurisdiction".

On the whole across America, permits for possession of handguns in the home are the exception, not the rule, but people from HRJs tend to think the opposite.

Very few municipalities outside of Illinois have local limits, and post Heller, even the rinky dink Illinois towns are lining up to surrender on that point.

A better formulation would be to state that people should become familiar with the acts of legislation in force in their jurisdiction, because they vary wildly, and because some jurisdictions place a heavy regulatory burdens on the gunowner, such as permits, restrictions, and so on.

I think the article has some other flaws, as well: while its true that handguns have a higher bar to attain and maintain proficiency than long guns, saying that the chances are great that you're going to miss, thus endangering the public undermines the position of the armed defender. Also, consider how the statements concerning how "woefully underpowered" handguns seems to contradict the statement "huge risk of over-penetrating your target". A lot of the right elements are there, but re-read the thing from the viewpoint of an enemy. It might be better to talk about how *if* you select a handgun, you *must* put in the practice to attain/maintain proficiency.

Although mentioned in passing, the section on shotguns really doesn't deal with the fact that for many women and slight statured folks, shooting fighting loads (as opposed to clay sporting loads) out of them is very unpleasant, and unconducive to successful defense. How many times have we collectively seen our wives fire one or two rounds of 12 ga slugs or 00 buck, put the shotgun down, and never touch it again? This is a good opportunity to reinforce the point made earlier about considering personal differences of others in the household in the choice of arms

Finally, the article really doesn't make the important distinction between full house rifles, which in anyone's book is a fallback weapon of last resort for home defense (except against grizzly), and the carbine, which, IMO, is an ideal arm for home defense, especially when considered in pistol calibers or frangible intermediate calibers, and especially when considered in light of the lower bar to attain and maintain proficiency.

It seems that my once heretical position regarding carbines for HD is becoming increasingly mainstream.
 
... “You cannot gun proof your home, but you can gun proof your kids." ...

This, to me, is the worst statement in the article. Again, YMMV.

You cannot "gun proof your kids." (I am talking about young children here, not young adults who can own and be responsible for their own firearms.)

You can (and should) teach them and train them as well as you possibly can but, just like securing the firearms physically, nothing can prevent the tragedy of an accidental firearm death 100%. If you think your own children are immune from this then, with all due respect, you are deluding yourself.

I review every non-medical child death in my state -- it's what I do for a living. I have spoken at length with parents who have lost their children to such tragedies and can tell you that, with only a couple of exceptions, they all (1) thought their children knew better and it wouldn't/couldn't happen to them and (2) would give anything to go back and make sure their firearms were more secure from their children, teaching/training notwithstanding.

IMHO a parent has an obligation to secure his firearms safely from his children (and yes, this can be done in a way that still leaves them readily and quickly accessible) especially when they are too young to understand the consequences, but even after they are taught/trained "to know better." Even the best and most responsible children get curious, test boundaries, disobey instructions, and make mistakes -- better that they don't pay for such with their lives (or the life of a sibling/friend).

This is not a popular sentiment with some shooters, but it is my experience over years of reviewing child fatalities and my couterparts in the other states report similar experiences. My prayer is that nobody here learn this the hard way...
 
One of the more pronounced advantages of the shotgun, specifically the pump action, is the sound when you work the action. This is very intimidating and can inform the offender that you are aware of his or her presence and that you are most likely armed.
This is a foolish "old wives tale", that belongs with, "Just shoot the shotgun, it's not necessary to aim".

True, ANY noise you make may scare most criminals away but for the ones that don't scare so easily you have just made a major mistake.

If I was in your home it would be because I think I know you have something I want. If I want it bad enough I welcome hearing the homeowner pump his shotgun because he has just told me,
he has a shotgun,

his location, so I can decide whether to go after him or try to avoid him,

he knows I'm here and may or may not know where I am,

he is scared and is against shooting anyone, or he would have just ambushed me,

I know now not to take any chances, so I will shoot the homeowner first chance if I can't avoid him,

he is probably inexperienced because he was foolish enough to give me all this information.

At this time I will decide if what I'm after is worth killing the homeowner.
 
Some good insights, but some that seem a bit odd.

It might, or it might not. As noted, the bullet has to go somewhere, but that does not mean it will go to the worst place.

It may be more in your best interest to speak as little as possible or not at all until you have a lawyer present and/or after enough time has passed that your statements can be made with a clear head. Harold Fish attempted to explain what happened and was arrested, jailed, and convicted, only to have his conviction overturned years later. In other words, you are under no legal mandate that says you have to provide a statement to the police ASAP.

You should always plan on the contingency it will go in the worst place possible. As is sometimes said, "every bullet has a lawyer attached to it."

I'd say as little as possible to the police. Everything you say can/ will be used against you if necessary, nothing you say to the police will be used in your favor in court.
 
The C.A. Bulldog .44 Special Revolver

loaded with Mag Safe bullets is what i'll use.
It's like a " mini shotgun " ! The bullets won't go through my neighbor's walls.And they will have a great dispersing effect on the perp. after they go in a few inches.And a pistol is easier to handle while moving around your house.Plus a revolver is virtualluy " idiot proof ". ;)
 
I keep a loaded 12GA with #4 shot for home defense. There is always a shell in the chamber with the safety on. My Mrs and I are empty nesters so having a loaded weapon isn't the same issue as it would be with a younger family. I also have a handgun readily available. When the home is empty all firearms are locked away in a gun safe with the exception of the one I might be carrying. Overall not a bad article with some good advice. As with anything else we read on the subject you still have to consider local laws and your own abilities/limitations. While I have a couple of nice semi auto carbines I wouldn't use a rifle for close range home defense. Too much opportunity for over penetration and my neighbors have youngsters. Last thing I want to do is injure, or kill an innocent bystander.
 
I'd never let the perp know where I am with the sound of a shotgun or otherwise. You just helped the bad guy. You know your home better than anyone else and you should take advantage of that if possible. Racking the slide of a shotun is only for tv. Meth heads can be fearless when they're cranked up. It's better to have surprise on your side. Btw what you have is call an esconced defense if you hide and stay there until it's time. It's 3 to 1 odds in your favor if you use it properly. Or in other words 3 BG's to 1 of you.

I keep a .357 real close. If it's the middle of the night and you're half asleep every second counts. You can move around more easily. If someone hasn't had much practice with a handgun they would be better off with a short shotgun.
 
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Somewhere between repeating tired internet kommando myths as fact and confusing the free states of America with Chicago/DC I lost any respect I may have had for this article. This guy actually gets paid to teach people to shoot? /shudder
 
1.) I was gun proofed by the age of 5 (1955), by a loving father.

2.) Never give the (*********) an even chance.



scyth
 
You should always plan on the contingency it will go in the worst place possible. As is sometimes said, "every bullet has a lawyer attached to it."

Saying every bullet has a lawyer attached to it is like saying every bullet bullet that misses will go to the worst place possible. That just is not the case. It might happen, but given the number of times people miss in self defense situations, it doesn't happen that often. Yeah, having contingencies is good, but also is knowing your target, backstop, and beyond.
 
You know, I've been wondering why K-Bar came up with the handgun rail bayonet. Someone grabbing at your handgun in the dark would have an awful surprise.

The only way into my house at night is through the windows (steel doors with interesting latches), and then there is my dog of no sense of humor. A bump in the night, and I investigate with flashlight and handgun at my side. Bust a window (double pane insulated with internal security bars between the panes) and cause the dog to get excited, and my wife takes the shotgun with the light, and I take the Mini-14 with the light. Then, I let the dog loose.

ECS
 
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