Gardien
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I wish everyone a happy and safe 4th of July and hope each of us takes a moment to remember why and what we are celebrating.
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Happy 233rd Birthday, USA!
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MT GUNNY
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Happy 4th Every one!
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General Geoff
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An illustration I found from a 19th century history book.
Starship1st
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Happy Independence Day! 
strangelittleman
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233rd
MT GUNNY
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So Ill shoot the AR 233 times
texas bulldog
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hey...don't go knocking fireworks! i know damn well what this holiday means, but i also relish one of the two opportunities i get each year to blow stuff up in my backyard.
also...i wouldn't say we have nothing to celebrate, but i do understand and second your frustration with where our country is headed.
also...i wouldn't say we have nothing to celebrate, but i do understand and second your frustration with where our country is headed.
outerlimit
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Now if we could only gain independence from the private banking monopoly, the Federal Reserve.
I hope everyone has a safe and happy Independence Day weekend.
I hope everyone has a safe and happy Independence Day weekend.
Harve Curry
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233rd 4th of July and reflecting on the history of the U.S.A.
I used to have a book titled "The History of Teaching History in the United States". It was printed approximatley 1950's. As I recall during the first 100 years American history was thought to be not much of a subject because our history was so short. 19th century teachers either didn't want to teach it or didn't have the materials on the topic. Debates about teaching American history heated up during the 1870's and to some degree won over the opposition. By then we had from The American Revolution and fresh out of the War Between The States. Teaching American history went up and down with the years through the 1920's. Socailism and Communism actually played a part in choosing curriculum in the early part of the 20th century, as there were Amercian scholars, politians, and beaurecrats who were open to the ideas of Marx, Lenin, Socialist or Communist. Then there was another drop in the efforts to teach American history during the 30's and it went up again after WWII. All the while what to teach was part of the arguments. I wish I still had this book. Considering many of the varyng degrees of what the Bill of Rights & 2nd Amendment means can be traced to when and where a individual was born and raised.
I used to have a book titled "The History of Teaching History in the United States". It was printed approximatley 1950's. As I recall during the first 100 years American history was thought to be not much of a subject because our history was so short. 19th century teachers either didn't want to teach it or didn't have the materials on the topic. Debates about teaching American history heated up during the 1870's and to some degree won over the opposition. By then we had from The American Revolution and fresh out of the War Between The States. Teaching American history went up and down with the years through the 1920's. Socailism and Communism actually played a part in choosing curriculum in the early part of the 20th century, as there were Amercian scholars, politians, and beaurecrats who were open to the ideas of Marx, Lenin, Socialist or Communist. Then there was another drop in the efforts to teach American history during the 30's and it went up again after WWII. All the while what to teach was part of the arguments. I wish I still had this book. Considering many of the varyng degrees of what the Bill of Rights & 2nd Amendment means can be traced to when and where a individual was born and raised.
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kirklandkie
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damn... do you think uncle sam will be able to tell the difference between my 5.56mm stockpile and the .223 cal?
time for a trip to cabelas!
-kirk
time for a trip to cabelas!
-kirk
Shung
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Happy 4th to all citizens of one of the last free country !
SCKimberFan
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I got this from Glenn Beck's newsletter today. Some good thoughts:
Take a moment to reflect on just what Independence Day really means.
Take a moment to reflect on just what Independence Day really means.
flrfh213
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WOOT....
357mag.
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Just got back from the range,good practice,and a little pre-4th gun-fire
TheFallGuy
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Indeed, happy birthday to the GREATEST NATION ON EARTH!!!! It is not perfect, not by a long shot, but it is the best!!!
I love Indepencence Day. And I am loyal to our federal government to the extent outlined in the Constitution. Beyond that they can go to hell. I can get bowed up pretty quick when someone starts dissing our founding Fathers. Somehow or another, I figure they must have been inspired by our Creator. God bless America.
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Encoreman
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If you have never heard him, David Barton is one of the most knowledgeable men concerning what our founding fathers stood for. I believe his web site is wall builders.com, but not sure. Wishing you all a safe, happy 4th of July. Let us never forget the vets that fought that we might have our freedom, and when you get a moment lift up a prayer for all those still in harms way all over this world standing guard that we might lay our heads down in peace. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
Deltaboy1984
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Happy Birthday USA!
I remember my great uncle buried in France since WW1 and my cousin we lost in Nam. Thanks Guys I will have a great day of food family and fun because you gave it all for the USA.
I remember my great uncle buried in France since WW1 and my cousin we lost in Nam. Thanks Guys I will have a great day of food family and fun because you gave it all for the USA.
MAURICE
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Celebrate freedom, buy a gun.
I did.
I would have waited until tomorrow to pick it up (yeah right), but the shop is closed on the 4th, so I bought a new 1911 today. My fourth 1911 and my second Kimber. Next up is a Springfield Compact in 9mm, followed by another Colt. My G32 is in the corner feeling rejected.
I did.
I would have waited until tomorrow to pick it up (yeah right), but the shop is closed on the 4th, so I bought a new 1911 today. My fourth 1911 and my second Kimber. Next up is a Springfield Compact in 9mm, followed by another Colt. My G32 is in the corner feeling rejected.
JohnMarshall12
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Maurice has got a great idea and I am looking for a new pistol. Should be a fun weekend.
XTerminator
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When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.
He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.
He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.
He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:
For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing taxes on us without our consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:
For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:
For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:
For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:
For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.
We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.
He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.
He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.
He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:
For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing taxes on us without our consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:
For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:
For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:
For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:
For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.
We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
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