Heller Oral Arguments Discussion

[Wineoceros]

Many of Breyer's questions are bordering on the silly.

 

[Animal Mother]

crud... city and states given leeway..

Just Breyer's (?) opinion. And a minority opinion at that.

 

[SWMAN]

Breyer may be going towards a collective militia, no right for self defense in the olde days.

 

[skidmark]

Only 2 out of 13 states mention self defense as a condition of bearing arms in therir constitutions.

Is self defense an individual right?

****! What happened to "Life, Liberty, and the Perfuit of Happiness"?

stay safe.

skidmark

 

[TexasRifleman]

I don't mind him FOCUSING on handguns, but there is no need to throw out machine guns. Push it aside, but not over the cliff.

That's not what happened here. 2 sentences later he took the alternate path when talking about Miller.

Listen to what the Justices are saying in regards to handguns. Breyer himself took after handguns because they were not "of a type in use" by the military.

His own words can be used against him regarding MGs if we ever get a case to that point.

Machine guns are not relevant here, as much as we'd like them to be.

 

[Spartacus451]

Gura says pistols were not considered "firearms" in revolutionary era Boston.

Well great. Doesn't that mean they aren't protected? Didn't seem like a good factoid to throw out there. I wish I could listen in or get a transcript.

1:41
Gura says a better approach is to require storage in a safe.p

In Mass we have safe storage laws. Not good!

 

[axeman_g]

go ... go .. go on self defense.

 

[ctdonath]

Transcript will be available, probably today, at http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts.html

 

[Lichter]

Quote:
Gura says pistols were not considered "firearms" in revolutionary era Boston.

Well great. Doesn't that mean they aren't protected? Didn't seem like a good factoid to throw out there.

Making a point that pistols were always called pistols to rebut the Boston firecodes

 

[Augustwest]

Ugh. Licensing is ok in our guy's view.

 

[woerm]

Ginsburg just lost my cheers

'Wouldn't licensing be ok'

What standards would be reasonable?

what a load of bs

what licensing would she require to write letters to the editor?

 

[Thumper]

Listen to TexasRifleman...he's right.

 

[cmb3366]

Cant say I like where Gura is going on Licensing and triggerlocks. Likewise, I dont like how he framed his comparison of pistols to machineguns. He started off strong, but it seems like he's backpeddling to the 'moderate' side.

 

[Vibe]

Gura (Hellers attorney) is not helping. But it sounds like the majority of judges are on the side of the 2nd as we (on this board) know it.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Licensing is ok?

 

[vis-à-vis]

Our guy is pissing me off.

 

[Animal Mother]

reasonably infringed!

What?

Licensing!

What?

What is Gura agreeing to?!!!?

 

[romma]

Boy, both sides have hammered themselves.

 

[axeman_g]

boy does listening to this make me feel really undeducated and stupid.

 

[ZeSpectre]

I wish I knew who the hell was saying what <grrrrrr>.

 

[Guitargod1985]

Listening to some of these arguments makes me sick.

 

[Deavis]

Gura is very good.

I disagree, he is not very dynamic. He could have owned the court on the MG if he had used the SG's argument rather than falling back on his weak points from his brief. He didn't do a good job of pushing the argument in the direction he wanted to go and isn't thinking well on his feet.

 

[wolf13]

He appears to trying to please everyone. Kind of disappointing.

 

[TexasRifleman]

What exactly did you think was going to happen?

It's more important to listen to the questioning of the Justices here.

They are not tearing into Gura anywhere close to how they did Dellinger.

Remember also that the Justices questions are not at all a good predictor of what they are really thinking.

Dellinger is back up now. Gura didn't do that bad really. Dellinger is going to go off on trigger locks and stupidity so be happy

10 seconds into his closing and they are on his ass again

 

[BlisteringSilence]

well, now that we're away from machine guns and licensing, and back to handguns, the arguments are going much better. Thank god. That was getting a little scary there for a minute.