handled a .22 Hornet

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The cartridge, I mean. I was showing some kids with a .22WMR the difference btw .22LR, .22WMR, and .22Hornet. I'd never actually fondled one of the cartridges before. Neat. Mini. And it's centerfire rifle ammo sold in boxes of 50! What's not to like for the handloader? I suppose there isn't a great advantage over .223 for the handloader, other than saving powder? Seems the .223 would be cheaper to run. But man, those antique-style rimmed loooong-necked cartridges are really cool.

Speaking of the kids with the .22, all their brass was splitting and I happened to be browsing in the store when they brought it in with questions. Turned out they were feeding .22LR into a .22WMR bolt-action Marlin. That was easy enough to debug, but the initial confusion probably came from the fact that someone at Marlin put the wrong mag tube on the gun! It had a .22LR-length loading port cut in it.

-Daizee
 
Up close the Hornet with a 35 gr ballistic tip bullet and a stiff charge of Hodgdon Lil' Gun, will shoot 3000 fps out of most rifles, good out to 200 yds, a lot quieter than the .223, and as you stated quite a bit more thrifty, less recoil, you can call your shot through the scope.
That's why the Hornet has failed to fade away , it fills that niche!
 
The .22 Hornet is a little jewel. I shoot the regular version in a Ruger M-77 and the K-Hornet in a BSA S/S and H&R S/S. They are all great 100 yard small game getters. Reloading is simple and straight forward. The extra 100 fps in the K is nice but the super long case life with the K is the main reason I shoot them the most. When I get around to it I will rent a reamer for Ruger but I am in no hurry.

If a person does not reload, the .22 Mag does almost everything as well as a .22 Hornet. The Hornet is the cheapest rifle round to reload. About 20 years ago I started making .22 cal 40gr bullets from fired .22 lr cases. They work great in my Hornets but not well at all in my .223 and .22-250. Even at today's powder and primer prices and can load 100 cases for under $7.:eek::p
 
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I was looking at the Cooper Classic in 22 Hornet online today and thinking about ordering one.

Does anyone have any experience with Cooper rifles?
 
Love my model 43 Winchester 218 bee[close enough to the hornet to be relevant] Super cheap to load for,and accurate as I would need.
 
I'd been wanting a Hornet for quite a few years, finally bought a CZ 527 a couple months ago. Weather is finally warming up and I'm anxious to see what it can do.

Was going to go the Ruger route, but I read in to many places that it was a 50/50 bet if you got a Ruger in a Hornet that was accurate.

I've got most of the small bore centerfires, but have always enjoyed what I read about the Hornet (low noise/no recoil so you can see your shots).
 
Hornets are very rewarding to shoot jackrabbits and squirrels with. I had an absolute bear of a time getting my 1947 Anschutz with the double set triggers to group smaller than 3" at 100 under I crimped my loads and used a small pistol primer with Lil' Gun. As near as I can figure, the primer was pushing the bullet on the uncrimped case out before the powder ignited. Problem solved, I'm now shooting about MOA, and what a fun gun it is!
 
If a person does not reload, the .22 Mag does almost everything as well as a .22 Hornet.

I will agree -- when I clock my .22WMR at 3,000 fps.

The fact is, the Hornet will shoot rings around both the .22 WMA and the .17 HMR.

I had an absolute bear of a time getting my 1947 Anschutz with the double set triggers to group smaller than 3" at 100 under I crimped my loads and used a small pistol primer with Lil' Gun.

Try this:

1. Fireform your brass.

2. Use the Lee Collet Die to size your case.

3. Put a couple of washers on the shell holder to cause the collet to activate early, sizing only the front half of the neck, and leaving the rest unsized to center the bullet in the throat.

4. Fill the case -- literally -- with Li'l Gun, and tap it to settle it a bit to allow you to seat the bullet.

5. Use the Hornady 35-grain V-Max loaded to almost touch the rifling. With its short nose, this bullet will allow you to seat it well out and still feed through the magazine.

I have not used small pistol primers with Li'l Gun, and note that Ross Seifried, who did a lot of experimenting with the Hornet found small pistol primers did nothing for him when used with Li'l Gun.
 
I own a Stevens 44 1/2 in 22 Hornet topped with a Litchert 10X scope. Sure is a neat looking rig. Just started using Lil' Gun powder. Haven't really developed a load with this powder, but shoots accurately as is. Shoots about 3/4" at 100yds. I tried it out on some cotton tails last Feb. The little rifle shoots minute of rabbit at 135 yds. (according to my range finder). Doesn't tear them up too bad.
 
I have both the Hornet and the 221 Fireball. Other than a bit more capacity, the Fireball brass is much more durable and I find the Fireball much less prone to flyers. I don't know why, but no mater what I do to Hornet reloads, there is a high percentage of groups with one wandering bullet.

My best Hornet loads are with H110. The best part about the Hornet is that with the 45 gr loads, the velocity is too low to leave any copper in the barrel.

I have had two Hornets, a Ruger 77/22H, which was not even vaguely accurate and a nicely accurate CZ 527 American.
 
Vern HumphreyVern Humphrey, would you have any idea why I am experiencing very short case life even with neck sizing? I'm getting three or four loads from a brand new winchester case before I get case separation. I have some 35g V-maxes, I just have to find a place to buy primers now before I can try 'em out...
 
Rancho;
I'm not Vern, but I've got 30+yrs experience with the Hornet.

I surmise from your previous posting that you're using an Anshutz rifle.
These have a rear locking lug, and as such won't take the higer pressures of front locking actions. ie. the Win. M54, M70, and even the Savage M340 with it's single lug.
This is NOT a slight to the usually superb, and superbly accurate Anshutz rifles. Just a statment and observation of fact.

With H110/Win296, many of the listed loads are running over 40,000cup pressures with this powder, and it's possible with the Anshutz that you're shoot is running even higher. Back about 10-12yrs ago SAAMI lowered the standard pressure on the Hornet to substantially less than the long existing standard for this amoung other reasons......

I too, have short case life from the Hornet, but it's not that bad when you consider that the cases are inexpensive in the first place. When I order brass, I ususally get 200-300 at a time, and it takes a while to get around to "wearing" them out.... Though I often get as many as 10-15 loadings.. However, this past fall, I experienced my first total case head separation, and it was a beast to get out. Had to make a plug from a brass cleaning jag with a tapered shank and hammer it into the remaining neck to grab it sufficiently to pull it out. But, this case dated to the mid '70's and had only been used to load .22lr level loads for over 20yrs with cast bullets, so....... I was probably due........ BTW, the "offending" load was 2.0gr of Bullseye and a Lyman #225415 tumble lubed, but no gascheck. Runs about 1,300fps and is near silent....... Shoots about 1/2" groups at 50yds, at the bottom taper of the Plex reticle at 8x........

Try using Lil'gun. I've gotten excellent accuracy with both small pistol, and small rifle brass. Next best powder, and outstanding for accuracy is Accurate#1680, and a small rifle match primer.

I too get better accuracy with full length sized brass. -I surmise it's due to the excentricity of my Ruger chamber. (A full length sized case allows the cartridge to "lie" consistently in the chamber giving better consisency.) Though it's tight, it's not round.... It too has rear-locking lugs, and stretches the brass if loads run "warm". Contrast this with a two previous Ruger chambers that were "large" and "oblong" too, so you get the picture.......

Try neck reaming the brass, uniforming flash-holes, and sorting it by weight. With the exceedingly small capacity of these cases, a grain difference in weight can translate into different pressures and therefore velocities and changes in barrel harmonics, especially considering that most Hornets have thin barrels....

I likewise have gotten occasionally superlative accuracy from my Hornets by mimimal sizing of the neck and seating the bullet to be "hard-seated" by forcing them into the throat. If you do this, reduce loads by 5% as it does raise pressures somewhat.... It really works well with the 35gr V-max over H110, and the Hornady 50gr SX over Acc.#1680.

I had an H&R Topper (now the "Handi-Rifle") back in the mid '70's while in college. Due to the extractor cut in the chamber, and very-sloppy chamber, cases didn't last much more than 3-rds, even with cast bullet loads, and light charges of Unique or BlueDot. Killed a "gazillion" pigeons with it though, using CCI Magnum small pistol primers propelling a .22cal air-rifle pellet w/o powder. Kinda like a "magnum" air-rifle......... Enough that I had to quit when the local newspaper did an article on the "mysterious pigeon die-off" in the West Glenn Ave. area of Auburn, Al in 1975-76............... (I can admit now that the statue of limitations has long expired........) But, the T/C Contender I had with a 3x T/C scope and mount would shoot circles "inside" the H&R.....
My next "Hornet" will probably be another barrel for my T/C carbine or a CZ-527. Decisions, decisions.......

Did I mention that I ,too, "Love the little Hornet".......!
 
Cooper .22 K-Hornet

I have a Cooper Classic chambered for the K-Hornet. The little rifle weighs somewhere around 6 lbs. and is one of the most accurate rifles I own. It will shoot sub 3/8" groups at 50 yds. I fitted it with a Leupold 2-7x compact scope. A full-sized scope just looks wrong on that little rifle.

I picked the K-Hornet because I wanted to headspace on the shoulder, not the rim. I simply fire the regular Hornet ammo in the rifle to get the K-Hornet brass.

It is the perfect rifle for the beginner. It has no recoil to speak of but can reach out to 150 yds. with ease. Because it is that accurate, you know that any miss is due to the shooter, not the rifle.
 
Hornet and K-Hornet

I have several Hornets and K-hornets, and I loved em all. I had an original Thompson K-Hornet pistol barrel which was octagon and had iron sights. It was a rip to pop a beer can or a plastic bottle of H20 at 100 yds with it.

I shot a coyote at 83 paces in the chest with a 40 gr JHP. The bullet exited behind the rib cage leaving an exit wound the size of a quarter.

I would recommend the hornet over the K-hornet. There is too much work fire forming brass and too little payback. (Rule number one in wildcatting - don't re-invent the .308 or in this case the .218 bee.)

Great little cartridge that I will always have in my lineup.

Higene

:)
 
Vern Humphrey, would you have any idea why I am experiencing very short case life even with neck sizing?
Hornet brass is thin, and if you are using a traditional sizing die, the pressure is applied to the head of the case and transmitted through the walls. The Lee Collet Die, which sizes radially may give you a bit more case life.
 
GooseGestapo,
I'm using Lil' Gun and small pistol primers, but haven't tried Vern's suggestion of a Lee Collet die. For me, the only thing that really worked so far was crimping, went from 3"+ groups to ~1". I'm still seeing separation fractures after a couple of loading, I'm using a Forster neck sizing die. I've had two complete separations where when I went to extract the case I came away with the rim while the rest of the case was stuck in the chamber. In that case a cleaning rod with a brush from a larger caliber was stuck through the case and then I pulled back on the rod the case came with it. I ruined an 8mm brush, but it's an easy way to get it outta there. My Anschutz is a lot of fun now, with it's double set triggers the letoff is right around an ounce, took awhile to get used to that, but combined with the zero recoil it's a lotta fun!
 
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