Have you ever sold/bought reloaded ammo?

Littlef said:
Off the ATF website, it states you don't need a license to manufacture for Personal use only. If you are selling your ammo, its gonna be tough to support that its for personal use. Maybe you could win that in a court case, but I'm not banking my life on it. We each choose our own path. Good luck, and God speed.

Is a person who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a manufacturer?​

Yes, if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit.
No, if the person reloads only for personal use.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a) and 923(a); 27 CFR 478.41]
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Right. It says right there if they engage in selling for purpose of livelihood. Same as selling firearms .

Federal law defines all of this further if you get into the details. Such as defining the principle objective being livelihood and that there must be a regular course of trade and so on. (18 USC 921)

People are allowed to liquidate their assets (including firearms and ammo) is the basic point.
 
I used to buy reloaded wadcutters from a local gunshop back in the 70's I guess it was. No idea who actually reloaded them, but I never had any problems. They were just sold in a generic cardboard box with 50 loose rounds to a box. I think they were about $2.50 a box, but if you bought back the brass they were $2.00. I always assumed the shop reloaded them, themselves, but don't know that for sure.
 
VoodooMountain said:
Right. It says right there if they engage in selling for purpose of livelihood. Same as selling firearms .

Federal law defines all of this further if you get into the details. Such as defining the principle objective being livelihood and that there must be a regular course of trade and so on. (18 USC 921)

People are allowed to liquidate their assets (including firearms and ammo) is the basic point.
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Maybe. My opinion and course of action remains unchanged. As I previously stated, maybe you could win that in a court case, but I'm not banking my life on it. We each choose our own path.
 
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Littlef said:
Maybe. My opinion and course of action remains unchanged. As I previously stated, maybe you could win that in a court case, but I'm not banking my life on it. We each choose our own path.
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There wouldn't be a court case was my point.

Federal law allows you to liquidate your own property without any license. The law is clear.

I can't even find any case where this has happened UNLESS the person was specifically and conspicuously selling ammo as a business or strictly for income. (Like the guy who had an internet business selling ammo that was used in the Las Vegas shooting.)

If you can find a case where a person was charged for just liquidating an asset I'd be interested in seeing it.

But yes, I completely understand not selling reloaded ammo for other reasons. And I completely understand the distrust.


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VoodooMountain said:
There wouldn't be a court case was my point.

Federal law allows you to liquidate your own property without any license. The law is clear.

I can't even find any case where this has happened UNLESS the person was specifically and conspicuously selling ammo as a business or strictly for income. (Like the guy who had an internet business selling ammo that was used in the Las Vegas shooting.)

If you can find a case where a person was charged for just liquidating an asset I'd be interested in seeing it.

But yes, I completely understand not selling reloaded ammo for other reasons. And I completely understand the distrust.


Cheers
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Has been noted. I can live with you having a different opinion. I'm not changing how I live my life based on "random internet guy's" interpretation of ATF regulations.
 
There are a few guys who sell their reloads at gun shows here in the NorthEast. I've bought some at one point but I've never been comfortable shooting someone else's reloads. I had my own squib while reloading and always worried about a double charge even though i was careful and that was something I could control. No control with other's reloads so it's a crap shoot I've decided not to tempt fate with.
 
I haven't actually bought or sold any reloads, and in general would not do either. AFAIK it isn't even allowed by the law where I live. But when I bought a Ruger SBH in 44 mag from a small shop where I've done a lot of business, the dealer gave me a couple of dozen reloads made by the previous owner and insured they were OK. I shot them and they were just fine. I have prepared moderate amounts of 7.62x54R reloads for a friend who paid the components. And he has donated me odds and ends of his reloading batches of 308 Win. We trust each other like brothers.
 
Hokkmike said:
Would you ever consider buying somebody else's reloaded ammo and/or have you ever been successful at selling reloads?
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I'd never sell my own reloaded ammo, but yeah, I've bought thousands of rounds of so called "remanufactured" ammo - ammo that was reloaded by commercial reloaders (with the proper licenses) rather than ammo that was reloaded by an individual. "Remanufactured" ammo used to be fairly common at gun shows around here. Of course, that was a while back - maybe there's more money to be made in making beef and buffalo jerky than there is in "remanufacturing" ammo. ;)
 
CajunBass said:
I used to buy reloaded wadcutters from a local gunshop back in the 70's I guess it was. No idea who actually reloaded them, but I never had any problems. They were just sold in a generic cardboard box with 50 loose rounds to a box. I think they were about $2.50 a box, but if you bought back the brass they were $2.00.
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Had the same experience living in NJ. "Star" company, loose in a 50 rd white box. Some of that brass was cracked badly, likely loaded 10+ times. Never a problem. Bought some "commercially reloaded gunshow baggie brand" .223. Not 1 round in the 100 would chamber in any of my guns, likely not resized. That cured me of that insanity even if it was only $15 at the time. Joe
 
I have fired ammo from LAX ammo, 3-D, Ten-X and a few other commercial remanufacturers, but not from folks selling at gun shows or out of their trunk at the range (i saw a guy doing that once!). I’m not big on shooting other folks reloads either.

I did load a box of ammo for a friend several years ago, only because he needed .44 Spl. ammo to qualify for one of his ccw guns and .44 Spl. was nowhere to be found. He reimbursed me, I didn’t make any $$ on it.

Stay safe.
 
I would be a bit uneasy shooting unknown reloads like most.
I don’t see as big of a problem with selling your stock of ammo. The legal question seems resolved as a one-off liquidation. As for safety, I think the key is making it clear what you are selling and who is buying. To another reloader those are good components to be broken down by the buyer.
 
A very long time ago I had my first centerfire pistol, a .38 Special Charter Arms Off Duty. My Dad bought me some reloads from a well known gunshop in town, that even had the name "Custom Ammunition" in the name. When I opened the bag, one was a 357 mag case with the bullet seated below the case mouth and the case crimped over it.
I have gifted reloads to very close people that have asked, but let me tell you I am even more careful with those than making them for me, and I am already anal as all get out over my own stuff.
 
.308 Norma said:
I'd never sell my own reloaded ammo, but yeah, I've bought thousands of rounds of so called "remanufactured" ammo - ammo that was reloaded by commercial reloaders (with the proper licenses) rather than ammo that was reloaded by an individual. "Remanufactured" ammo used to be fairly common at gun shows around here. Of course, that was a while back - maybe there's more money to be made in making beef and buffalo jerky than there is in "remanufacturing" ammo. ;)
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Yeah, there is a guy in Muncy, PA under the name of "Ammo Guy" who does it professionally. I have bought and shot from him. My question, though I didn't word it clearly, was more about private individuals.
 
We use to have a company sponsored Bullseye club at work and my company paid for the ammunition and targets . We shot store bought reloaded wad cutters . Before I new better while shooting once I heard a lower sounding shot and less recoil . I pulled the trigger again and luckily the bullet left the barrel . When I brought the target back I could see how low that round was on the target .

I do give a good friend some of my reloads and I have warned him of the risk of shooting somebody’s reloads and to always wear safety glasses and don’t pull the trigger again if you hear a puff and a lower recoil until you check the barrel . I told him that there is nothing that I can do about the loud noise , that’s the risk you take shooting my reloads . He looked at me funny .
 
I had a bad experience with commercial reloads. A friend of mine shot with me in an impromptu trip to an indoor range. I loaned him my model 10, and he bought the range reloads. He stacked up almost a full cylinder of bullets behind a squib. I've never purchased commercial reloads, let alone from someone who handloads in his garage.

However- I am in need of some soft shooting 45LC. What are these loaded with? If they're light loads with Bullseye, you could double charge it very easily. I can't imagine you could get a double charge with Trail Boss. The worst that could happen is a squib, and I keep a squib rod in my range bag for just such an occasion.
 
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"Remanufactured" ammo is not the same as informally reloaded. I've bought thousands of rounds of remanufactured ammo from George Arms for training purposes and will likely do so again once they get their production back on line.
 
I bought some Georgia Arms .44 magnum ammunition at a gun show years ago before I started reloading my own . On the bag it says new ammunition . I noticed some of the primers are a copper color and some are silver color like I am use to seeing . I guess you can tell that I’ve had them for awhile , look at the price , $19 dollars . IMG_2232.jpeg
 
red rick said:
I bought some Georgia Arms .44 magnum ammunition at a gun show years ago before I started reloading my own . On the bag it says new ammunition . I noticed some of the primers are a copper color and some are silver color like I am use to seeing . I guess you can tell that I’ve had them for awhile , look at the price , $19 dollars . View attachment 1181714
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That's funny. I have the same bag of .44 ammo at home that came with a SBH from trade years ago.
 
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