Have you seen the new Buffalo Bore 9mmP +p and +p+ loads?!!?

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:what: Buffalo Bore ammo specs.

The 147 +P+ looks very interesting. The pressure has got to be harsh
though. I don't think that I will be shooting any of this in my Hi
Power.

Item 24A/20: (+P+) 115gr. Gold Dot @ 1400 fps 500 ft. lbs. Per Box
of 20 $18.99

Item 24B/20: (+P+) 124gr. Gold Dot @ 1300 fps 461 ft. lbs. Per Box
of 20 $18.99

Item 24C/20: (+P+) 147gr. Gold Dot @ 1175 fps 451 ft. lbs Per Box of 20 $18.99

Item 24D/20: (+P) 115gr. Gold Dot @ 1300 fps 431 ft. lbs. Per Box of 20 $18.99

Item 24E/20: (+P) 124gr. Gold Dot @ 1225 fps 413 ft. lbs. Per Box of 20 $18.99


The 'Heavy' 40S&W + p and 10mm loads are pretty rude too.

Danny
 
Um, wow....

Leave it to Buffalo Bore to drive the 9mm to such extreme velocities as to make Gold Dots frangible.

Thanks for the link!
 
Whoa, move out of the way Corbon!

Buffalo Bore ammo:


357MAG: 125 gr. JHC (1700 fps ME 802 ft lbs.)

40SW +P: 155gr. Gold Dot @ 1300 fps (582 ft. lbs.)

9mm: (+P+) 115gr. Gold Dot @ 1400 fps 500 ft. lbs.


Making a 40SW +P is really pushing it. :what:

Those 357MAG numbers are amazing. :what:
 
why are the gold dot velocities out of the 4" faster than the 5"?

2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun


c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Gold Dot = 1485 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Gold Dot = 1603 fps

3. 5 inch S&W model 27


c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Gold Dot = 1457 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Gold Dot = 1543 fps
 
Most likely it is just due to differences in the cylinder gap between the two guns, but if the testing was done at different times/temp/alltitude that could account for it also.
 
There is such a variety of 9mm pistols in public use that we will not determine what guns are compatible with which 9mm loads. It is up to you to determine the compatibility of any ammo with your particular pistols.
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Soooooo, does this mean that IF you find out that your 9mm pistol is INCOMPATIBLE with their ammo, in the extreme (read KB), they are going to leave you hanging with a sore hand, a useless gun, or worse!! :eek:
Keep in mind, they want you to actually buy a box and try their product in order to determine compatability"!!!!! :banghead:

That instills confidence in me, by golly!!! :rolleyes:

Thanks, but no thanks!!

I see the lawyers eyeballing the latest Bimmer and drooling, because of this!!! :evil:
 
Call me a prude, but I'd like to see the pressure specs on those 9MM loads...I mean, I could load ammos to those velocities if I wanted to, and powder is relatively cheap-doing it without blowing up guns is the trick.


Larry
 
I am very curious about the pressures myself. I don't think that there is a formally defined upper limit in 9mm +P+. I suspect that those would destroy a lot of 'lesser' 9mm autos in short order (maybe not KB, but would beat them to pieces). I bet a Glock 19/USP/Ruger P89 would hold up fine, but can you imagine these in a Haskell/Stallard, or in an old Astra 600??

I wish they would do a 147 GDHP +p at about 1075-1100fps. That would be plenty for me.
 
I'm surprised they don't list the pressures on the website.

I wonder how many people are going to look at those ammo spec and suddenly think that a Ruger P Series 9mm looks a bit less ugly and clunky... ;)
 
The 9mm can hold its own if loaded right. They are essentially putting you close to .357SIG range, with a higher capacity round, and a similar level of recoil.
 
9mm +p+ is not a SAAMI spec, so there is no limit on what pressures it can be. Also since it isn't a spec, there is also no way to know based on other manufacturers just how hot a round will really be.

To me, it just isn't worth shooting ammo that is not in spec, that includes so called +p in .40s&w since that isn't an official spec either...

the reality is if you are not comfortable with the 9mm as a manstopper then no of +++P+++ wonder round is going be the solution, get a .357sig... all that is going to do is make things MORE dangerous for the shooter. Same goes for the .40 if you really think it is "short and Weak" then buy a 10mm and shoot real loads...
 
I've loaded the little 9mm to some insane velocities, and it copes with the added pressure better than most would think....
 
Might have to stick an extra recoil buffer in there to stop the battering before shooting any of these loads.
If Buffalo Bore keeps reducing the size of calibers they offer they, won't be "Strictly Bore" much longer.
 
Im not at all suprised, they want you to buy it.
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I guess that makes me unusual. I won't fire a +P+ load until I've checked the ammo maker's pressure spec against the firearm maker's pressure spec.
 
I guess that makes me unusual. I won't fire a +P+ load until I've checked the ammo maker's pressure spec against the firearm maker's pressure spec.
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Same here. I think the reason they dont list their pressure numbers is because the reaction would be something like this :eek: .

Firearms manufactures rate their weapons for commercial IN-SPEC ammunition only. The only reason to place +p+ onto a headstamp is to indicate that the ammunition is NOT within industry standard specifications.
 
I'm not familiar with Buffalo Bore, though I think I've seen it being sold at the Midway USA website. Do they have a good reputation for their ammo, or are they an "off brand" with questionable quality control, etc. Not company bashing, just trying to find out about them :confused:

ps I do recognize there are smaller companies with good reputations, ie. doubletap, etc.
 
They're a good company--every bit as good as good as Double Tap.
 
Tman,

It's not really a matter of ammo quality. FWIW, I believe Buffalo Bore ammo is as good as anyone elses. However, even very high quality ammo can blow up a gun if it is designed to produce more pressure than the gun can tolerate.

A perfect example is the Hirtenberger 'L7A1' 9mm round. People have gotten the idea that it's "Bad Ammo" because it's not safe to fire in pistols. On the contrary, it's very good ammo, it's just loaded to a pressure spec that is higher than most pistols are designed to tolerate.
 
I'm not familiar with Buffalo Bore, though I think I've seen it being sold at the Midway USA website. Do they have a good reputation for their ammo, or are they an "off brand" with questionable quality control, etc. Not company bashing, just trying to find out about them
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By all accounts they are an excellent company, and they make some unique and usefull products that few others are willing to try. I do not agree with the +p+ concept, but that doesnt mean they are a bad company. They made their reputation by pushing the envelope and getting good results in so doing.

I would like to know if BB has placed any comment on which weapons are safe with this ammunition (kinda like the ruger-only .44mag etc).
 
Aren't most modern bullets (Gold Dots, for instance) optimized for standard velocities? Like Snowdog said, won't overdriving them essentially result in sub-optimal performance?

I personally feel that a 9mm 124gr GD running about 1200 FPS MV or a 115gr going 1300 is about as good as the 9 gets. If you can't put your faith in that maybe you need a bigger cartridge...
 
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