Heads-Up If You CCW in Ohio - Video Is Up!

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I believe the applicable federal statute is 42 U.S.C. § 1983. Very nasty penalties if you're on the receiving end.
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That be the one. Escapes me how much Rodeny King got from his 42 U.S.C. § 1983 action.

The sad part is that the people of Canton will be paying the future judgement from their tax dollars.
 
Here in NC, another "duty to inform state," we are not technically required to notify until directly addressed by an officer. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to hold out. I probably would have notified the officer as he was illegally searching my back seat if I were in this situation. Legally, I don't think the driver did anything wrong; he could have been smarter though. He was definitely in a shady situation to begin with.

I think I'll take a detour as to avoid Canton next time a go up there to visit my dad.
 
Cosmoline: I have witnessed people in California try to talk over the police, and get the snot beat out of them. When they say "shut up", it only gets much worse for those who continue. Many people in the inner city neighborhoods especially are fearful of police for that reason. Despite that the cops deal with the problem children most of the time, some are actually decent folks. I'm not trying to stick up for goblins, but in this case it looks to me like this pair needs to sweep parking lots for a living instead.
One way to prevent this behavior is through an example: terminate thier employment, confiscate any pension, medical benifit, or any other civil service perk, civil judgement, totally wipe them out financially, AND THEN DO THE SAME TO THEIR SUPERVISOR! Id bet this type of behavior would be curtailed fast.
 
In NC, my CC instructor suggested we carry our permit behind our drivers license and give both to the officer when he asks for our driving license.
 
If you are on the fence after watching that, please re-watch!

Wow, That cop threatened everyone of those people, implied he would assault 1 of them, threatened execution of the other (After apparently throwing him in the car). Implied the other officer would falsify the report, etc. etc. If you dont think that guy was thinking the cop might just do it, your nuts! The other one would have watched it happen.

MAD! :fire: Will be Writing Governer, Rep. Etc!

Will also be following this and talking to others making sure this is out and discussed in Ohio.

Update: E-mails sent to Govenor and local news outlet, here in Central Ohio.
 
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I just watched the whole video. This bupkiss had better hope that someone like me isn't on the jury when HE goes to trial. In my opinion, the driver DID attempt on several occasions to inform that he was carrying. When he is told to SHUT UP, that slams the door on this charge for me. NOT GUILTY. Mr DA, you just try and convince me that he didn't make reasonable attempts to obey the law.

I also think that "duty to inform" is another example of a horridly badly written law (far too many are) because it is too vague in timeline. It's also apparent that while a legal requirement it is NOT necessary in a traffic stop. Far too late, the dispatcher indicates that the driver has a concealed carry license. Critical question: why wasn't this information made available IMMEDIATELY by the dispatcher? (Ironic, dispatcher informs the officers AFTER the permit holder does ... he's charged with failing to inform ... I hope the dispatcher has a damned good answer for not including that information initially).

Partolman Daniel Harless will be hoisted on his own petard: "This is a big responsibility and it appears that you can't do that ... Oh well, it's not my life."

Cantonites ... get out your wallets and start peeling off the bills 'cause it's gonna' be 'spensive!

PS ... I don't think much of his partner either. Maybe canning him might not be called for ... but he needs to go back to the "academy" and start at day one and learn how to be a police officer.

PPS ... I agree, this would make a PERFECT training video on how to not act when making a traffic stop.

PPPS ... Would ANY cop approach ANY vehicle without the assumption that the driver and passengers could be armed (legally or illegally)? How does he know that the vehicle isn't stolen but not yet reported as such? How does he know that ANYONE in the car has any legal right to be in it? How does he know that it's not only stolen, but that the occupants have just knocked over a 7-11 and killed the night manager? Previous poster put it right ... they're lucky to still be able to suck oxygen considering the ABSOLUTELY STUPID mistakes they made.
 
I want the cop to go away forever. Period.

They work for us, the tax payers. What if I reversed it and told the cop the same crap he spewed at the defendant, which is laughable that he is considered a defendant in the first place. Fry both of the cops' butts and lock 'em up.

This just seems like a microcosm of America today. An America that we need to take back.
 
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Why Is My Heart Hardening?

i've posted a comment in the jury award discussion. indulge me one more time for a few personal observations. After twenty-two years of military service that spanned a Cold War, the first Gulf War, and as a UN Weapons Inspection where a twenty something RG bolted and pointed an AK directly at me from 10 feet away as the inspection team I was a part of attempted to gain entry into a suspected WMD facility, something in my country and my heart is amiss. The Constitution, that amazing document of self government balancing the service and powers of government to the sovereignty and nobility of the common people is being shredded or has been shredded. This incident in Canton, Ohio, is just another of a long string (and probably getting longer) of incidents of police abuse caused from what I believe is a serious departure and loss of the concept of "public servant" to a public they serve but now embrace as the enemy. For the record, I can assure all here that my politics are solid conservative and solid Second Amendment. The sovereignty of our people are guaranteed by the right to check a rogue government by force of arms if the situation arises and I TRULY TRULY HOPE it never comes to that. Now retired ten years from military service, I still grieve in sorrow for every Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, and their families who return home in a transfer case. Conversely, as i read the stories and see the videos of police officers behaving poorly and outside the spirit and scope of the law, the anger mounts such that as police officers are slain in the line of duty, my sympathy and grief for them is no longer there. It's a heck of thing to state but it is nonetheless honest. And I think the law enforcement community needs to step back and take notice. It's one thing to dismiss the contempt that historically, the radical left has had for domestic law enforcement but if the LEO's are behaving in such a manner that they are losing the "hearts and minds" from folks like me (and I'm not the only one), something is truly truly amiss. The retort I will in all likelihood get back in response is "Officer Safety." A legitimate point to be sure but that point has been used to excess or say it another way, a lot of peanut butter has been made and gone rancid over that one. Police officers ARE NOT military any more than I was a police officer. What is in common however is both acts of service do have the ultimate risk and indemnity clause i.e. one can die in the performance of duty. We can reduce risk but will never completely bring it to nil. LEO's and soldiers are all volunteers. We all signed on the dotted line to have our jobs; NO ONE forced our hands. For 22 years, a big bullseye target was painted on my back and I accepted it. I accepted this OR I found another line of work. At the beginning of this post, I wanted to state that I too have faced some very stark situations where in a fraction of a second it takes to pull a trigger, I'd be going down myself. It's not a good feeling. But like the laws of war as prescribed by the Geneva Convention that I had to follow and comply, there is a Constitution that prescribes the measures and scope on how law and order is maintained and adjudicated. That's the document I swore to protect and defend WITH MY LIFE if need be. It's not too much to ask you LEO's to do the same. Cops behaving badly AND unlawfully. It's approaching critical mass and if things don't turn around, the law enforcement community is going to find itself with solutions imposed upon them that they're not going to like. But like Alexander Hamilton said to the foreign envoy at the infancy of the Republic, "Here sir, the people rule."
 
put these two "blue wonders" in jail with a 300+ pound bubba for a room mate and let the chips fall where they may.:eek:
 
Extremely well said DP,
The part of this that truly saddens me is the partner and the ensuing behavior of the department. The partner didn't seem to see that anything "wrong" was going on on the part of the Officer in question and the department's initial behavior was to try and make the case go away by "cutting a deal" with the victim. In both cases, it demonstrates an absolute lack of, both, personal and professional integrity.
I believe that Basic Constitutional Law should be a requirement of every law enforcement officer on the job. The fact that there are LEOs, DAs for hat matter, out there who are so focused on making a bust or case that they are willing to trample all over constitutional rights of the very American Citizens they are hired to protect makes me ill.
Like you, I took an oath to "Defend the Constitution of These United States against ALL enemies....Foreign and Domestic". Although I'm finished with my service contract these days, that oath does not carry an expiration date and I will take it with me to my last breath. I pray to God that there is never a time again in America's future where it turns into a shooting fight. I saw, first hand, what that did to the countries I went to war in and that is when the real kooks come out. I just want to find a way to get people, including guys like the officers involved in this incident, to learn the constitution and the freedoms she promises that they are supposed to be standing guard over.
What a demonstration of the sad state of our nation.
Pathetic.....shame on you Officer Harless. You should be removed from the force and be treated as the criminal you are. Nothing is more dangerous than an ignorant punk with a badge and gun.
I had the honor of serving with a hell of a lot of 18 and 19 year old kids during my time with the Corps who had a better understanding of what professional bearing and demeanor were all about.
Sad.
Doc
 
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No one can watch this video and honestly say the driver wasn’t engaging in something questionable any more so than anyone can say definitively he was doing something illegal.
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"questionable"?
Being stopped for a moment in a "no parking" zone is hardly probable cause.
How does anyone know the victim was there longer than needed to drop off his friend and his friend's date? A reasonable person would see that and assume "designated driver making drop-off" ... but instead we get a little tantrum, an illegal search, and all in the name of some nanny-state "crimes" with no victims.
I don't care about prostitution (slavery and human trafficking I DO care about, but that's a seperate matter), and being near someone alleged to be a prostitute by an unreliable source of information is hardly a crime.
I don't care about "illegal drugs" - those problems are from the black market, not the end users, and they don't justify the endless 4a violations.

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Officer Authoriah there needs to be hauled into jail for the violent felony of assault. His partner is at a minimum an accessory, I'd call him an accomplice. His department should be penalized for putting such a dangerous person "out on the street". Whoever trained him needs a major evaluation, as well.

These actions wouldn't be acceptable if he were stopping someone for a real crime, I didn't believe that there was no exaggerating until I saw the video. I'll be posting it everywhere I can and drawing attention to it.

Obviously the police cannot be trusted with the CHL information, either through their dispatch or via "duty to inform". While there might be a few cops who can be trusted with such information, not a damn one of them need it, and thus none should get it in the first place. Perhaps an OC rally in front of the Canton po-po hangout would remind them of the large number of armed citizens?
 
DarthPaddy said:
i've posted a comment in the jury award discussion. indulge me one more time for a few personal observations. After twenty-two years of military service that spanned a Cold War, the first Gulf War, and as a UN Weapons Inspection where a twenty something RG bolted and pointed an AK directly at me from 10 feet away as the inspection team I was a part of attempted to gain entry into a suspected WMD facility, something in my country and my heart is amiss. The Constitution, that amazing document of self government balancing the service and powers of government to the sovereignty and nobility of the common people is being shredded or has been shredded. This incident in Canton, Ohio, is just another of a long string (and probably getting longer) of incidents of police abuse caused from what I believe is a serious departure and loss of the concept of "public servant" to a public they serve but now embrace as the enemy. For the record, I can assure all here that my politics are solid conservative and solid Second Amendment. The sovereignty of our people are guaranteed by the right to check a rogue government by force of arms if the situation arises and I TRULY TRULY HOPE it never comes to that. Now retired ten years from military service, I still grieve in sorrow for every Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, and their families who return home in a transfer case. Conversely, as i read the stories and see the videos of police officers behaving poorly and outside the spirit and scope of the law, the anger mounts such that as police officers are slain in the line of duty, my sympathy and grief for them is no longer there. It's a heck of thing to state but it is nonetheless honest. And I think the law enforcement community needs to step back and take notice. It's one thing to dismiss the contempt that historically, the radical left has had for domestic law enforcement but if the LEO's are behaving in such a manner that they are losing the "hearts and minds" from folks like me (and I'm not the only one), something is truly truly amiss. The retort I will in all likelihood get back in response is "Officer Safety." A legitimate point to be sure but that point has been used to excess or say it another way, a lot of peanut butter has been made and gone rancid over that one. Police officers ARE NOT military any more than I was a police officer. What is in common however is both acts of service do have the ultimate risk and indemnity clause i.e. one can die in the performance of duty. We can reduce risk but will never completely bring it to nil. LEO's and soldiers are all volunteers. We all signed on the dotted line to have our jobs; NO ONE forced our hands. For 22 years, a big bullseye target was painted on my back and I accepted it. I accepted this OR I found another line of work. At the beginning of this post, I wanted to state that I too have faced some very stark situations where in a fraction of a second it takes to pull a trigger, I'd be going down myself. It's not a good feeling. But like the laws of war as prescribed by the Geneva Convention that I had to follow and comply, there is a Constitution that prescribes the measures and scope on how law and order is maintained and adjudicated. That's the document I swore to protect and defend WITH MY LIFE if need be. It's not too much to ask you LEO's to do the same. Cops behaving badly AND unlawfully. It's approaching critical mass and if things don't turn around, the law enforcement community is going to find itself with solutions imposed upon them that they're not going to like. But like Alexander Hamilton said to the foreign envoy at the infancy of the Republic, "Here sir, the people rule."
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Here here and THANK YOU for your honorable service, sir!!

I'll add... oathkeepers.org
 
Good lord, what a shameful pair of officers. The lead officer needs to be wearing an orange jumpsuit with a number stenciled on it and the partner at least needs extensive retraining for failing to get the lead officer to stand down.

This garbage hurts the profession.
 
Texas is another "duty to inform" state. In the CHL course, we were told that the best and most effective means of informing is to hand over your concealed carry license along with your driver's license. If the officer then asks, "Are you armed?", then at that point tell him where the gun is.
 
Wow, that was hard to watch. That cop was way out of line and needs to loose his job and more. I did, however, feel bad for him. He made several mistakes, and realized it when he found that the driver had a gun. It scared him, big time. And he, wrongly, took it all out on the driver. He mentioned how he had stuck his head in the car. He knew he had left himself very vurnerable and should have taken more precautions.

And the driver, having this happen a month after getting his permit... bummer!

I'm grateful Iowa doesn't have any duty to notify. It seems like such a dumb law. If a person intends to do harm to the officer is he going to follow the law? I hope an officer would never feel more secure after an unsearched person didn't report that they had a gun on them!!!
 
I keep my CHL sandwiched on top of my ODL... if for some reason I'm stupid enough to get pulled over (it's been many many years) it'll be the first thing the Officer sees.
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Unfortunately, that's NOT considered sufficient "notification" in Ohio.

You must "promptly" and VERBALLY announce that you have a CHL and are armed. "Promptly" is of course NOT defined in the law.
 
Absolutely amazing. I don't understand why police departments don't IMMEDIATELY deal with these characters. In Seattle there have been many charges against police officers and nothing seems to happen. It just creates more distrust from the civilians and makes it harder for the officers to do their jobs. Bad all around for everyone involved.
 
I don't think this is the kind of national publicity the town fathers of Canton, OH want.

Congrats, fellas.

You kept this scumbag on the job for 14 years, raging at people. I'm sure his fellow officers knew of Harless' penchant for threatening to beat people and kill people, yet they did nothing.

His partner made ZERO effort to calm him down. For that, he shares in the official misconduct.

Canton's residents will probably eat a tax hike as a result of Daniel Harless' behavior.

And the victim in this: I see a brand new car and house out of the deal. And probably enough money left over to retire on immediately if he lives modestly for the rest of his life.

John
 
Canton's residents will probably eat a tax hike as a result of Daniel Harless' behavior.
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Don't be so sure. There IS an alternative.

The residents of Parma, Ohio got fed up with a seemingly endless series of stories about Parma cops, not beating people, but stealing through various pay and benefits related acts of fraud.

So they just stopped passing bond issues to fund the police.

If you're a Canton cop and get laid off cause nobody wants to pay for these kinds of antics anymore, stop by your buddy Harless's house and tell him how grateful you are for all the time you have now to spend with the wife and kids...
 
I can just see the new signs greeting visitors at the city limits:
Welcome to Canton
The Home of the Football Hall of Fame​
and
The Police Hall of Shame​
 
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