Handguns on bears?? PFFFT...!

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Seems to me these guys could have saved themselves a lot of anxiety if they had just set up an M60 and unloaded a couple of belts into the bear.

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StrikeEagle said:
Noooooooo! You guys have it all wrong. The proven technique is to stick your hand down the critter's throat and rip his tongue out. 100% stopping power there, and heck, it's so easy even a 73 year old geezer can do it!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8317484/?GT1=6657

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1725526,00.html

Now THAT is how it's done. I certainly hope that all of you are taking notes. :D

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I'd love to see this guy in a bar fight.....:D

..... "come on old man, I'll kick your... hey!?!?... what the?!?!?!... arrrrrgggghhhh..."....
 
Kind of hard to believe that the guy said he was shooting the bear COM. No wonder it took so many shots and the guy with the 45-70 probably did the actual killing.
 
ribbonstone said:
Hunt with slow fat people.
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All you need to survive a charging bear is a .22 and a companion you don't like very much.;)

Seriously, though, I have spoken with a few individuals who have taken large bears with bows and rifles. The concensus is that bears do not realize they are dead for quite some time. One old boy (according to his testament) had shot a 600 pound sow griz with broadhead from a tree stand. He said the bear ran about knocking over small trees and such for a good two minutes. Upon cleaning the animal, they found the arrow had nearly split the heart in two. I have heard/read many similar accounts. It would seem that only a CNS shot is likely to put the bear down immediately. The best one can hope for in a defensive situation is that the pain from a few hits will dissuade the attack, the bear deciding that the meal isn't worth the pain.
 
A handgun for bears???:confused: Not a chance. Give me a rifle... or a shotgun.... or a grenage.... AND a handgun. Those suckers are just too big and too strong!
 
jerkface11 said:
I wonder what he would have done if a man had charged him :eek:
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Dunno. If this old guy ever charges me all I know is that I am keeping my mouth shut and hoping God ain't in a talkative mood towards him.
 
vynx said:
I've always thought the best thing for big bear would be a large bear pepper spray and one of those air horns in a can similar in size to a large pepper spray.

I think the best chance you have is scaring him off with the air horn.

What does anyone think of the noise idea?
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I wouldn't risk my butt by using pepperspray. A black bear can run about 30 MPH. The average bear repellant has the range of 15-30 feet. If the fog doesn't blow back at you, the bear might not be stopping all that quickly after you hit it. All you might be doing is making a tasty cajun treat for the bear once it gets a hold of you.

As for a air horn if that bear is determined like a sow protecting it's cubs it might not be of much help. As for the general bear that you come across the air horn probable would work. But I would want something to fall back on if needed.

I've shot a few bears with my 44 mag S&W 629 Classic the load I was using were 300 grain XTP hollowpoints. The bears were treed & had no problems taking them down. For my normal trail gun I'm using my Glock 27. A 40 S&W might be a little under gunned for the job. But its a compromise of size & capacity. But I figure ten 180 grain Golddots is better than nothing.
 
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but that story seemed pathetic.

I've always considered certain game to be on the same side as myself, i.e., coyotes, bear, mountain lion. As in, it's "us and them" against the grass-eaters. (BTW, grass-eaters can be animal and human...both look like prey.) Now, killing one of these critters in self-defense might be the penultimate challenge, the ultimate being man-on-man, but maybe he could do it by himself...maybe square the odds a bit.

I just don't get charged by that idea of going out like these fellows did.

But, to each their own. As long as it doesn't significantly deplete the population, I'm for freedom and am not for restricting anyone's right to use the land and resources for their own interests (with the significant depletion exception intact.)
 
I doubt that a 9mm is going to penetrate a bear's skull, I could be wrong but I seem to remember reading something about someone shooting a bear in the head with something more powerful than a 9, and after the they killed the bear they discovered the round to the head had just flattened against the skull, I'm sure it'd still hurt like hell though. I could be wrong, but personally I'm not going anywheres near a bear with a handgun that starts with anything below a .44. thats just me though
 
9mm can penetrate a bear's skull. Note that I said "can" and not "will".

There was a well-documented case awhile back of a man killing a grizzly/brown with a 9mm. He got VERY lucky and hit it in the shoulder socket while it was charging. That dropped it temporarily and he was able to kill it by shooting it in the head. The article didn't state the kind of ammo used, but I would guess that it was FMJ.
 
MCgunner said:
I watched "American Sportsman" on ABC Sports once, used to come on every Saturday, where William Shatner (Star Trek was big on TV then) was hunting Brownies in Alaska with a bow. He stuck a big one, bear scrambled off in the alders and Shatner knocks another arrow and jumps in after him! IDIOT!
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So, Denny Crane is, or was a hunter? Yes that was dumb of him, but I'm glad to see DC was doing that. Shatner is not on the anti-gun list at the NRA site, so I was hoping he wasn't an anti.

And it's Denny Crane, not Capt Kirk. :D
 
IndianaDean said:
So, Denny Crane is, or was a hunter? Yes that was dumb of him, but I'm glad to see DC was doing that. Shatner is not on the anti-gun list at the NRA site, so I was hoping he wasn't an anti.

And it's Denny Crane, not Capt Kirk. :D
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Yeah, well back then he was Kirk. I reckon a Phaser would have done too much meat damage. But, he coulda set it on stun and then just walked up and stuck him after he was out.

I tried googling the story, but can't find it. At the time it was the record black bear in Canada, two indian girls walking home were being followed by it, so they hid in the brush with a single shot .22 rifle. The bear walks up within a few yards and the little girl put one right in his skull and he fell in his tracks. I read this in an outdoor magazine some years ago, "Outdoor Life" I think, but not sure.

So, if you gotta hit 'em in the head anyway, seems to me the .357 is good as any!
 
.454 Casull

I'm moving to Juneau in May. After seeing Brownies on a previous fishing trip to AK, I decided to get a Super Redhawk in .454 Casull. Yes, it has "oh my God" recoil, but I go to the range once a week and am getting comfortable with it. I reload .250 to .325 grain bullets and can download for less recoil or load up to get used to the boom. I was Very Impressed by the size of these bears. They're just absolutely huge. If I could, I would carry an anti-tank rocket. I don't plan on hunting bears, I just don't want to be on their buffet. I'm also taking a Browning BLR in .325 WSM, accurate,lots of power, and lever-action in a fast handling rifle that I like to shoot. Anyway, that's my solution. I agree it's all about bullet placement, so I practice, practice...
 
9mm on bear

Know of old-time black bear hunter (1940s/50s) who killed bear with 9mm.
When told it was "not enough gun" he responded "not if you have the right dogs." He was at close range, feet, and was a brave man with brave hounds. and was a legend on the east coast, Maine to Florida. A wounded black is serious, but the grizzly is a differant animal altogether.
 
Once upon a time, a man with a single shot .36 caliber firearm killed hundreds of bears and lived to die of old age.

Today, a multishot .36 caliber firearm is considered by many to be virtually useless against bears.

I guess bears are different today...
 
That's a very good point. Even in Alaska I expect more brown bear have been killed with .30-30 class rifles than anything else. In the early days hunters racked up not one or two but dozens of monumental brown bears with rifles we would barely consider sufficient for squirrel. .32-20's even! Folta racked up most of his total with a .35 Remington. The .30'06 slowly gained ascendency with the professional hunters, but until the oil boom sourdoughs and natives continued to tote "underpowered" rifles around and use them on bears. Now of course most people use .338's or more for brown bear and assume nothing less will kill them reliably.
 
"I've always thought the best thing for big bear would be a large bear pepper spray and one of those air horns in a can similar in size to a large pepper spray.

I think the best chance you have is scaring him off with the air horn.

What does anyone think of the noise idea?"​
My grandad fought off a black bear in yellowstone that was stealing his food with a bullwhip and a bunch of firecrackers with backup being grandma with a cast iron frying pan. He scared the bear off and ate his lunch.
 
And they say full-autos are non-sporting weapons. I'd suggest a BAR or a Minimi. At least a STEN.
Placement trumpeth caliber, as we see again.
 
The most incredible BS story I ever heard

was at a gun store, and the subject was either the 50 AE or the 500 Smith as far as stopping brown bears, and this kind of rednecky looking guy who hadn't had a haircut in a while chimed in that the way HE used to do it was to sneak up the bear, jump on his back, and slit the bear's throat with a switchblade knife. :what: :confused: :uhoh: :eek: I was so taken aback by this incredible statement that I just stood there with my mouth open waiting for some flies to land, and after a while shut it and walked off. The guy was acting absolutely dead serious that he had actually done this MORE THAN ONCE, and my brain was absolutely frozen up listening to this.
 
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