Have you ever used your sidearm in self defense?

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This is why I got my liscense. I always wanted CCW just too lazy to take time off work to get it. I was working on a friggin VW on the lift when I noticed a car pulling up to the shop. A fellow co-worker was working on a Benz outside the shop door. A girl got out and asked "are you Westley" to my co worker. I guess he said "yea" she motioned to a guy in her car. He came out of the car like a rabid pit bull. Knocked him out and he was limp before I got over to see what was happening. But he was just pounding away on his head as my co-worker layed limp on the concrete. I had my folder open and Ice Pick grip behind my back. I told him to get off of him or I am going to step in. He looked at me and kept on pounding him like I was not even there. I thought for a split second about the reprecussions of counterattacking him with a knife hand to hand, and decided it was best to go to my car and get my pistol. It was only a few yards away. I pulled it from the glove box and chambered a round. When looking down the barrel of a cz-52 the guy finally stopped beating him. He then began to verbally threaten me. I re-assured him that If he made a wrong move I would put him down. This stopped his advance and put him into full retreat back to the car where they sped off. Guys next door at the carwash saw everything and got tag number and called sheriffs. They were picked up later that afternoon. co worker suffered cuncussion and had broken cheekbone. blood in the white of his eye for weeks. He later that month quit. he never told me what it was about and who they were.
 
Well, I just found this thread earlier today and read all 8 pages... (BTW, I've never had to use a weapon to fend off an attacker, so if this is off-topic, please just skip over my post.) Hopefully this doesn't sound crass, but I found them fascinating and wished these accounts had wider circulation. Especially the pizza delivery one about the woman being beaten.

I'm not very big -- 6' 1", but not that muscular. I don't like the idea of confrontation, and I've personally tried to simply stay away from strangers or small groups of people loitering when I'm out alone at night in downtown Dallas. Of course, that would not keep anyone from instigating, but for the most part, I'd like to think I could quickly get to a well-lit location with people, or even outrun someone approaching with a knife, if need be. (I hear of many more stabbings here than shootings.) This may be a protective instinct, but I feel like much less of a target when I'm alone than when I'm with a girl. I guess my reasoning is that she'd be a bigger prize than the $20-40 I carry and the 2 credit cards I can easily cancel. They could have my Palm Treo, too, for all I care. The battery can barely hold a charge, at this point :neener:. That said, my motivation for carrying is far less to protect myself than it is to be able to defend others, which is why I find it encouraging to hear of those who've used their rights to defend not just themselves but others who were defenseless.

Also, I'm thankful for the authors who mentioned their specific locations. One of the posts mentioned a confrontation in the Oak Lawn part of Dallas, which just happens to be right where I work. I usually get off around 7-8pm, so it's usually pretty dark time I head home. I was actually chased there a couple months ago by a big "friendly" guy who wanted me to go home with him. It happens to be a very gay part of town. That time, out-walking him to a cafe was all it took, where he was then asked to leave. I never really saw it as much of a threat, as he was more interested in convincing me to give him a try than using force to overpower me, but the post was a warning that next time may not end so well.

The incident mentioned involved driving and a traffic light. Dallas has some very not-so-friendly drivers, and just yesterday I was repeatedly nearly run off the highway by a couple punk high schoolers. Interesting to consider how the situation may have played out had it taken place in the city, with stop lights.
 
I found it quite ironic to see a headline in the newspaper this morning that right about the time I was typing that post last night where I said that stabbings are more common than shootings around here, one person was killed and four more were injured in a shooting less than a mile from where I work :uhoh:. I'm finding it hard to find a reason NOT to carry.
 
"In IL, you must transport firearms in a locked container that is not accessable to the driver. Anywhere in the cab is considered a nogo. You are also not allowed to carry ammo in the same compartment."

You are wrong sir.

It's 100% legal to transport if -
Unloaded and enclosed in a case
OR
disassembled
OR
inaccesible

You also need to have your unexpired FOID card.

I keep mine unloaded in a case (w magazine) under the seat. Just fine.
 
To those of you who have shared your experiences, thanks.

I usually take the dog with me hiking, as he is protective and not friendly towards strangers. But the stories about the road rage and ATM incidences are enough to make my skin crawl.

Have applied for the CCW, but it can take up to 90 days to get it. In the meantime, I'll have the pepper spray handy.
 
thanks to all for sharing

lurker turned poster..


my story goes to why i decided to arm/buy for myself.

up until this point, i would frequent ranges and rent all types/calibers to find out what i liked fit wis and what i could handle/aim with. but hadn't yet made the plunge.

one day in fall of '92, after getting off work at 11pm Friday night, at the behest of a buddy who was a 2nd year at Penn State, and convinced me to drive to state college that night for a Saturday football game (and normal PennState debauchery). it was brisk, but i found it easy to stay awake by dropping the top on my car (a '67 mustang conv.) the heater in those things kept the front split-buckets toasty, even at 0 degrees, but this was about 40 that night.

from DC went north on 15, then west towards state college.

somewhere along the line, maybe 322 or rt 22, no idea, i realized my 289 was getting thirsty, so as this road was 2 lanes (double yellow line) i didn't have to worry about 'exits' on a highway, just to find a station. which i did, or thought i did.

i saw a Getty sign up on the right (north side) of the road. i pulled in, place was lit up, normal. the gas tank on these cars is in the back under the decklid, so my car was pulled forward pretty far at this pump, one of 4 lanes parallel to the road. one of the downsides of it being so low is you're quite bent over prone taking off the cap staring low.

anyways, it was cold, so i left the car running, figuring this wasn't a flame hazard. i went around back and began filling up. i couldnt' get th 87 grade to pump, so i looked up at the convenience store/booth plexi and saw it empty and a sign "closed" hanging in there.

at that instant a van, going east on that 2 lane road, made a mighty 180 and pulled up behind me at speed, screeching to a halt i was confused and shocked, a bit deer-in-the-headlights at 2am - but when the guys poured out of the van, no grins in sight, i realized this wasn't a frat prank and that animal part of my brain fired and i jumped up onto my trunk like a madman and scrambled over the seats and down into the drivers seat, slamming the gas and power-shifting that poor C4 into Drive. between the squeal of tires on smooth concrete the sound of the metal pump-hose being ripped from the back of car was the first thing i felt, no recollection of feeling the scramble.

so... the fact that the car was running and the top was down is why i made it away unscathed. i kept reliving things. wondering what if the top was up or i would've turned off the engine.

i was 20, so that next year i bought my first handgun a Ruger KGP-101 in 6" barrel, full shroud. small enough grip for my hands, shroud kept recoil down, and like the hammer/cylinder lock methods. great gun.

if i had been carrying and the gun in the car, i think i would've done the same (sped away) not try a gun struggle, not sure if i could've worn on person in PA at the time. but enough reliving, the point was to not be as helpless /next time/.

anyways, the GP-101 did give up it's life for my mustang, had to sell it to fix head gasket blowout but did lead me to my HK USP .40, my current handgun of many years.

most recently, in early 2008, when cutting through DC, from Rt 50 Maryland, i came in to New York avenue, b/c i was once again low on gas. it's a very populated/lit gas station on a huge corner (bladensburg and NY, i think by the checkers) i was on fumes leaving a client site late at night. i chose the 'lane' closest to the main drag. side gas tank, right side car. i see 2 fellas on sidewalk and they separate, one goes around front, one around back. the one around back meets me sooner b/c tank is in back quarter panel of car, obviously. asks for a loan, literally. he says: "i'm thinking you are going to loan me some money". i have my hand on the nozzle, and lucky me, i see he's smoking. i pull nozzle out point it at his face and i ask him if he can ask his friend to not walk up behind me b/c i could get scared and squeeze the pump handle. An eternity about 5 seconds of nothing but cars wizzing by. then the usual, angry talk making me out to be the bad guy (why is it thugs seem to like to blame YOU for the crap they start) saying i was starting $hi+, etc, etc, etc as they walk away.

the maryland laws of my destination and the previous DC laws kept my USP at home that night, but at least the pump of 91 test came in handy (turbo car this time).

my wife is right, i should gas up early and often to avoid situations like these. my naive-ity at 20 for not thinking. and again at 36 for thinking a busy/active well lit area was enough.

thanks to all those who shared and the level headedness they showed by not using additional force when the deterrent effect did it's job.

Hak
 
An incident just occurred that highlights how useless we are without a firearm...

I retired from working a narcotics detection dog as a federal LEO a few years ago, and have since returned to school to pick up a medical license.

Returning from campus along a farming road, four miles from school, and about a mile from any structure, I see a kid of about 6 yrs old being put into a trunk of a vehicle parked on the shoulder of the road.

I started slowing to whip the car around, when I realized that I wouldn't be able to do the kid a bit of good if I got blown away as I pulled my car up to the guy. ( It is of course illegal to carry or store a firearm within a vehicle while on a school campus, so I was unarmed)

I looked back and saw that the guy's head was facing the opposite direction, and so I drove my car off of the road into some trees, within site of his car. I phoned in my location and a description of the perp and vehicle to 911, then waited for the marked units to arrive. About eight minutes later, I see the vehicle pull away from the shoulder and flip around, heading back into the direction of the school.

When he had gotten about 1/2 mile away, I pulled out and followed him until he pulled into a convenience store parking lot.

I notified the dispatcher of his new location, and pulled up to a gas pump pretending to fill up. It took about 4 more minutes before four units arrived on scene simultaneously... one city, one county, and two state vehicles from different agencies.

We found two young kids in the backseat, but the trunk was empty. The guy says that the kids were his grandchildren, and for fifteen minutes he denies having had them in the trunk.

The kid's parents were contacted and verified that the driver was indeed the grandparent, and after getting the kid's story while off by themselves, the guy finally fesses to letting the kids play "Escape" from the trunk... by sealing one inside, and letting the other kid lay the back seat down to allow him to flee from his bondage.
 
Two times without a shot in S. Florida

In 1985 it seemed all the rage among crooks to block the roadway and rob folks. Toss a tire on a rim into the street in front of cars and they stop and turn stupid. Block the road by stopping in front of them, and they wait while they walk back to them to rob them...don't even try to drive around...:confused:

When returning from dinner one evening back then, I was driving my wifes car, with her holding our 5 year old asleep in her lap in the passenger seat. (I know, no comments about the lack of restraints please.) We were in our own development, a reasonably new and nice area, it was late. I NEVER drove her car, but this evening some friends wanted to see it (it was a new model and "cute"), so we drove it. I am not sure what the motivation was for the perps, but it could have ended badly for them.

As we cleared a bridge, a parked car suddenly turned on the brights behind us and roared after us. As the car passed us at very high speed, I hit the brakes fairly hard and stopped. They slammed on their brakes and slid to a stop in front of us - going sideways a little and blocking most of the two lane road a bit in front of us. They had been really flying! I backed away as quickly as I dared in the jeep-style vehicle, as they put it in reverse and gave chase. I told my wife to give me her gun (legally carried in her glove box as we did not yet have concealed carry permits). This was before Marion Hammer got the "shall issue" concealed carry law passed and it was impossible to get a permit in my county. I knew I could not hope to escape them in this car, so I put the rear end on a side street and slid to a stop. They were not able to make a turn at the speed they were going and slid slightly past the front of my car as they stopped, putting them to the left side of me and in front. A blonde teenage boy popped out of the front passenger window holding a gun in a two handed grip and shouted. "This is a stick up!" 20-30 feet in front of the left headlight of my car.:what:

I used to shoot NRA Bullseye for a awhile, and being left handed, the would-be robber was in the perfect place for me to shoot. As I drew down on him I could hear the crickets, the valve train noise - everything so clearly that it was almost surreal. My hand was steady - never was that steady at a match, but now it was rock solid. I could only see the face and hands of the "robber", so that's my point of aim. No choice but to fire before he does with only some glass and aluminum between him and my 5 year old and my wife. I am squeezing the trigger of the .380/1911 look-alike, but it doesn't fire. The hammer is back but- crap the safety is on, of course! I was used to my gun which was revolver and had forgotten! It seemed like an eternity had passed while all this happened, but it was probably a second or two. Being left handed I had to reach around the rear of the gun with my thumb to release the safety, and as I did the movement displayed the gun to the other car more clearly I suppose. There were 4 in the car and from the back seat I heard a young voice shout "He's got a REAL gun!" That word, REAL, saved the blonde boys life, of that I am sure. I had already decided I had to shoot, and in fact had tried to shoot. Better lucky than good for him I guess. Summary ending was no charges, no record for the teenagers. Wonder what they'd have done to my 5'4" 110 pound wife if she was unarmed and alone? They managed to convince everyone that it was just a joke and I overreacted...Did I? The officer who took my report said I was wrong for NOT shooting, but I did what I thought was best at the time. And I know what would have happened to me if I'd popped a kid with a toy gun. "NRA Gun Nut kills unarmed teenager" would have screamed from the front page.

A year later, heading up an entrance ramp to an interstate late at night, the car in front of me suddenly stopped and a large black male exited each side of the car and started walking back towards me. I had stopped 20 to 30 feet behind them. I brought up the Dan Wesson 357 I had with me, and stuck it out the window into the street lights glow. Suddenly, the need to block the road and engage me disappeared I guess, as both men spun on their heels and without a word or gesture walked back to the car and drove away. Another overreaction? Perhaps. But civilized men of good will don't block the road to ask for directions. No report was filed on that one.

Personally I am glad I didn't have to use it either time, and for the "training" I got from these incidents. I know how I'd react because it's how I did react. When it was over I was shaken and shaking, but only after it was over. The adrenaline was pumping and wouldn't quit!

I think the mere presence of the firearm, the ability to take responsibility for my own defense and the tools to do it, avoided me/us being victims and statistics.

I was willing to shoot when I thought it necessary, and now I practice with my carry gun so that "safety issue" won't be an issue. But I'm still glad it was an issue then. Just lucky I guess.

I will add that the police arrived after our second call to them to report the robbery attempt, 45 minutes after the first call. They misunderstood my wife on the first call they said, and besides, there was a homicide reported at almost the same time, and they had only one unit at that moment...When seconds count, the police are only minutes away....or maybe a few more than "a few".....no offense LEO's, but you can't be everywhere.

Nice thread, Not every legal act of self defense involves a shot being fired.
 
2 times

First about 10 years ago. My wife and I were sleeping and were woke up at 3:30am by someone banging on our front door. I grabbed her S&W .357 Magnum and snuck downstairs. I peered out the sidelight of the door and saw a scruffy looking character with a crowbar. My guess was he was trying to break in. I yelled at him to leave but he kept banging on the door. I told him I had a gun and was calling the police. He hesitated about leaving until I showed the gun through the glass and then he took off like a bat out of h**l.

2nd time was last summer. Our son had been sexually abused by a neighbor and was threatened by being shot. We had a permanent protection order and were in the process of moving when I see the abuser walk towards our house. I went to get my loaded .40 semi-automatic and continued to observe the pervert walk towards our house. I told my wife to call 911 and I stepped out on the porch and pulled the weapon out from my holster. I told him in no uncertain terms that if he came any closer, his days were over. I can't tell you how much I wanted to pull the trigger but my senses got the better part of me. The police showed up and hauled his ass away as he was violating his probation.
 
We were at my brother-in-laws in Essex Maryland for my father-in-laws 75 birthday party, a bunch of old people eating cake and drinking punch in lawn chairs. My brother-in-law has a little miniature poodle that was out loose in the yard with us when out of nowhere a big dalmation runs out of the woods behind the house and snatches the poodle up and starts ripping it a new one right at our feet! Hells bells! I jumped up and hit it twice with the plastic lawn chair I was sitting in and it did not even phase this evil spotted demon dog hell bent on shaking the little poodle into two pieces. I am almost never without a gun and had a Kel-Tec .380 with a clip of Cor-Bon's fantastic JHP's in it, I took a step towards the dog and shot him almost point blank in the ribs at a "best as I could figure" downward angle, that made him let go of the poodle, yelp once and turn to look at me, when he did that I shot him again right between the eyes and he fell dead as a doorknob at my feet, literally, kind of a bang-bang event. Everyone was sort of freaked out and several of the people not even ten feet away asked "What happened"? My father-in-law very quietly says, "Good Job Jerry, SOB would have killed that poodle" In the excitement of the dogfight they somehow missed two very loud gunshots in a semi-residential neighborhood not ten feet from the gun. The people with good hearing were the ones who failed to hear the gunshots! I thought it was really strange but I guess them being so upset at seeing this little timid dog that was just minutes earlier being tossed around in the jaws of this dalmatian from hell had them situationally numbed. After the smoke cleared I immediately asked , "Is Everyone OK?" hearing the affirmative I said "if its all the same to you and the cops happen NOT to show up, this dog does not have any tags, I will get a shovel from the garage and take him back where he came from. I don't have a Maryland carry permit and really did not want to deal with it. If it were a person involved I would have not had a choice in notify them but one less mean dog in this world would not be missed. That was one of the craziest damned things I have ever been party to.

We lived on Kodiak Island for almost 13 years and I was chased twice by brown bears, in the hundreds of times I went afield and stream this aint bad. I had to draw down my deer rifle (bigger deer guns up there for obvious reasons) a .375 H&H on one not twenty feet away who smelled the bloody pack of deer meat on my back, he yawned, snapped his jaws twice and barked at me before he tore up a couple of pieces of tundra with its claws before turning around and taking off in the opposite direction that my two "Buddies" ran, one friend did however say he "Had me covered" with his .300 Win mag from 100 yards away that is...I swear no matter how many times your "Buddies" say "BEAR!" up there it is still a very viable joke...I will try to take my friends more serious from now on when they tell me things :evil: PS: I would have gladly given up the pack frame but was scared to lower the rifle to do it, talk about your "Catch-22's"...

Bear #2 Was walking down the opposite riverbank when I saw a big mature bear on the other side, as is customary, I hollered to let it know I was nearby. Imagine my complete surprise when he ran straight and fast into the Buskin River directly towards me standing in 2 and a half feet of swiftly running water. It was in the piece of river right behind the Kodiak Island airport that he ran me out of there in my waders, back pedaling the whole way with one hand on my flyrod the other on a S&W .44 Mountain Gun. Sadly ADF&G ended up putting that one down after my wife who worked at the hotel nearby called to complain about it, aguhaaaain. It was the 3rd time in 5 days that this cranky old boar had exhibited very anti-human tendencies and was not willing to leave his fishing hole. People walked their kids and dogs daily right where this happened.

This one is scarier than the bear stories;

My Wife some seven months pregnant and I were in bed one Saturday morning when a strange van comes up our driveway and stops. We lived at the end of a 1/2 mile long dirt road that dead ended at our house and the water. Many times people are just cruising around and turn around and leave when they see that it is a private residence, having completely missed the signs advising them of such on their way in..I always give them the benefit of the doubt...This one was different, I hear the sliding glass door to our deck and dining room open, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? I tell my wife to stay put and be quiet, I grabbed that same old .44 out of the nightstand and quietly walked down the stairs, looking around the corner of the stairwell there was a foreign looking fellow and a little boy in the middle of my dining room looking towards our kitchen, a loud "Do I know you?" caused him to jump and turn around. About the time he turned to see me standing in my underwear with a bad case of bed-hair and the hammer going back on that .44 next to my hairy right thigh. When he saw that his eyes widened and I said *** are you and what are you doing in my house? He pretended to say he made a mistake and that he thought "His friend" lived here. I gave him a quick and not so polite invitation to get out of my dining room and off of my property, he and the little boy he had with him back-pedaled it out of my dining room onto the deck where they then turned around and ran for their van, when the van turned to leave I was looking to copy its license numbers...Eerily there was a towel draped over the plate, when I saw that I took off running after them fully intending to hold him at gunpoint until the cops showed, I pointed that .44 at the right rear tire slinging gravel and had the hammer so far back on a DA pull that the sear must have been hanging by surface tension when I decided against shooting at it, if that little boy of 5 or 6 was not in there it may have turned out differently....Scared my wife to death when I told her that the plate was covered up. I ran in and called the KPD and gave them all the info I had and they told me that a common ruse or MO for burglars to lend legitimacy to their presence will be to bring a small child along to sort of remove suspicion if you will. I can guarantee you if I were not home that day he would be dead, my wife is a non-bs individual and when I am not home she stays in the "Orange", she is of the firm opinion that dead people cannot sue you as readily as a wounded assailant can...This little seed was planted by none other than the Kodiak Island Borough DA who spoke at their "Shooters with Hooters" monthly tea...Luckily he only exchanged words with the more amiciable and polite Alabama boy half of the household :D
 
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Nope, not yet. Only been licensed to carry for a couple years though, hope it never happens. I work in downtown Denver, so there's always a chance. Especially with a busy bus stop right at the entrance to my parking garage.

I was in a 7-11 one night in the late '70's when it was robbed, but I was unarmed and the situation wouldn't have allowed using a gun anyway, there were two terrified female clerks between me and the BG. I just turned back around to the magazine rack and looked the other way, he took the money and a 6-pack of beer and boogied.

In Syracuse, NY once, I parked at a curb once to go into a camera shop. As I crossed the sidewalk, I crossed the path of a very violent-looking black man, who hollered at me "hey, you white ************, I'ma gonna **** you up!" This caught me by surprise, of course, since there was no other interaction between us, and he was 20 feet away. I'll never forget that he had a "crazy eye", his left eye was looking way off to the left while his right was looking right at me. I stepped into the shop, and he kept rambling down the sidewalk. Only time I can really recall when I really wish I'd been armed, just in case. And that was 20 years ago.
 
I don't have anything that has happened directly to me, but when I was about 15 there were some guys hunting illegally on our family's farm. My dad waited for the guys to come back to their truck and told them that they had to leave and were not allowed to come back. One of the guys set his rifle across the hood of his truck pointed directly at my dad. He told my dad that he was going to hunt there and there was nothing he could do about it while his finger was on the trigger.

My dad stepped around to the same side of the truck as the guy, pulled a big Bisley Blackhawk .41 Mag from his side, stuck the barrel up the guy's nose and calmly informed him that he would not be hunting there anymore.

Needless to say they left quickly and never came back.
 
Some friends of mine and I were out playin' around in the snow on a mountain top in the middle of the night when we drove to a radio tower that I had been to before. The tower is on public land, but there is a gate that doesn't allow vehicles to drive within 50 yards of it. Unlike times I had been there before, there was a travel trailer parked inside the gate. We stayed by the gate and were approached by a very friendly canine. Soon after, the dog's owner approached with one hand behind his back. My friend Matt was petting the dog, and was asked not to. When Matt said the dog had come to him, the unfriendly owner announced that if he touched the dog again he would "blow his hand off". At this point I walked back to my Jeep, retrieved my pistol, and racked the slide. My brother, who was also armed, said the guys eyes got as big as quarters when he heard that sound, but he stayed put. That was when my brother racked the slide on his pistol, which sent the fellow up the hill, away from his trailer, running a zig-zag pattern through the scrub brush. We immediately vacated the area, and are glad to be able to laugh about it today.
 
After a day and evening of racing shifter karts at the F1 track in Miami my son and I headed home to west Palm. On the way we stopped near the old Jai Lai at a Burger King. Got our order and attempted to pull out onto the roadway but our exit attempt was blocked by a bunch of thugs that demanded our money and food.Lucky for us my son had his gun in his lap and after he showed them the wrong end of the 44 magnum they backed off and we left. I am sure they would not have been satified with just our money and food after they found out what was in our inclosed trailer. We will never go back to Miami.
 
never had to draw(not old enough to carry) but me and my buddies went camping, they went to go get some wood for our fire and left me at the camp making the fire. 4 guys all tatted up on 4 wheelers drive up see one vehicle and one guy and put 2 and 2 together. the guy starts to say "hey dude your going to... "
then my friends come back two with sks's and one with an ak, finishes his sentence "... have a nice day." and they drove away.
 
but I kicked it in the face instead.

i know its not funny when it comes to your kids, but the way you worded that sentance made me crack up. i just visualized kicking a dog in the face and what that would be like and couldnt help but chuckle.
Sorry :(
 
No.

I recently (last week) had my first "Ok, I might have to shoot this guy" situation, but it ended well.

A guy on the bus, who was apparently mentally-ill, murmured extremely violent things for quite a while. Judging by what I heard him say, I could safely deduce that he had either a criminal history or a tendency to imagine extremely violent situations in which he acted out violent acts.

I moved seats and he did also. I realized he was playing with a pocket knife, and still murmuring these things while seated no more than 10 feet away. As he stood up and stomped on the floor, I had a solid, unimpeded grip on my gun, out of the view of everybody on the bus.

He never even made eye contact with me, but that's as far as it went. Still far too close for comfort. I hope I'm never put in a situation that dangerous again.
 
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Not to take anything away from your experience, I see a fellow with Tourettes in several spots around my town. It is an odd disease.

He makes mostly menacing mumbling, never had him appear to have any weapon though.
 
It definitely could have been Tourette's. People tend to associate loud outbursts more with the disease than quiet mumbling, but I could see it.

Either way, combining it with sudden movements and weapons is a bad idea. :eek:
 
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I woulda had my hand on my gun the whole time too...

Once I was at a store waiting in line for some free samples with my wife, a fellow comes by, makes eye contact with me then looks around and starts to work on coming in behind me, I would turn a little as he tried to get into my blind spot... while keeping his eyes on me... then I just turned and looked at him and smiled... he kinda got an upset look on his face and ran away... it was really weird.

Also, I have seen people that seemed to be on something and fumbling around with crap in their pockets following people around... I always just assume meth or some other drug.
 
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Have had a couple close calls at work. My brother shot a guy in the back at 40yards with a 223.

He had committed a robbery and had the clerk in a headlock using her as a shield/hostage. He had a fake gun to her head saying he was gonna kill her if they didnt back down. He was dragging her across the parking lot.

He came up from behind with his AR and was the only one with a shot.

I got there about 1minute later. He was using a TAP round. Guy lived but dropped when shot. He received 4 life terms. Also had 27,000 in cash from the robbery.
 
Age 22 - 4 guys (I think under the influence) in a speeding car nearly hit my car on a neighborhood road just after midnight on a Saturday night. They decided to pull me over and got out of the car each holding a baseball bat or club of some sort. I got out of the car in my 80s Disco outfit and drew my CZ-75, they were off before I could chamber a round.

Age 23 – Defended my girl friend getting raped. Was the only day I ever left my firearm at home. Ever. I used the attackers' own knife on him and was very lucky to come out of it alive. Have permanent damage to my left hand because of a stab wound.

Age 32 – Was harassed by 3 guys while fishing on a beach pier, the fourth tried to steal my tackle box. CZ again stopped the crime and police arrested them 20 min later. Fired 3 warning shots which attracted the attention of nearby holiday makers, who came to help.

Age 35 – Fishing again, this time my son and I got bombarded by a group of youths throwing rocks at us. Then one pulled a pistol out and started shooting. I let the shooter have it with my 44 Mag. Fight was over in 4 rounds. Police was hot on the heels of this gang for weeks and they were wanted for various crimes, again a lucky escape because if we did not anchor the boat 20m from the shore we had no fighting chance.

From age 40 – Lucky few nights. I was able to hear burglars/robbers before they managed to get access into my house. 5 Million candle power handheld spotlight and Walther P99 chassed them off. To give people an idea, in my neighborhood we have had 6 robbers and 2 residents were shot in last 2 months (January - Fenruary 2009). We have 24hr armed security and access control to our road.
 
A few years ago (when we could not legally carry in TN unless the county sheriff felt you had a need), I took my 10 yr. old son to the state fair at night. Just to be on the safe side, I illegally stuck my Charter Arms 38 special in my pocket. The parking lot was crowded when we arrived and we had to park some distance away. However, I wasn't too concerned because the state fair was generally well-patrolled and a reasonably safe parking area.

When we decided to head home, we started back to the now pretty much empty parking lot and for some reason I had a very uneasy feeling about that deserted parking lot. I pulled my gun out and covered it with a jacket thrown over my arm. As we neared our car, this guy comes from behind one of the few cars left and remarks in slurred speech, "you are the guy that called the cops on me for drinking!" I replied, "Not me, guy" and got between him and my son. He continued toward us, saying "yeah, it had to be you".

At that point, I pulled the jacket back enough for him to see the end of the gun barrel and told him to back off or else get shot. He then retreated and his speech pattern was totally sober, apologizing as he retreated. I kept him backed off while we both got in the car and quickly left the area.

I have no doubt that he was intent on a strong-arm robbery and was using the drunken act to just get a little closer. He was within about 2 seconds from being shot and it would not have been good for me. At that time, TN had no exceptions to the no-carry law, even in self defense. I didn't care - to protect my son, I would have served whatever sentence that wanted to give me.

Thankfully, now not only are we a "shall issue" law, the law says you cannot be charged with illegally going armed (no carry permit) if you use a gun in legitimate self defense. How times have changed!
 
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