Heads-up Ammo Is Flying Out The Door!

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wow, your dealer can beat online prices? that must be nice because online is easily 30-200% cheaper than anything i can get locally aside from wally world 22LR value packs
 
I wish I could get fair ammo prices locally.
On .22LR and 9mm I usually do OK locally but an awful lot of that has come from Wal-mart too.

For 7.62x51 they usually don't have what I want and have no interest in getting it in.
I always ask locally at my "favorite" shop first - "Hey, I'm planning to get 500 rounds of 7.62x51. Figuring shipping, I can get it online for $XXX. If you guys can get close to that I'd rather buy it from you."
They've never taken me up on that offer.

Often they'll politely suggest I try out "this" ammo that they have instead of trying to get some of "that stuff".

I really do prefer to support local businesses, but I also can't afford to overpay by 40%.
 
The demand for ammunition has spiked in this area, as well as reloading components. One local store got in a shipment of cast pistol bullets for the first time in 3 months...and the shelves were nearly bare in three days. He hasn't been able to get another shipment because the caster can't find the lead he needs to carry his bullets to other states, and has cut back to his local customers in Alabama.

Things are tough all over.
 
locally I find some dealers try to rip you off with ammo.

My favorite was once seeing a 50 round box of Federal HST for $75.

I feel really bad for whoever paid that.
 
The USPS dude just dropped off this month's shipment; 4000 125gr .355 cast bullets. No point in casting yet when I can still get fully-formed bullets delivered for five cents apiece.
 
Ammoman is a company that has a history of cheating and/or mistreating their customers

Can you post numerous examples and proof to back it up? I'm not saying you're lying, but as it stands you're one guy making an unsubstantiated claim

I've placed numerous orders with Ammoman. Always satisfied. He's not like some moron who won't ship to CA or demands a copy of your license to ship like AIM does.

I like AIM, MidwayUSA, and others and I like Ammoman.

Unless you can back up your claim, I'd just sit this one out.
 
Just watch your blood lead levels.

Casting is not dangerous unless you do it in a completely unvented environment with no regards to safety.

It is more dangerous to tumble and separate your brass indoors, due to the lead dust in the primers.
 
Ammoman has done good by me. I've bought a few thousand rounds from him. Prompt shipping and no screwups on the charge card or anything. I think he is most competitive on premium ammo.

I think some people may feel mislead if they do not read the descriptions and think they are getting premium ammo and actually get factory seconds or something. But Eric makes it pretty plan on his web site what each of the offerings are. If you see a really low price on some premium ammo then re-read the description and look for the boldface type!

Also bought from Ammunition to Go with excellent service.

I have not seen bare ammo shelves, but everyone I know is stocking up this year, even with prices doubled. I'm up more than 1,200 in the last couple of months and looking for some cast bullets at the next show.
 
So you had a bad experience and now they have a "history?"

Anytime I have bought from them, it has been the best price I could find by a good amount and I received it within 2-3 days.

I'll be a life long Ammoman customer.

Actually, the two times that I have ordered from them, I had no problems, but there have been documented problems with them in the past, however. If they had the cheapest prices on the internet, or if they were selling something that I needed and could not find somewhere else, then I could see a reason for doing business with them, but that is not the case. There are other companies out there selling the same items at the same price (or less, even after shipping) that have a sterling reputation for both integrity and customer service; all things being equal, I would rather give those companies my money. Your loyalty to Eric and his company is touching; I hope you never encounter a situation that will put it to the test.
 
Can you post numerous examples and proof to back it up? I'm not saying you're lying, but as it stands you're one guy making an unsubstantiated claim

I've placed numerous orders with Ammoman. Always satisfied. He's not like some moron who won't ship to CA or demands a copy of your license to ship like AIM does.

I like AIM, MidwayUSA, and others and I like Ammoman.

Unless you can back up your claim, I'd just sit this one out.


I'm not really trying to drag their name through the dirt, I just wanted to let people know that there are possibly better companies to deal with... however, here is an old thread at thefiringline dealing with them:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96738

and something from THR's archives:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=296001
 
Actually, the two times that I have ordered from them, I had no problems, but there have been documented problems with them in the past, however. If they had the cheapest prices on the internet, or if they were selling something that I needed and could not find somewhere else, then I could see a reason for doing business with them, but that is not the case. There are other companies out there selling the same items at the same price (or less, even after shipping) that have a sterling reputation for both integrity and customer service; all things being equal, I would rather give those companies my money. Your loyalty to Eric and his company is touching; I hope you never encounter a situation that will put it to the test.

So, you operate on hearsay?

My experiences with Ammoman have been first rate. This is not hearsay. It was actually me.
 
I'm not really trying to drag their name through the dirt, I just wanted to let people know that there are possibly better companies to deal with

Even though it's never happened to you?

This is the Internet. I can find someone somewhere that has complained about just about everything.

I've even read 3 page gripe posts about Midway and that's probably THE best customer service on the planet, gun stuff or otherwise.
 
What the heck happened since two days ago? I was in Wally World and there was plenty of ammo and the prices were still decent.
People, all comodities are going up, there is a world shortage of many commodities including certain grains, metals and fuels, it's not just ammo
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23781864/
Food prices are rising all over the world
From rice in Peru to miso in Japan, food prices are rising all over the world
The Associated Press
updated 3:43 p.m. MT, Mon., March. 24, 2008
MEXICO CITY - If you’re seeing your grocery bill go up, you’re not alone.

From subsistence farmers eating rice in Ecuador to gourmets feasting on escargot in France, consumers worldwide face rising food prices in what analysts call a perfect storm of conditions. Freak weather is a factor. But so are dramatic changes in the global economy, including higher oil prices, lower food reserves and growing consumer demand in China and India.

The world’s poorest nations still harbor the greatest hunger risk. Clashes over bread in Egypt killed at least two people last week, and similar food riots broke out in Burkina Faso and Cameroon this month.

But food protests now crop up even in Italy. And while the price of spaghetti has doubled in Haiti, the cost of miso is packing a hit in Japan.

“It’s not likely that prices will go back to as low as we’re used to,” said Abdolreza Abbassian, economist and secretary of the Intergovernmental Group for Grains for the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization. “Currently if you’re in Haiti, unless the government is subsidizing consumers, consumers have no choice but to cut consumption. It’s a very brutal scenario, but that’s what it is.”

No one knows that better than Eugene Thermilon, 30, a Haitian day laborer who can no longer afford pasta to feed his wife and four children since the price nearly doubled to $0.57 a bag. Their only meal on a recent day was two cans of corn grits.

“Their stomachs were not even full,” Thermilon said, walking toward his pink concrete house on the precipice of a garbage-filled ravine. By noon the next day, he still had nothing to feed them for dinner.

Their hunger has had a ripple effect. Haitian food vendor Fabiola Duran Estime, 31, has lost so many customers like Thermilon that she had to pull her daughter, Fyva, out of kindergarten because she can’t afford the $20 monthly tuition.

Fyva was just beginning to read.

In the long term, prices are expected to stabilize. Farmers will grow more grain for both fuel and food and eventually bring prices down. Already this is happening with wheat, with more crops to be planted in the U.S., Canada and Europe in the coming year.

However, consumers still face at least 10 years of more expensive food, according to preliminary FAO projections.

Among the driving forces are petroleum prices, which increase the cost of everything from fertilizers to transport to food processing. Rising demand for meat and dairy in rapidly developing countries such as China and India is sending up the cost of grain, used for cattle feed, as is the demand for raw materials to make biofuels.

What’s rare is that the spikes are hitting all major foods in most countries at once. Food prices rose 4 percent in the U.S. last year, the highest rise since 1990, and are expected to climb as much again this year, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

As of December, 37 countries faced food crises, and 20 had imposed some sort of food-price controls.

For many, it’s a disaster. The U.N.’s World Food Program says it’s facing a $500 million shortfall in funding this year to feed 89 million needy people. On Monday, it appealed to donor countries to step up contributions, saying its efforts otherwise have to be scaled back.

In Egypt, where bread is up 35 percent and cooking oil 26 percent, the government recently proposed ending food subsidies and replacing them with cash payouts to the needy. But the plan was put on hold after it sparked public uproar.


“A revolution of the hungry is in the offing,” said Mohammed el-Askalani of Citizens Against the High Cost of Living, a protest group established to lobby against ending the subsidies.

In China, the price hikes are both a burden and a boon.

Per capita meat consumption has increased 150 percent since 1980, so Zhou Jian decided six months ago to switch from selling auto parts to pork. The price of pork has jumped 58 percent in the past year, yet every morning housewives and domestics still crowd his Shanghai shop, and more customers order choice cuts.

The 26-year-old now earns $4,200 a month, two to three times what he made selling car parts. And it’s not just pork. Beef is becoming a weekly indulgence.

“The Chinese middle class is starting to change the traditional thought process of beef as a luxury,” said Kevin Timberlake, who manages the U.S.-based Western Cattle Company feedlot in China’s Inner Mongolia.

At the same time, increased cost of food staples in China threatens to wreak havoc. Beijing has been selling grain from its reserves to hold down prices, said Jing Ulrich, chairwoman of China equities for JP Morgan.

“But this is not really solving the root cause of the problem,” Ulrich said. “The cause of the problem is a supply-demand imbalance. Demand is very strong. Supply is constrained. It is as simple as that.”

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao says fighting inflation from shortages of key foods is a top economic priority. Inflation reached 7.1 percent in January, the highest in 11 years, led by an 18.2 percent jump in food prices.

Meanwhile, record oil prices have boosted the cost of fertilizer and freight for bulk commodities — up 80 percent in 2007 over 2006. The oil spike has also turned up the pressure for countries to switch to biofuels, which the FAO says will drive up the cost of corn, sugar and soybeans “for many more years to come.”

In Japan, the ethanol boom is hitting the country in mayonnaise and miso, two important culinary ingredients, as biofuels production pushes up the price of cooking oil and soybeans.

A two-pound bottle of mayonnaise his risen about 10 percent in two months to as much as 330 yen (nearly $3), said Daishi Inoue, a cook at a Chinese restaurant.

“It’s not hurting us much now,” he said. “But if prices keep going up, we have no choice but to raise our prices.”

Miso Bank, a restaurant in Tokyo’s glitzy Ginza district, specializes in food cooked with miso, or soybean paste.

“We expect prices to go up in April all at once,” said Miso Bank manager Koichi Oritani. “The hikes would affect our menu. So we plan to order miso in bulk and make changes to the menu.”

Italians are feeling the pinch in pasta, with consumer groups staging a one-day strike in September against a food deeply intertwined with national identity. Italians eat an estimated 60 pounds of pasta per capita a year.

The protest was symbolic because Italians typically stock up on pasta, buying multiple packages at a time. But in the next two months pasta consumption dropped 5 percent, said farm lobbyist Rolando Manfredini.

“The situation has gotten even worse,” he said.

In decades past, farm subsidies and support programs allowed major grain exporting countries to hold large surpluses, which could be tapped during food shortages to keep prices down. But new trade policies have made agricultural production much more responsive to market demands — putting global food reserves at their lowest in a quarter century.

Without reserves, bad weather and poor harvests have a bigger impact on prices.


“The market is extremely nervous. With the slightest news about bad weather, the market reacts,” said economist Abbassian.

That means that a drought in Australia and flooding in Argentina, two of the world’s largest suppliers of industrial milk and butter, sent the price of butter in France soaring 37 percent from 2006 to 2007.

Forty percent of escargot, the snail dish, is butter.

“You can do the calculation yourself,” said Romain Chapron, president of Croque Bourgogne, which supplies escargot. “It had a considerable effect. It forced people in our profession to tighten their belts to the maximum.”

The same climate crises sparked a 21 percent rise in the cost of milk, which with butter makes another famous French food item — the croissant. Panavi, a pastry and bread supplier, has raised retail prices of croissants and pain au chocolat by 6 to 15 percent.

Already, there’s a lot of suspicion among consumers.

“They don’t understand why prices have gone up like this,” said Nicole Watelet, general secretary at the Federation of French Bakeries and Pastry Enterprises. “They think that someone is profiting from this. But it’s not us. We’re paying.” Food costs worldwide spiked 23 percent from 2006 to 2007, according to the FAO. Grains went up 42 percent, oils 50 percent and dairy 80 percent.

Economists say that for the short term, government bailouts will have to be part of the answer to keep unrest at a minimum. In recent weeks, rising food prices sparked riots in the West African nations of Burkina Faso, where mobs torched buildings, and Cameroon, where at least four people died.

But attempts to control prices in one country often have dire effects elsewhere. China’s restrictions on wheat flour exports resulted in a price spike in Indonesia this year, according to the FAO. Ukraine and Russia imposed export restrictions on wheat, causing tight supplies and higher prices for importing countries. Partly because of the cost of imported wheat, Peru’s military has begun eating bread made from potato flour, a native crop.

“We need a response on a large scale, either the regional or international level,” said Brian Halweil of the environmental research organization Worldwatch Institute. “All countries are tied enough to the world food markets that this is a global crisis.”

Poorer countries can speed up the adjustment by investing in agriculture, experts say. If they do, farmers can turn high prices into an engine for growth.

But in countries like Burkina Faso, the crisis is immediate.

Days after the riots, Pascaline Ouédraogo wandered the market in the capital, Ouagadougou, looking to buy meat and vegetables. She said a good meal cost 1,000 francs (about $2.35) not long ago. Now she needs twice that.

“The more prices go up, the less there is to meet their needs,” she said of her three children, all in secondary school. “You wonder if it’s the government or the businesses that are behind the price hikes.”

Irène Belem, a 25-year-old with twins, struggles to buy milk, which has gone up 57 percent in recent weeks.

“We knew we were poor before,” she said, “but now it’s worse than poverty.”

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Its really pretty simple. When prices are falling or stable, people buy only what they need when they need it, but when prices are ramping up people buy as much as they can now, knowing it'll cost more later.

This is a positive feedback into the supply and demand equation. Same with gasoline, people keep the tanks topped off figuring it cost even more if they wait to buy a full tank. Its a good part of the reason most businesses are cyclic.

Unfortunately it'll take a global recession to reverse the demand for commodities and reverse the upward price pressure.

I bought as much ammo and reloading components as I could possibly store, about two years ago. I'm shooting mostly reloads now to conserve my factory ammo, but at one point I was parking my car with cases of South African 7.62 covering the floor of the garage between the wheels.

Some of my stash came from Ammoman. I've nothing bad to say about his product or service.

--wally.
 
Chibajoe,
This thread was about ammo, not your opinion of the OP. How can you talk badly about him when you have only 18 posts and, most importantly have not had a problem with his service. Please hold your second hand remarks to yourself. Most of us appear to be satisfied with his product and service.

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I've made many bulk ammo purchases from ammoman. Good prices that frequently beat all others, great service, and I've always been treated fairly. I check their site out several times a month, and when I see a price I like, I stock up. They have saved me HUNDREDS of dollars over the years. Thank you www.ammoman.com
 
I too have purchased from Ammoman (Eric) & my stuff was delivered almost before the card charge went through. My only complaint is with myself for not buying 10 cases of 7.62x39 @ 85.00 delivered!!! :banghead:
 
Ammo is indeed flying out the door. Anything even remotely reasonable in price is hard to keep in stock. We are probably averaging about 100-150 cases a day just of XM193.

As for the stuff about ammo man. Figure he does a lot more business than us since he is better known to the General populace and not a wholesaler. So say he does 300-400 cases of ammo a day. SO far I have seen maybe a half dozen individual complaints. That is a pretty good success rate in my book. I know Eric isn't perfect but I would have to say he is a good guy and offers a great service.
 
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