armoredman
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No, I don't have one or the scratch to buy one any time soon, but for some reason I find it to be an intriguing pistol. Anyone have one that wouldn't mind sharing a story or two?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Has anyone had any experience with a Frommer-Stop?
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No stories. Firing a Frommer Stop (or a Frommer Baby) is not much different from firing any .32 or .380 pocket pistol. The recoil seems to be a bit lighter than some blowback pistols, but not anything to write home about.
As you know, the Frommer Stop and Baby are long recoil pistols, the barrel and bolt recoil, locked together, until reaching the full recoil position, at which the barrel is released to go forward to extract and eject the fired case; when it reaches battery, the bolt is released to move forward and chamber the next round. In other words, just like a Browning Auto 5, except on a small scale.
Until the advent of guns like the Keltec and Ruger LCP, the Frommer Baby was (I believe) the smallest pistol ever made in .380.
Jim
As you know, the Frommer Stop and Baby are long recoil pistols, the barrel and bolt recoil, locked together, until reaching the full recoil position, at which the barrel is released to go forward to extract and eject the fired case; when it reaches battery, the bolt is released to move forward and chamber the next round. In other words, just like a Browning Auto 5, except on a small scale.
Until the advent of guns like the Keltec and Ruger LCP, the Frommer Baby was (I believe) the smallest pistol ever made in .380.
Jim
Monac
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I had a full size Frommer Stop for a while. I never fired it because the bolt return spring was weak and could barely overcome the internal friction to return the bolt, and because the magazine seemed like a loose fit, although it was properly marked - it had a couple of millimeters of vertical play.
Still, the gun made me feel very proud because I managed to field strip it and reassemble it without instructions, just the cutaway drawing in Walter Smith's pistol book.
IMO, it's one of the most ludicrous pistols to ever become a front-line army service gun. 32 ACP and more complicated than a Luger. They would have been better off with FN 1900s.
Still, the gun made me feel very proud because I managed to field strip it and reassemble it without instructions, just the cutaway drawing in Walter Smith's pistol book.
IMO, it's one of the most ludicrous pistols to ever become a front-line army service gun. 32 ACP and more complicated than a Luger. They would have been better off with FN 1900s.
kBob
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That Hungarian guy I can never remember the name of that does those "Cap &Ball" You Tube videos has a video on them I think.
It may be smaller than the Bayard but I have not had the tow together.
edit: Just went over to you tube and searched "Frommer Stop" and got a host of hits from everything from Forgotten weapons to some sort of Potato person
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It may be smaller than the Bayard but I have not had the tow together.
edit: Just went over to you tube and searched "Frommer Stop" and got a host of hits from everything from Forgotten weapons to some sort of Potato person
-kBob
sixshooter357
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Have a Story at one in .32 Auto for you.
Hope my Remembers are ok cause it happened close to 40 years back in the dark....
As far as i remember this gun has no disconector other then a flat ramp on a round pin, it is disconected on overtravel of the trigger.
Came across one, it didnt work cause all intern parts are gummed up with dirt and gunky grease. Disasambled it completly, cleaned and checked all parts, lubed and reassembled it.
As you guessed i mounted the pin the wrong way. After reassembling and dryfiring the gun i put 5 Rounds of the good ol' Geco Brand FMJ 7.65 Browning in and here we go...
Yes, first on target, rest in the wall and ceiling. Daddy was not happy with his son.
Sixshooter
Hope my Remembers are ok cause it happened close to 40 years back in the dark....
As far as i remember this gun has no disconector other then a flat ramp on a round pin, it is disconected on overtravel of the trigger.
Came across one, it didnt work cause all intern parts are gummed up with dirt and gunky grease. Disasambled it completly, cleaned and checked all parts, lubed and reassembled it.
As you guessed i mounted the pin the wrong way. After reassembling and dryfiring the gun i put 5 Rounds of the good ol' Geco Brand FMJ 7.65 Browning in and here we go...
Yes, first on target, rest in the wall and ceiling. Daddy was not happy with his son.
Sixshooter
An interesting thing about that gun is that, like the Roth-Steyr and some other handguns of the period, the whole gun is machined out of a solid billet of steel. And the barrel and barrel extension are also one piece. Those makers treated steel like modeling clay, no stampings, no castings or MIM, no shortcuts. Cost in a low-wage, gold dollar (or pound, mark, lira) economy simply didn't matter.
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armoredman
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Sixshooter, that would have been interesting...
For some reason the weird little thing appeals to me, if someday I can find a shootable example. Willing to bet low power cast powder coated reloads would extend what service life was left considerably.
For some reason the weird little thing appeals to me, if someday I can find a shootable example. Willing to bet low power cast powder coated reloads would extend what service life was left considerably.
sixshooter357
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I dont think shooting it would hurt it. As mentioned before the gun is made out of good material and good workmanship.
As JIM K explaind: the locked system with the long, locked recoil makes it a very save gun, smooth to fire.
I own it still today and a "Baby" version in 9mm Browning also, both are fired from time to time with factory amunition witout any sign of weaknes.
have fun
Sixshooter
As JIM K explaind: the locked system with the long, locked recoil makes it a very save gun, smooth to fire.
I own it still today and a "Baby" version in 9mm Browning also, both are fired from time to time with factory amunition witout any sign of weaknes.
have fun
Sixshooter
speedway
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There is a highly engraved Frommer Stop at a pawn shop near me.
It is beautiful but they want $1500 for it.
It is beautiful but they want $1500 for it.
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armoredman
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Yeah...pass... I pay that much for a pistol at my income level, and it better be able to do laundry.
I pay that much for a pistol at my income level, and it better be able to do laundry.
george burns
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smaller than a seacamp?
sixshooter357
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Please send me seacamp so i can take measurments and pics to post..
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Panzerschwein
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His names is Belosh Nyemet. At least thats how he pronounces it! I have no idea on the spelling. Great videos though.
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armoredman
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I didn't realize that A, there was a Baby Frommer and B, that the Frommer Stop was really that small. Nifty! Now I think I'm going to have to find one for the collection one of these days.
sixshooter357
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That will give you a hard time, i bet.
The one on the Picture was one of only two i put hands on in 40 years of collecting.
And the only one in 9mm short. And the only one that was for sale....
Hope you are in luck
Sixshooter
The one on the Picture was one of only two i put hands on in 40 years of collecting.
And the only one in 9mm short. And the only one that was for sale....
Hope you are in luck
Sixshooter
tipoc
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There are a number of collectors of these pistols.
A decent article on the gun here...
http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Frommer/frommer.html
Another here:
http://www.cruffler.com/historic-august00.html
tipoc
A decent article on the gun here...
http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Frommer/frommer.html
Another here:
http://www.cruffler.com/historic-august00.html
tipoc
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armoredman
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I'd be willing to settle for a Frommer. I think finding one of the full size originals in .32ACP would be just fine, just to have and have fun with, a shooter grade gun. Gun Broker has one with an opening bid of $99...reserve not met. Someday.
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