Has anyone been balsy enough to...

[Wesker]

Carry concealed on a military base? I know it's not allowed here at Eglin AFB, but when I start my second job delivering pizzas, I'll be packing about 100% of the time. I do this only because I can visualize myself being a perfect target for druggies to mug to get some quick cash and some pizza

My only concern is my safety, and I'll be damned if I'm not going to carry but stupid base regulations state I'd have to lock it up in the armory each time I bring it on base and I don't even know where that is.

So my question to anyone whose been on a mlitary base is if you've ever packed. I've never had my person searched, and my car only searched once, and a time before that I had left my Makarov in my glove box for about three weeks because I forgot it was in there!

Heres to hoping I don't get arrested for exercising a right I said I'd die to defend...

 

[armoredman]

Don't do it. Military police have NO sense of humor, and with the war on terror going on, your behind could end up in Gitmo for 4 years before anyone knows your gone. Don't do it. Check with the MPs if there is any possabilty of a legal place to store it while doing a delivery on base, but I would NOT tempt fate.

 

[blindndead]

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How do you forget a firearm in a glove box?

 

[deadin]

"Balsy"? How is that spelled? "Dumb"? or "Really stupid"?

You could just refuse to deliver on base. Try explaining to your employer that because you can't take your gun on base, you can't deliver there. (That should solve your problem.)

Dean

 

[GRB]

You could just refuse to deliver on base. Try explaining to your employer that because you can't take your gun on base, you can't deliver there. (That should solve your problem.)

This could be an option so long as the pizza parlor owners allows their drivers to be armed.

Otherwise, it would be foolish, in the least, to bring a weapon onto a military base during time of war without declaring it to the sentries at the base entrance and then following whatever rules are in place. It amazes me how often folks seemingly forget we are in a state of war, whether actually declared or not, and then they want to do whatever they please on a military base.

My only concern is my safety, and I'll be damned if I'm not going to carry but stupid base regulations state I'd have to lock it up in the armory each time I bring it on base and I don't even know where that is.

I think you ought to just allow yourself to be damned instead of to bring a weapon onto a military base illegally under war time conditions. That is, of course, if you are truly comcerned about your safety.

As for this, you had better hope the military never reads it:

Heres to hoping I don't get arrested for exercising a right I said I'd die to defend...

Be careful of for what you wish. You may not be arested at all, you may wind up dead. If the military is ever made aware of your statements here inthis thread, and then traces them to you, they may wind up looking for you the next time you try to deliver a pizza. It would be quite possible their trigger fingers may be itchy as they extract you from your pizza delivery vehicle.

Sometimes it is really better to follow the rules, whether or not you think they make sense, doing so may help to keep you alive.

Best regards,
Glenn B

 

[rbernie]

Carry concealed on a military base?

NO. As has been pointed out, MPs and such have *zero* sense of humor - especially when you've been caught doing something that their presence is supposed to prevent.

Not worth it.

 

[230RN]

Guns versus GUUUHHHHNNNSS!

blindndead:

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How do you forget a firearm in a glove box?

I was waiting for that to come up.

I know this is going to start a row about "responsible gun ownership" and all that, but in the dear dead days long ago before a "gun" became an emotionally loaded thing called a "GUUUHHHNNN!" and the population became so dense, use of firearms was a little more casual than it is now.

Back in those dear dead days (BITDDD), I could easily misplace a gun or two for a number of weeks without really missing them. 'Course in those dear dead days, gun safes were not necessarily recommended unless you had really valuable collector's items or highly expensive ones.

'Course, again BITDDD, obtaining a firearm was relatively easy in terms of being able to walk into almost any hardware store, show your driver's license just to prove residency (without it being recorded), pay your money, and walk out with one. I'm sure some of you old-timers remember those dear dead days. You could also buy a couple of sticks of dynamite BITDDD and fused detonators to blow stumps without anybody raising an eyebrow.

So, BITDDD, before "guns" became "GUUUHHHNNNs!" the "forbidden fruit" aspect of owning a firearm essentially reduced their value and hence their desireability to ne'er-do-wells. Consequently, BITDDD, it was not too unusual to find a pickup truck with a .30-30 lever hanging in the back window rack with the windows open along main street in Longmont CO.

So it was easy to misremember where you left a gun for a while.

But, times change. Too bad. Just a little "flavoring" from the past.

Ahhhh, those were the good ole days! Now where'n h3ll did I put that Detective Special?

 

[symr00]

When I delivered pizzas to the local ANG base, all the customers met me outside of the gate. The base was the size of a small town so that was the delivery policy to avoid delivering pizzas late to other customers after that. I happened to be carrying concealed all those times but did not know that no weapons were allowed on base.

 

[Abby]

Nope. I'm on and off the local base all the time, and it severely curtails my carry. Such is life.

Normally there is no vehicle search. That can change in a hurry. In my "alternate life" I have and require a security clearance. I'm not taking any chances there. In my "primary life" my husband is on active duty, and I'm not taking any chance on causing HIM to get a phone call, either.

Sucks, but of all the rules I'm willing to bend, that's ain't one of them.

 

[BlkHawk73]

Heres to hoping I don't get arrested for exercising a right I said I'd die to defend...

With this right comes a responsibility. Doing what you know is not allowed and more than likely clearly posted at the entrance of the military base is being very irresponseable and in this scenario - pretty darn stupid. Remember, while you may have the permit allowing to to carry concealed, it is NOT all encompassing. Following the rules and laws regarding the legal carrying of a concealed firearm will allow you to retain the ability to do so. get caught on the wrong side of these rules/laws and you could very well not have to worry about firearms peroid.
Also thinking to myself that anyone that has to ask about carrying in a situation which is breaking the law really hasn't got the level of responsibilty or maturity to really have a firearm on them in the first place.

 

[deadin]

Also thinking to myself that anyone that has to ask about carrying in a situation which is breaking the law really hasn't got the level of responsibilty or maturity to really have a firearm on them in the first place.

Excellent!!!

Dean

 

[Josh Aston]

Seeing as I've never been to Eglin I don't know what their exact policy is, but I am SF (Air Force MP) so I do have some idea how it works. It's not nearly as difficult as some people are making it out to be. You don't have to lock it up in the armory every time you go on base. Announce it to the gate gaurds and they will either tell you to leave it in your glovebox or put it in your trunk while on base, or instruct you to take it to the Law Enforcement Desk. In the last case you'll leave it with the desk sergeant for the 15 minutes that it takes to deliver your pizza. No SF Armorer is going to accept a gun for 15 minutes.

edited to add - We have an excellent sense of humor, although sometimes very sick and off color.

NO. As has been pointed out, MPs and such have *zero* sense of humor - especially when you've been caught doing something that their presence is supposed to prevent.

As long as your not being a jerk and we haven't busted you multiple times already, most SF would rather not do the paperwork.

 

[daysleeprx]

Also thinking to myself that anyone that has to ask about carrying in a situation which is breaking the law really hasn't got the level of responsibilty or maturity to really have a firearm on them in the first place.

Amen to that.

 

[carterbeauford]

Normally there is no vehicle search.

My commercial truck was searched at DDSP, a defense depot, not even a military base. So I would be very afraid to carry anything prohibited on any military installation.

 

[Amadeus]

I'd have to lock it up in the armory each time I bring it on base and I don't even know where that is.

Oh WAH! Not an excuse!

As others have said. If you are going to own a firearm it is YOUR responsibility to learn and follow the laws. Anything less is lazy, irresponsible, immature, and stupid.

Either you follow the laws and make every effort to do so or I recommend you sell your guns today. Every bad act you commit with a firearm reflects badly on every one of us in the shooting community who chooses to remain legally compliant in the interest of retaining our 2nd Amendment rights!

 

[Abby]

carter-

I should have qualified my response. I don't drive a commercial vehicle on base - just my POV. With the current threat condition (or force protection condition), they don't search registered vehicles with a base sticker.

Of course, if they have a drill or the threatcon goes up, that can change.

I'm just sayin...even though the risk of getting "busted" is low (for me), it's one I prefer not to take.

 

[RNB65]

Not recently. But when I was in high school 20+ years ago, I drove the family Chevy pickup and my dad always kept a loaded .22 semi-auto rifle behind the seat (tube mag full, chamber empty). I carried that rifle to school every day for 3 years and made many trips onto the nearby AF base to visit friends.

I suppose I'm lucky I'm not serving a life sentence somewhere.

 

[dairycreek]

If you get busted on a military base for carrying you have just bought yourself a lifetime of serious, serious trouble. Particularly now with everybody up in arms about terrorism threats. You WILL do jail time and end up with a federal rap sheet and a record. End of productive life. Can't get a job. Can't even get into a community college. Bad Choice

 

[DWARREN123]

It would be a FEDERAL offense to carry on base. Do not tempt fate or BUBBA might get you as a roomy.

 

[Bob R]

How about you call the Security desk during the week (tomorrow would be good) and ask them. They will tell you what you need to know.

Where I am, I go to Malmstrom AFB every 4-6 weeks for shopping. All I have to do is have my gun locked up in a case in the back of the Jeep. I don't have to tell anyone about it.

So, to get the straight dope, call those who enforce the rules for that AFB.

bob

 

[wuchak]

I think Josh has offered sound advice. Tell the MP's that not every place you deliver is as secure as their base so you carry concealed and have a permit, I think they will understand. Ask them what procedure you should follow when delivering on base.

 

[fiVe]

Don't Do It

Our base(Saufley Field) is MUCH smaller than Eglin. The guards at the gate got very nervous when a co-worker tried to get on base with an expired tag (granted, it expired in April). I can only imagine what would've happened if a firearm were added to that mix.

Random searches with dogs are a common occurence here. When the guard says "I'm about to release the dog for the search. Is there anything I need to know? If so, tell me now."--you better make sure your talking truth then.

Repeat: Don't do it.

 

[Dave Rishar]

Procedures seem to vary from place to place. Try checking with the security force at your post. Perhaps something can be worked out.

People were occasionally caught with things that they weren't supposed to have at my last post, both in their vehicles and in the barracks. Punishments ranged from stern warnings to NJP. The weapons were inevitably shipped off to the depot for demilling and were not returned.

You're not going to be hauled out of your car and summarily executed for bringing a weapon through the gate but the results can be unpleasant regardless. I'd recommend taking another course of action.

As for someone declaring a weapon, what happened depended on the time of day and who was on duty. Technically speaking the security force could've checked the weapon into their evidence locker but they often didn't want to bother and instead, escorted the person to the armory where we'd handle it. If we weren't available they were simply turned away. The only folks who could bring weapons in were personnel on duty with GI equipment and LEO's. LEO's would be asked to check their weapons in but it wasn't a requirement that they did so; anything else and there was paperwork involved.

As I said, it varies from place to place. Your security force will have the best answer.

 

[Wesker]

A lot of you sound exceedingly paranoid, some even condescending.

That aside, it's not my intention to try and buck the system or 'stick it to the man'. Eglin is the LARGEST US military installation on Earth (or in the AF) and as such we own hundreds and hundreds of acers of land and Gulf waters. We have an enormous forest preserve that opens to hunters anually, so it's not uncommon to see long guns during this time of year.

No, there is no clearly posted sign that says no weapons on base, concealed or otherwise. Just a ratty sign informing you that all posessions and persons under your control are subject to search. USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED. Yet no sign stating it's illegal to carry.

Also, those of you spewing from your mouth about federal offences, I LOL at you. Get a clue

EDIT: Desk sergeant said you can't have a gun with you period, but I don't like that answer. No regs quoted or additional info provided that I can consult. Gonna take it up the chain.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Ever notice how folks around here keep saying "We don't need more gun laws, because criminals don't follow them anyway, but the law-abiding people will?" Guess which side you're headed towards?

The success of CCW laws has been a good thing. Best case scenrio if you get caught is you get a slap on the hand and your permit revoked. Worst case scenerio, it gets blown out of proportion. The last thing we need is some over-zealous federal muckity muck to declare that state CCW laws present a threat to homeland security because some pizza delivery boy decided to violate "stupid base regulations."

I can visualize myself being a perfect target for druggies to mug ... My only concern is my safety

In that case, don't deliver pizzas. If delivering pizzas is so dangerous there, perhaps you should look for a different second job.