Hearing protection act

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Well even though I don't own any sound suppression implements I'm all for the Hearing Protection Act. Whether it has a chance of passage or not, at least it's a very proactive step in the right direction for getting suppressors out of the NFA's domain.
 
Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with earmuffs?

There are certain tactical situations where standard earmuffs are a liability. Home defense, for example. I would rather have a suppressor than diminish one of my five senses.

That being said, touching off a 9mm +P in a stairwell isn't going to be a pleasant experience for my ears with or without the suppressor. But one would help.
 
Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with earmuffs?
Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with pointless and backward federal restrictions on an item which carry enormous penalties and jail time for any violation, and which deliberately make a tool more dangerous and obnoxious to use?

Yeah, what's wrong with that?
 
KansasSasquatch not to mention having to get permission to cross state lines with it.
You do not need permission to cross state lines with silencers/suppressors.
 
It was mentioned earlier that we should compromise. This Bill is a compromise. It maintains the background check to purchase a suppressor. Suppressors should be handled the same way a muzzle brake, scope rings or any other accessory is, but we should take notes on how the anti-2A folks have gone about gun restrictions...little by little...one step at a time.

Push hard on your elected representatives and be patient. Keep at it; it took a couple years of hard work to get my State to allow the use of suppressors for hunting. Also, if you live in a State that allows suppressors, if you have the spare funds go by one, fill out the nfa paperwork and get to shooting it. The more people that have them, the more normal they will be.
 
It might very well be a tough road to making this happen. However, the more publicity this gets, and the more people that back it. The more likely we are to see it through. So share it with your friends, and share it with others you know in the shooting community.
 
It's good timing. It raises the issue and lets the politicians line up on the subject with a vote. That puts them pro or con on it just in time for their reelection, which adds fuel to the debate in their local area.

I support it - and don't expect it to pass. This time. I support National Reciprocity, too, even tho that means a same sex couple with a marriage license from a permissive state gets the same rights in others.

I support the use of muffs more - they suppress my neighbors guns who won't get a silencer. But it's not the debate here.

I DON'T support the concept that a NICS check should be done at the point of sale. That introduces a concept we are already adamantly opposed to - that we have an infringement on our right to keep and bear arms. We do it to prevent those who have broken the law from purchasing firearms, but it's a blanket approach that doesn't respect the rights of some. Unjustifiably in some cases. It puts the purchase of a gun part on the same plane as a serial numbered receiver - it's a concession to the anti gun crowd and on principal gives way to their agenda. OMG (wringing his hands) where will it all stop!

It's a politically expedient thing, tho, to placate those who would and will oppose it anyway. We already accept having CCW licenses, some states are turning it around, it's better to buy silencers off the shelf with nothing more than a NICS check than what we are restrictively kept from doing now.

I will still keep using ear muffs - but the suppressor would be nice to have. Especially seeing the prices on good ones fall moderately. :rolleyes: The expansion of production and return on the dollar with less expense for hearing compensation alone with help lower health care costs.

It will also propel the use of suppressors on more soldier's weapons, because the politics of it is what holds up their deployment. Command is too career oriented to make waves in soldier care to do it.

Don't expect the VA to back it, which should point out how screwed up they are.
 
Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with pointless and backward federal restrictions on an item which carry enormous penalties and jail time for any violation, and which deliberately make a tool more dangerous and obnoxious to use?

Yeah, what's wrong with that?

Ohhhhh....I dunno...given that the silencer is the tool of the assassin and the murderer...not much I suppose.

You and I differ....you assume a law has no purpose, whereas I assume that something in the past happened to cause that law to be written in the first place.
 
Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with earmuffs?

ever shoot a rifle indoors?.......ever stand next to someone shooting a rifle indoors?......

even muffs with plugs are not enough to stop your ears ringing.

Ohhhhh....I dunno...given that the silencer is the tool of the assassin and the murderer...not much I suppose.

Bwahahahaha....dude are you for real?.....name one "assassin" that has ever used a silencer?.....name one murder that has ever involved a silencer?

or are you just taking your facts from the movies?
 
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Ohhhhh....I dunno...given that the silencer is the tool of the assassin and the murderer...not much I suppose.

You and I differ....you assume a law has no purpose, whereas I assume that something in the past happened to cause that law to be written in the first place.
oh, Alaskan...

You could say those *exact* same words for Semi Autos, or better yet: firearms in general...

Wait... That's what some people do say...

Just like "guns are only used to kill." sound familiar?
 
It seems reasonable to me that from a public health perspective this legislation deserves thoughtful consideration.

According to the Hearing Health Foundation http://hearinghealthfoundation.org/statistics over 60% of vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan are suffering tinnitus and/or hearing loss.

And those suffering even minor hearing loss are more than twice as likely to develop dementia.

Add to that all of us that have served from Nam through today and you've got big numbers.

IT's probably way past time to address this as the issue that it is. Safety and Public Health.
 
There is a big push in DoD to suppress all small arms, in part due to the $2B+ the VA pays out in hearing loss disability payments. Given a good fraction of that hearing loss can be attributed to jet noise, loud engines, etc.
 
So because it's of no benefit to you, do you not support the legislation?

It can, and has changed at the state level. Suppressors were illegal in my state only a few years ago. Today, we have full NFA allowance.
I never said I didn't support the legislation. I do hope it passes.

What state are you in? How exactly is the law in your state worded? It seems to me most states would follow. Though it's possible if the Feds no longer require stamps, they will suddenly be illegal in some states if the wording of the state law requires the suppressor to be registered with the Feds.
I live in RI. This is the statute:
§ 11-47-20 Sale or possession of silencers. – It shall be unlawful within this state to manufacture, sell, purchase, or possess any muffler, silencer, or device for deadening or muffling the sound of a firearm when discharged. Violations of this section shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one year and one day.

History of Section.
(P.L. 1927, ch. 1052, § 8; G.L. 1938, ch. 404, § 8; G.L. 1956, § 11-47-14; G.L. 1956, § 11-47-20; P.L. 1959, ch. 75, § 1.)

Hopefully if the federal law changes, RI will follow suit, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Get rid of the $200 Tax Stamp and the long waiting period to get it and you will still be paying $400-$500 for about $20 worth of tubing and washers.......:cuss:
 
Get rid of the $200 Tax Stamp and the long waiting period to get it and you will still be paying $400-$500 for about $20 worth of tubing and washers.......
But then they could be improvised without fear of prosecution, too.
 
I really want this to go down. It would give me the perfect reason to really start reloading. Not sure how effective a subsonic round would be out of an AK. But I damn sure wanna try it.
 
Get rid of the $200 Tax Stamp and the long waiting period to get it and you will still be paying $400-$500 for about $20 worth of tubing and washers......

Without the tax stamp and waiting period and other crazy restrictions they will be cheaper to make and sell. Also the market will grow for silencers causing prices to drop and more companies will start making them which means more competition, which means better silencers for less money. That sounds pretty good to me.
 
Without the tax stamp and waiting period and other crazy restrictions they will be cheaper to make and sell. Also the market will grow for silencers causing prices to drop and more companies will start making them which means more competition, which means better silencers for less money. That sounds pretty good to me.
I could see without regulation suppressors easily being 200 dollar items... Even less.. We could make our own too!
 
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