bushmaster1313
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Lots of Federal 223 and 5.56 at $169.99 and $164.99 at today's gun show in Bensalem, PA, and I got a nice old Weaver K10 60-B.
Unfortunately, not that many guns on display.
Unfortunately, not that many guns on display.
Have ammo prices settled in to a new "normal"?
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MagnunJoe
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15 years ago I regularly purchased 9mm Winchester white box @ Walmart for $9.97 per 100 rounds. Now the same box It goes for $26.97. That's nearly a 200% increase in less than 14 years. Nothing in my lifetime, not ever homeowners insurance in south Florida, has risen that much and fast. That's why I don't shoot as much as I used to.
9.5 years ago that same box was $10.34. So make that ~200% increase in <10 years.
In 1984, 100 rounds of FMJ Winchester 9mm would have run you about $17. That's about $38.50 in today's dollars. Ammo prices are still historically low.
Before the late 80s people could not afford to go out and blast away. Every shot had to count.
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OilyPablo
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.45ACP under $15 box/50:
http://www.freedommunitions.com/dea...=fm45r230r-b0500&utm_campaign=deal-of-the-day
http://www.freedommunitions.com/dea...=fm45r230r-b0500&utm_campaign=deal-of-the-day
Freedom Munitions? No thanks.
blarby
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You too can buy crap for more !
I don't care if freedom was literally giving it away... No Thank You !
I don't care if freedom was literally giving it away... No Thank You !
OilyPablo
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What is wrong with them?
OilyPablo
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Please provide links.
Waaay too many people (not necessarily on THR) reporting failures to fire and inconsistencies and at least one reporting a squib.
ulflyer
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Well POOP! I recently got 10 boxes of 9mm but haven't shot any of it yet. Will report after I've tried some.
HankR
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I think I see the problem. With the kids shooting, they normally only last us one afternoon.
OilyPablo
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Friends and I have shot 1000s with no issues. .223, 9mm and .45ACP. If anything better than generic commercial. I searched the web and see nothing more than any other brand.
Thermactor
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And GECO 45 ACP is not much more expensive for a vastly better product.
OilyPablo
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Nothing wrong with GECO. Their 9mm is powderpuff light.
But no one has posted any truth on bad claims about Freedom. Just some opinions. I will continue to use it and actually have lost some respect for THR posters.
But no one has posted any truth on bad claims about Freedom. Just some opinions. I will continue to use it and actually have lost some respect for THR posters.
Which one?
The RWS Geco 9mm 124gr is rated for 1181 fps. At 124gr that is far from powderpuff, noticeably more felt recoil than typical inexpensive weak American 115gr FMJ
OilyPablo
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Warp said:
GECO Made in Switzerland 124gr. FMJ Bimetal plating, sticks to magnet. Purchased about 3 years ago. I have one box left. Decently accurate. Not RWS.
I have some RWS .45ACP, made in Hungary, not GECO marked and that is VERY hot .45ACP.
3 years ago..I see.
Companies change/merge/acquire.
Presently RWS Geco made in Switzerland 124gr bimetal (gilded) jacket attracks a magent rated 1181 FPS
http://geco-munition.de/en/products/hand-gun-cartridges.html#!95/591/350
http://www.targetsportsusa.com/rws-geco-9mm-ammo-124-grain-fmj-210040050-p-3538.aspx
Interestingly everybody refers to it as RWS Geco including retailers such as Target Sports USA but the box doesn't seem to have RWS listed, exactly, just RUAG and Geco. German company manufactured in Switzerland.
OilyPablo
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I'll need to procure some of the RWS GECO stuff too. $2 box more than Freedom, but not a problem.
Have you actually ever tried Freedom?
Have you actually ever tried Freedom?
Me? No.
I know multiple people who have had failures to fire with it and not other ammo, not to mention the reports that pop up online from various boards and sources.
I try to learn from the mistakes of others. I figure it's kind of like how I haven't burned my hand touching a hot stovetop, but I still know better.
OilyPablo
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I searched online and saw mostly positive reviews. There are a couple threads started by folks who had an issue, but all ammo brands have these. (Some big brands have recalls.) In those couple threads most folks say positive things and in the case of the OP the problem was handled. Oddly I know zero people who have had a problem, and as I stated I have had zero problems since I started buying their ammo in 2012. If I have an issue I will post it here. I won't challenge what your friends tell you, but if something works for me and saves me money, I will continue to use it.
leadcounsel
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Eh, ammo costs aren't really out of line with what they cost a decade or two ago with the exception of .22LR and dried up surplus *when you factor in the cost of inflation!*
Do some quick calculations for yourself and you'll see what I mean. http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
In the 20 years since 1995, inflation has made things generally 1.5 times more expensive.
So many "good old days" threads.
We could play this game all day long.
In 1990, gas was under $1. It's gone as high as $5 in recent years and is now around $2.50.
Milk was $1 a gallon and now is nearly $4 per gallon.
Bread, eggs, and butter have quadrupled in price.
A haircut was $5, now it's $20.
And on, and on, and on.
Things get more expensive due to global and local economic pressures.
But let's also not forget that many awesome things are the same price, 1/2 price, or less.
Many new handguns and rifles are still the same or nearly the same price now as 10-20 years ago, and the police surplus handguns are bargains!
Just bought a new pair of running shoes, better than anything even in production 10 years ago, for $30. These weren't even available a decade ago, but if they were they would have been over $100. Can buy a plasma TV and amazing computing power for a few hundred dollars. Remember spending $8 or $15 on a cassette or a CD? Now music is practically free. You can watch pretty much free television or movies with a little savvy. And you never pay for a long distance call anymore... remember the costs of long distance calls!?
The POINT is that these "good old days" threads always fail to factor in economic factors and pressures... just seem like griping about higher prices and greedy hoarders, etc.
Do some quick calculations for yourself and you'll see what I mean. http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
In the 20 years since 1995, inflation has made things generally 1.5 times more expensive.
So many "good old days" threads.
We could play this game all day long.
In 1990, gas was under $1. It's gone as high as $5 in recent years and is now around $2.50.
Milk was $1 a gallon and now is nearly $4 per gallon.
Bread, eggs, and butter have quadrupled in price.
A haircut was $5, now it's $20.
And on, and on, and on.
Things get more expensive due to global and local economic pressures.
But let's also not forget that many awesome things are the same price, 1/2 price, or less.
Many new handguns and rifles are still the same or nearly the same price now as 10-20 years ago, and the police surplus handguns are bargains!
Just bought a new pair of running shoes, better than anything even in production 10 years ago, for $30. These weren't even available a decade ago, but if they were they would have been over $100. Can buy a plasma TV and amazing computing power for a few hundred dollars. Remember spending $8 or $15 on a cassette or a CD? Now music is practically free. You can watch pretty much free television or movies with a little savvy. And you never pay for a long distance call anymore... remember the costs of long distance calls!?
The POINT is that these "good old days" threads always fail to factor in economic factors and pressures... just seem like griping about higher prices and greedy hoarders, etc.
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Thermactor
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Then I wonder how you feel about BITOGers who don't use Amsoil.
Hey. - if you like your Freedom reloads, you can keep your Freedom reloads. I looked at them hard and close and decided that I'd rather spend one extra dollar for brand new ammo made in Germany. When the German stuff I like is no longer a bargain, the Freedom reloads become more attractive. It's just that commercially-sold reloads by any remanufacturer - be it the guy at a gun show, that infamous Black Rifle reload company that sold messed up 223, or Freedom Arms, are all still running on reused brass. And you don't know where that brass has been, whether it was stepped on, or run from an unsupported chamber Glock and then resized, resulting in a weak case bottom.
Manufacturers don't warranty guns that are loaded up with remanufactured, reloaded rounds either.
From Glock:
From Sig Sauer:
From HK:
From FN:
From DPMS and Hi-Point (same wording):
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OilyPablo
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The 9mm I just bought from Freedom is new brass. I like that they give you the choice. Also this is factory loaded specification made ammo. I believe most of the statements are about home loaded ammo.
Lastly not at all sure what Amsoil has to do with this. Why did you inject that in this thread?
Lastly not at all sure what Amsoil has to do with this. Why did you inject that in this thread?
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